Brighton Sky Blue
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I hear what you're saying and would love to be wrong but if he carries on repeating his mistakes we can't keep arguing for him to have more time.
I hear you Brighton Sky Blue. But I think in the bigger picture it's very difficult to argue against Robins' ability to transform and improve the team season after season.
So getting rid of Bright, Clarke Harris, Willis, Chaplin - freezing out last seasons top scorer is improving the team - wow
There was no guarantee that sacking Pressley, Strachan or Coleman would? I don’t see your point
Can we expect a manager to be perfect at this level? The players are flawed... and so's the manager.I hear what you're saying and would love to be wrong but if he carries on repeating his mistakes we can't keep arguing for him to have more time.
Getting rid of Bright?So getting rid of Bright, Clarke Harris, Willis, Chaplin - freezing out last seasons top scorer is improving the team - wow
Getting rid of Bright?
And Willis rejected a contract
Can we expect a manager to be perfect at this level? The players are flawed... and so's the manager.
Now there are some things that are challenging, among them is getting players to implement a progressive style of play at this level. Robins himself had to be persuaded by Viveash and there were certainly teeting problems, when a straightforward 4-4-2 may well have got more immediate results.
Hell, even since his Barnsley days Robins has been known as a cautious manager, so it's hardly surprising he still is. His system isn't getting a striker functioning, but it has got defence and midfield gelling well. As for progress? The players get in the shop window enough to be sold on and finance the club's very existence. After years of freefall, we've stabilised (despite owners) and progressed (despite owners and surrounding nonsense).
League position isn't the only measuring tool. There's also system, playing staff, and general foundations. On all those measurements, it's progress under the current manager. To set an arbitrary limit of 6th or above for his survival is bonkers, in my view.
But the point is the squad is improving it seems
As in where they are now or how they performed for us?
If it’s where they are now then probably not. Chaplin, Thomas, Bright, Sterling, Bayliss and probably JCH in January are in the Championship.
Progress on last season wouldn't necessarily mean we would get promoted. If we don't get promoted then that means that Robins should go? I wouldn't agree with that. Everyone of the players in the team on Saturday was either signed by Robins or was introduced into the team by him. If you think that this team is good enough to be promoted, then who takes the credit for that?So with this great team if we hail to get promoted who would you blame?
Progress on last season wouldn't necessarily mean we would get promoted. If we don't get promoted then that means that Robins should go? I wouldn't agree with that. Everyone of the players in the team on Saturday was either signed by Robins or was introduced into the team by him. If you think that this team is good enough to be promoted, then who takes the credit for that?
You were pedalling the same argument two years ago before promotion from the fourth division was secured. Any fallow period (in this case, one game, the defeat by Shrewsbury, which followed the great Cup result at Ipswich), sees yourself and others casting doubt on Robins abilities.
Now considering that we all presumably want the same thing, a successful, entertaining team, it just baffles me why this keeps happening. Considering the disaster that the fire and hire policy with regard to managers since PL relegation, why do you and others think that starting on that road again will suddenly lead to success?
Robins has a plan (buy or develop players on the cheap, sell on for a profit and use some of the proceeds to improve the team). He has a definite pattern of play which suits the players and which they appear to have bought into. We have made progress year on year with Robins. We play entertaining football. We are winning a lot more than we are losing. We don't in fact lose often
Why would you get rid of the person that has brought about this transformation in our fortunes in the vague and probably forlorn hope that someone else just may do better?
Considering the state of the club and where we play, it is only Robins that has given us a glimmer of hope. Yet you and a few others try to wheedle away at this slither of positivity. I don't understand why.
What was it like when he took over?How has he transformed - we finished 8th under Mowbray and the conditions Pressley operated in were far worse?
What was it like when he took over?
No comments on the other points I made?How has he transformed - we finished 8th under Mowbray and the conditions Pressley operated in were far worse?
There was no guarantee that sacking Pressley, Strachan or Coleman would? I don’t see your point
It was awful, certainly a lot worse than when Boothroyd left. He turned around around a losing dispirited team taking only 4 games to do it. Comments on the other points I made?bad - was bad when Boothroyd left - get Thorn back
All managers eventually run their course at a club so you could literally call them failing early every time and eventually be right.
What a visionary.
That's all it isAll managers eventually run their course at a club so you could literally call them failing early every time and eventually be right.
What a visionary.
half the fucking midfieldHe said we improved the squad so i assume someone is better than him now
That's all it is
You not going to offer me the charity bet double down on that claim?Guarantee you every member on this site will be dead within 125 years.
Praise me.
You not going to offer me the charity bet double down on that claim?
Guarantee you every member on this site will be dead within 125 years.
Praise me.
I actually think the team MR is building is aimed more at after being promoted with a few additions. We seem to play too much good football for this division, in the Championship i think there are less cloggers, so our style of play should be better suited, so the style of play should stand out better (but we have to get their first). Plus the players will know each others styles better. Many smaller teams who go up and stay up claim it was developing a team and style years before that led to their successits an interesting one. you look at names gone and hard to say we have improved
but then on other hand marosi for burge is HUGE upgrade
our 3 cbs perform well majority of time and we havnt really missed willis too much
dabo is better thaqn sterling despite fact sterling may go on to play higher level
as for the midfield they compliment robins tactics so well i wouldnt really want to swap any of them bar perhaps o hare for bright
striker never seems to work out so thats not too different either lol
meanwhile development is a year on and likes of shipley,hyam and westbrooke better than ever
i think this seasons team beats last years
At least someone does lol, we just need to chill and give him the time his 2 times here record deserves.Totally agree with pipkin73
All managers eventually run their course at a club so you could literally call them failing early every time and eventually be right.
What a visionary.
As in where they are now or how they performed for us?
If it’s where they are now then probably not. Chaplin, Thomas, Bright, Sterling, Bayliss and probably JCH in January are in the Championship.
They are in the championship, but Bright, Sterling and Bayliss have barely had a kick between them, JCH has tried and failed in the championship.
It's not like they're all tearing it up in the league above.
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