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Lowest Ever Coventry City Attendance? (3 Viewers)

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  • Start date Dec 14, 2013
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Grendel

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  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #106
Astute said:
We all know that they thought the attendances would be much higher than the highest so far at the worst. So they are having to find more money each week. If they want to hold out for a few years they will have to find a lot more money than expected. This gives us a much better chance of them coming to some sort of agreement.
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The additional losses are minimal in comparison to the whole.
If they sell one player in January, either for a fee or a big wage earner, that will mitigate the shortfall.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #107
Grendel said:
The additional losses are minimal in comparison to the whole.
If they sell one player in January, either for a fee or a big wage earner, that will mitigate the shortfall.
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Great!!
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #108
There are no big wage earners left bar the ones on the board but can't see them going.


Grendel said:
The additional losses are minimal in comparison to the whole.
If they sell one player in January, either for a fee or a big wage earner, that will mitigate the shortfall.
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diggerdaley

New Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #109
If sisu are'nt concerned about gate money why charge at all,let everybody in for b*gger all,I think in the cup the gate is shared so they won't make much that night.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #110
mrtrench said:
I disagree. Why do you think that zero attendance would be any different to 1,000? From a publicity standpoint certainly it would be a big news item. Emotionally too for the fans.

However I don't believe that either of these things would influence SISU at all. Their only driver is money, and the difference between £10k and £0 for an attendance is small potatoes compared to the £30mm they hope to get by getting the Ricoh and land.
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Well that's it. From a publicity point of view it would really get notice and keep the pot boiling if no fans turned up at all. And if the owners were receiving just about no revenue at all then I believe that would have a really big impact.

The club have budgeted for a loss. They will not have budgeted for no City fans at all turning up though. It always makes a very bold statement that the fans are totally united in their disagreement with the move. 100% unity.

The way things are at the moment the owners are clinging on to the hope that if the team starts doing really well the attendances will build again.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #111
The problem is, the sign of absence can be interpreted as apathy...
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #112
Deleted member 5849 said:
The problem is, the sign of absence can be interpreted as apathy...
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Well that would also be pretty accurate, and that is the long term problem we face.
 

ohitsaidwalker king power

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #113
Deleted member 5849 said:
The problem is, the sign of absence can be interpreted as apathy...
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Whereas by some, attendance (on the Hill) can be intepreted as a glory seeking waste of time for ones own self interest...?
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

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  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #114
Deleted member 5849 said:
The problem is, the sign of absence can be interpreted as apathy...
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Which is why the away following at MK - which I know you were uncomfortable with for very valid reasons - was such an important statement.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #115
DazzleTommyDazzle said:
Which is why the away following at MK - which I know you were uncomfortable with for very valid reasons - was such an important statement.
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Why it'd have been better targeted somewhere other than MK however, as you hint at!

Combine the two together, and the messages sent out are dangerously closeto encouraging a path of total destruction.
 

ohitsaidwalker king power

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  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #116
Deleted member 5849 said:
Why it'd have been better targeted somewhere other than MK however, as you hint at!

Combine the two together, and the messages sent out are dangerously closeto encouraging a path of total destruction.
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Too late I fear...SISU have already negotiated that.
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #117
Deleted member 5849 said:
Why it'd have been better targeted somewhere other than MK however, as you hint at!

Combine the two together, and the messages sent out are dangerously closeto encouraging a path of total destruction.
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I'm with you on the theory, but there are few other options that offer the combination of capacity and geography - and I do believe that the message has been very positively received (IMO, no coincidence about the timing of national press interest).
 

Otis

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  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #118
Deleted member 5849 said:
The problem is, the sign of absence can be interpreted as apathy...
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Which is why I wouldn't advocate it as a global policy. I would be looking to target a few 'home' games for non-attendance.

On non-attendance days we should drive around Coventry in convoy at 10 mph bringing traffic around the city centre to a standstill.
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #119
Deleted member 5849 said:
The problem is, the sign of absence can be interpreted as apathy...
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Just as attendance can be interpreted as blind ignorance.

Just because it's football doesn't mean a fan can't vote with their feet! That is not apathy it's freedom of choice, the right to be to have value for money and receive a certain level of entertainment.

Football does receive a high level of brand loyalty. However the people running the sport and the clubs have taken this for granted over the years. Today's game is over priced, over exposed and the players over priced and over paid.

I asked a Man U fan I know why he wasn't going to Villa today. Good excuse to rib a United fan......£42.00 a ticket simple as that.

This person is a genuine football fan, who loves the sport and follows it avidly and an ex Man U season ticket holder. I wouldn't describe him as apathetic...just got different commitments in his life now.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #120
mrtrench said:
I disagree. Why do you think that zero attendance would be any different to 1,000? From a publicity standpoint certainly it would be a big news item. Emotionally too for the fans.

However I don't believe that either of these things would influence SISU at all. Their only driver is money, and the difference between £10k and £0 for an attendance is small potatoes compared to the £30mm they hope to get by getting the Ricoh and land.
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it would get their attention if nothing else, much like the guardian article.

there will be a response of some sort, what that response will be? who knows.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #121
Hobo said:
Just because it's football doesn't mean a fan can't vote with their feet! That is not apathy it's freedom of choice, the right to be to have value for money and receive a certain level of entertainment.
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It is, but to just look at the messages sent out from a desired viewpoint, as opposed to messages received elsewhere, is a dangerous game.

Plurality of meaning, and all that.
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #122
Deleted member 5849 said:
Why it'd have been better targeted somewhere other than MK however, as you hint at!

Combine the two together, and the messages sent out are dangerously closeto encouraging a path of total destruction.
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Where else gives out a 7k allocation?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #123
bigfatronssba said:
Where else gives out a 7k allocation?
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...so it's all about the numbers?
 

ohitsaidwalker king power

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #124
Deleted member 5849 said:
...so it's all about the numbers?
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In the context of the point most Sky Blues were trying to make.. YES.

You over analyse the intentions.. most travelled to give a very clear 2 fingered salute to SISU/OTIUM or whatever title they adorn themselves these days- there was no other. Talk of moral compass alignment to Winklemans abhorrent tactics are misguided.
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #125
Deleted member 5849 said:
It is, but to just look at the messages sent out from a desired viewpoint, as opposed to messages received elsewhere, is a dangerous game.

Plurality of meaning, and all that.
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I have, because apathy gets banded about a lot over various threads. My comments weren't specific to yours more a general statement.

Our current mess isn't specific to us it is a major problem football has as a whole. I have been following football since the 1960's and it has lost loads of paying customers.

It's now down to the fewer who are prepared to pay more.
Football traditionally was a release from the weekly grind of work...another reason for 'apathy' people don't want it churned into politics.

That is why there are so many divisions on how to protest...not apathy.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #126
Does anyone else find it ironic that in the FA Cup this season, the majority of money sisu have made from it come from AFC Wimbledon fans?

Yet we're supposed to feel guilty about giving MK Dons money?
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #127
bigfatronssba said:
Does anyone else find it ironic that in the FA Cup this season, the majority of money sisu have made from it come from AFC Wimbledon fans?

Yet we're supposed to feel guilty about giving MK Dons money?
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Not really no. The FA cup was a randomly drawn tie, the MK dons game was purely fans choice to go in numbers despite moaning about covhampton franchise. afc Wimbledon is purely coincidental.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors
 
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Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #128
bigfatronssba said:
Does anyone else find it ironic that in the FA Cup this season, the majority of money sisu have made from it come from AFC Wimbledon fans?

Yet we're supposed to feel guilty about giving MK Dons money?
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I can understand why people object to giving MK Dons money. However it comes down to personal choice. I know Wimbledon fans wouldn't boycott Sixfields on mass, much as I would love them too. I certainly wouldn't go on their fans forum calling them a hypercritical fan.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #129
And so we have it 128 posts in. Down to personal choice. Couldn't agree more.

Hobo said:
I can understand why people object to giving MK Dons money. However it comes down to personal choice. I know Wimbledon fans wouldn't boycott Sixfields on mass, much as I would love them too. I certainly wouldn't go on their fans forum calling them a hypercritical fan.
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bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #130
stupot07 said:
Not really no. The FA cup was a randomly drawn tie, the MK dons game was purely fans choice to go in numbers despite moaning about covhampton franchise. afc Wimbledon is purely coincidental.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors
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So your saying the Wimbledon fans had no choice but to attend the FA Cup game?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #131
So then. Who owns the ground if and when we get taken over? Let's say PH4 buys the club tomorrow. Who owns the ground? The club or the property developer? A clue might be how he makes his living...

bigfatronssba said:
Nothing unusual about it no. But to say CCFC will own a new ground is a lie that needs to be exposed.
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Otis said:
Yep, as has been admitted by Fisher himself in his own words, CCFC will not own any new ground. They will pay rent.
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bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #132
torchomatic said:
So then. Who owns the ground if and when we get taken over? Let's say PH4 buys the club tomorrow. Who owns the ground? The club or the property developer? A clue might be how he makes his living...
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The property developer.

Whats your point?

Mine was RFC stated the club needs to own its ground to survive. I was pointing out that the club wont under sisu, (or PH4 as you've rightly pointed out), therefore the club is doomed is it not?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #133
ohitsaidwalker king power said:
You over analyse the intentions
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Not about the intentions.

Most under-analyse the consequences.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #134
Hobo said:
That is why there are so many divisions on how to protest...not apathy.
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I didn't say it was apathy, I said how it can appear as apathy.

Active rather than passive protest helps to dispel that.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #135
My point is that so many people make A point out of the fact that CCFC won't own any new stadium (or the Ricoh for that matter if they got it) SISU or one of their companies would. Similar story with ANY new owner. Chances of the club actually owning anything disappeared with Highfield Road.

No, I don't think the club is doomed.


bigfatronssba said:
The property developer.

Whats your point?

Mine was RFC stated the club needs to own its ground to survive. I was pointing out that the club wont under sisu, (or PH4 as you've rightly pointed out), therefore the club is doomed is it not?
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #136
bigfatronssba said:
The property developer.

Whats your point?

Mine was RFC stated the club needs to own its ground to survive. I was pointing out that the club wont under sisu, (or PH4 as you've rightly pointed out), therefore the club is doomed is it not?
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Either your stupid or being obtuse and I think its the latter.

A holding company under the same umberella will own the property and the club will be linked.

The arrangement is bery different than being under third party ownership and would be better than the club actually owning it anyway.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #137
torchomatic said:
My point is that so many people make A point out of the fact that CCFC won't own any new stadium (or the Ricoh for that matter if they got it) SISU or one of their companies would. Similar story with ANY new owner. Chances of the club actually owning anything disappeared with Highfield Road.

No, I don't think the club is doomed.
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So you disagree then that the club needs the freehold to survive?
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #138
Grendel said:
Either your stupid or being obtuse and I think its the latter.

A holding company under the same umberella will own the property and the club will be linked.

The arrangement is bery different than being under third party ownership and would be better than the club actually owning it anyway.
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But in reality it makes no difference to the club if a related company or CCC own the freehold does it?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #139
bigfatronssba said:
But in reality it makes no difference to the club if a related company or CCC own the freehold does it?
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Of course it does. Rent can be set at 1 pence a year if it wants of £1 million if it suits. Most business separate assets. The terms in terms of revenue would mean the club benefit from everything that is operated in the stadium and the club os far more attractive as a going concern. There would be no chance we would get separated again as we would be the main asset. If you can't see that, well....
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 15, 2013
  • #140
Grendel said:
Of course it does. Rent can be set at 1 pence a year if it wants of £1 million if it suits. Most business separate assets. The terms in terms of revenue would mean the club benefit from everything that is operated in the stadium and the club os far more attractive as a going concern. There would be no chance we would get separated again as we would be the main asset. If you can't see that, well....
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Revenue isn't currently available Freeholder.

CCFC never paid rent to the Freeholder.

How would a loss making football club, paying no rent into the arena, be classed as "the main asset"?
 
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