Did you read the article?How else can one account for babies having been found injected with air if not done so to them?
Did you read all of the medical evidence?Did you read the article?
I don’t think anyone on here hasDid you read all of the medical evidence?
Fuckin hell!!!
The argument in the article says there wasn’t any evidence of it other than the crashing and death of the baby involvedHow else can one account for babies having been found injected with air if not done so to them?
Doesn't take much to win you over. A short piece by a writer at the New Yorker. I suspect those in the court room had a bit more to go off.The argument in the article says there wasn’t any evidence of it other than the crashing and death of the baby involved
My mum had a baby in 1969 or so that was born weighing 4lbs, his lungs hadn’t fully developed and he died after 5 days
We recently marked his death where he had been buried in another persons grave almost 50 years later
These babies were hugely vulnerable it appears sometimes we just don’t know
I have no idea and won’t ever have read enough to know if she was guilty or not but beyond reasonable doubt is the measure not balance of probabilities and this has put that level of doubt in my mind
It’s a good well reasoned and logical article
A short piece?Doesn't take much to win you over. A short piece by a writer at the New Yorker. I suspect those in the court room had a bit more to go off.
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You’ve not read it have you?Doesn't take much to win you over. A short piece by a writer at the New Yorker. I suspect those in the court room had a bit more to go off.
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Well ok sorry, a short piece in relative terms compared to how this would have been combed over in the courts.A short piece?
Enough for you to decide you want her released?You’ve not read it have you?
They had much much more to go on yes
Fuckin hell!!!
Hope the hang them and throw away the key people have a read
Have no doubt in my mind that beyond reasonable doubt has not been met and an appeal will be successful at some point maybe the next one or decades from now
Thanks for sharing
It’s a deeply reported piece, with dozens of interviews with hospital administrators, former colleagues, medical experts, and key figures from the prosecution and the defence. It will have taken months if not years to put together, and The New Yorker’s approach to fact checking is notoriously rigorous, especially with a story like this.Well ok sorry, a short piece in relative terms compared to how this would have been combed over in the courts.
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It’s a deeply reported piece, with dozens of interviews with hospital administrators, former colleagues, medical experts, and key figures from the prosecution and the defence. It will have taken months if not years to put together, and The New Yorker’s approach to fact checking is notoriously rigorous, especially with a story like this.
I don’t really understand the defensiveness, or the implicit trust in the UK legal system. I’d give it a read first.
It’s a deeply reported piece, with dozens of interviews with hospital administrators, former colleagues, medical experts, and key figures from the prosecution and the defence. It will have taken months if not years to put together, and The New Yorker’s approach to fact checking is notoriously rigorous, especially with a story like this.
I don’t really understand the defensiveness, or the implicit trust in the UK legal system. I’d give it a read first.
It’s nothing to do with meEnough for you to decide you want her released?
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What’s that got to do with it?The trial lasted for over a year. It also took rather a long time to put together.
What’s your point?The trial lasted for over a year. It also took rather a long time to put together.
The journalist (it’s a woman btw) is openly critical of the sensationalist coverage of murder trials in the article, which I assume you’ve read. This is The New Yorker, not a Netflix series. She seems to have spoken to many of the key players involved in the case, including some of the key prosecution witnesses on the record.Possibility 1: Random journalist and his mates in the US have found serious problems with court and medical procedures in the UK
Possibility 2: Random journalist and his mates in the US have half the story and write sensationalist article based on not much in continuation of a trend of popular miscarriage of justice podcasts of questionable quality.
What’s your point?
The journalist (it’s a woman btw) is openly critical of the sensationalist coverage of murder trials in the article, which I assume you’ve read. This is The New Yorker, not a Netflix series. She seems to have spoken to many of the key players involved in the case, including some of the key prosecution witnesses on the record.
I didn’t post it as irrefutable proof of her innocence, but again, I’m not sure why the defensiveness.
I think I saw it’s 13,000 words - it’s not a short article by any journalistic or academic standard.You were questioning it’s a short article. It is
If Nick is concerned about the legal implications then I’ll happily remove the link.You aren’t even supposed to have posted it
The journalist (it’s a woman btw) is openly critical of the sensationalist coverage of murder trials in the article, which I assume you’ve read. This is The New Yorker, not a Netflix series. She seems to have spoken to many of the key players involved in the case, including some of the key prosecution witnesses on the record.
I didn’t post it as irrefutable proof of her innocence, but again, I’m not sure why the defensiveness.
What was the bit around the stomach,was it in reference to that?I can’t imagine any doctor of merit would dismiss an air embolism as something that would just make a baby “throw up”. A friend of mine had one after a diving accident meaning he had to go in a decompression chamber. Don’t recall if he got the embolism from the incident itself or the decompression chamber but the short of it was he had a stroke because the embolism reached his brain. He was a very fit and healthy 30 something at the time and still couldn’t fully recover, some 20 years later he still has a gap in his field of vision which prevents him from being able to hold a driving licence. If an air embolism can do that to a fully developed fit and healthy adult I’m not sure how you can take a doctor seriously if they’re saying that in a a still developing vulnerable new born baby it will do no more than make them vomit.
I don’t see why the nationalities are that relevant here.Well then I’m not sure why the defensiveness with this journalist.
Once you cut past the heart string tugging it’s basically “her defence and friends and family don’t believe it, everyone says she was lovely, here’s some US doctors with no familiarity of the case who say the UK healthcare system sucks and these experts don’t know their arse from their elbow”
When specifically challenged on this point the response isn’t “yeah there could be things I’ve missed” but “ I my mates said they can’t think of any other reasons”.
It hangs on the assumption that everyone is corrupt, incompetent, and that we’re all a bunch of backwards yokels who wouldn’t get work as a vet in the US. That last bit may account for some of the defensiveness you’re seeing.
I am willing to consider that, but when someone writes ‘I killed them’ and is seen near a baby who suddenly declines to death, what is the most likely explanation?The argument in the article says there wasn’t any evidence of it other than the crashing and death of the baby involved
My mum had a baby in 1969 or so that was born weighing 4lbs, his lungs hadn’t fully developed and he died after 5 days
We recently marked his death where he had been buried in another persons grave almost 50 years later
These babies were hugely vulnerable it appears sometimes we just don’t know
I have no idea and won’t ever have read enough to know if she was guilty or not but beyond reasonable doubt is the measure not balance of probabilities and this has put that level of doubt in my mind
It’s a good well reasoned and logical article
Also, there’s a grand total of one US doctor quoted in the piece (well, South African, but working at Harvard) and he doesn’t talk about the UK healthcare system at all.Once you cut past the heart string tugging it’s basically “her defence and friends and family don’t believe it, everyone says she was lovely, here’s some US doctors with no familiarity of the case who say the UK healthcare system sucks and these experts don’t know their arse from their elbow”
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