Context, not the hang all question in this case, could be written as a question?
Context, not the hang all question in this case, could be written as a question?I am willing to consider that, but when someone writes ‘I killed them’ and is seen near a baby who suddenly declines to death, what is the most likely explanation?
One of the central themes of the article is the tendency to look for a compelling, coherent and obvious explanation for something horrific and often unexplainable.I am willing to consider that, but when someone writes ‘I killed them’ and is seen near a baby who suddenly declines to death, what is the most likely explanation?
The prosecution claimed she may have used a plastic medical tube to injure one of the babies: Lucy Letby trial: Medical tool may have injured baby, expert saysDidn’t she shove plastic objects down some of the victims throats and take photos when they were dead?
Which is why having someone qualified to do so scrutinise all of the medical evidence is the best chance we have of an answer. And if they find very high insulin levels, air injections and so on, are we to believe those appeared on their own?One of the central themes of the article is the tendency to look for a compelling, coherent and obvious explanation for something horrific and often unexplainable.
The defence argued that her writing those words was the stream-of-consciousness ramblings of an overworked nurse crumbling under the pressure of trauma and suspicion from her superiors; the prosecution argued they were a confession. It takes more than just the narrative making sense in one’s mind to determine which is closer to the truth.
The article goes over the discrepancies with the high insulin levels - and the feasibility of whether it could be used to murder a baby - in detail, citing multiple medical experts.Which is why having someone qualified to do so scrutinise all of the medical evidence is the best chance we have of an answer. And if they find very high insulin levels, air injections and so on, are we to believe those appeared on their own?
It at least needs looking at again. Maybe someone like Inside JusticeThe article goes over the discrepancies with the high insulin levels - and the feasibility of whether it could be used to murder a baby - in detail, citing multiple medical experts.
The article is most interesting to me not because it provides a smoking gun to her guilt/innocence, but because it casts so much doubt on a story that the media would have you believe was sewn up long ago.It at least needs looking at again. Maybe someone like Inside Justice
Given that this ‘brief’ piece is longer than a full dissertation, I’ll read it more in detail later in the week.The article goes over the discrepancies with the high insulin levels - and the feasibility of whether it could be used to murder a baby - in detail, citing multiple medical experts.
I certainly don't think there is any harm at all in going over the case. Be nice to know that justice was indeed served.Given that this ‘brief’ piece is longer than a full dissertation, I’ll read it more in detail later in the week.
What’s my agenda?Imagine the shock of SBT promoting the article, despite a police investigation, a legal process, expert medical witnesses and 12 peers of a jury having drawn conclusions over a lengthy and complex trial.
I'm sure it's well meaning and well written, I might even read and digest it later, but this surely can't be taken as evidential and must be simply 'another side' taken at face value only.
Absolutely no agenda here at all.
11 peers in the and 10-1 majorityImagine the shock of SBT promoting the article, despite a police investigation, a legal process, expert medical witnesses and 12 peers of a jury having drawn conclusions over a lengthy and complex trial.
I'm sure it's well meaning and well written, I might even read and digest it later, but this surely can't be taken as evidential and must be simply 'another side' taken at face value only.
Absolutely no agenda here at all.
It would take a lot for me to be convinced that she didn’t do it but willing to hear the arguments.I certainly don't think there is any harm at all in going over the case. Be nice to know that justice was indeed served.
Yes. Same here.It would take a lot for me to be convinced that she didn’t do it but willing to hear the arguments.
Not at all, I'll read when I can, I'm at work. Merely pointing out your stance to be on the side of your profession yet again.What’s my agenda?
Bizarrely dismissive thing to say given you openly admit to not even trying to read the piece. I’m glad you have that much faith in the justice system though!
Yes. Same here.
But the British justice system does worry me at times. Just think it's worth someone going over this with a fine toothed comb.
To be on the side of my profession? The idea that I would take “sides” with a woman convicted of murdering children out of some weird loyalty to a journalist I’ve never met is pretty ridiculous - go back and look at the posts I’ve made questioning the media’s coverage of this case to date.Not at all, I'll read when I can, I'm at work. Merely pointing out your stance to be on the side of your profession yet again.
Fwiw I do have faith in the justice system and certainly over some overseas hack.
Not just thatBased on 1 aticle?
Whether or not this ends up as one of them, there are all kinds of examples of miscarriages of justice being exposed by individual pieces of journalism.Based on 1 aticle?
Thank godWhether or not this ends up as one of them, there are all kinds of examples of miscarriages of justice being exposed by individual pieces of journalism.
The abject loss of balance is interesting in the mediaWhether or not this ends up as one of them, there are all kinds of examples of miscarriages of justice being exposed by individual pieces of journalism.
So HER side basically and a convicted criminal not wanting justice to be served. Who would have thought?Not just that
Her friends and family opinions
Her lack of admission of guilt
Her immediate appeal
Her support from many fellow employees
Nope not blaming the justice system noSo HER side basically and a convicted criminal not wanting justice to be served. Who would have thought?
Yeah sure let her out, in fact give her the same job and then you can explain to the next set of parents ...
Of all the coincidences, yet didn't happen to others on shifts when she wasn't around and I think we may have heard if it had it continued to happen since she stopped working there, but sure let's blame the justice system.
Not just that
Her friends and family opinions
Her lack of admission of guilt
Her immediate appeal
Her support from many fellow employees
GreatAll that applies to Ted Bundy
Great
I am making no comment on her guilt before anyone jumps on meOne of the central themes of the article is the tendency to look for a compelling, coherent and obvious explanation for something horrific and often unexplainable.
The defence argued that her writing those words was the stream-of-consciousness ramblings of an overworked nurse crumbling under the pressure of trauma and suspicion from her superiors; the prosecution argued they were a confession. It takes more than just the narrative making sense in one’s mind to determine which is closer to the truth.
That’s rightI am making no comment on her guilt before anyone jumps on me
What you describe basically did happen in the Lucia De Berk case in The Netherlands.
That’s right
OkThe main factor that contributed to her being found guilty was the matrix that showed she was the only one present at every death and that during her time at the unit deaths has multiplied exponentially
She also falsified medical records
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