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Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #106
DannyThomas_1981 said:
We both know that to be untrue.
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Nope I’ve put several points across about the concerns I have with Robins. You’d have been the same dribbling over Mowbray when he had to get the sack in the January
 

DannyThomas_1981

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #107
Grendel said:
Exactly - it’s the refusal to accept this that frustrates
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No one is saying we are the finished article.
Most people can see that the team has a few flaws. And sometimes we need to change tactics in match situations.
Most people can also see the potential this side has and what Robins has accomplished so far.
The only real point of disagreement is your 'warming up the taxi for Robins' conclusion in your first post on this. Nothing else.
 

DannyThomas_1981

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #108
Grendel said:
Nope I’ve put several points across about the concerns I have with Robins. You’d have been the same dribbling over Mowbray when he had to get the sack in the January
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And as you know I've debated and made several points from the other side of this debate - beyond calling you a Moron. As for your Mowbray point - WTF. You have finally gone crazy by throwing in that kind of nonsense to distract,
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #109
DannyThomas_1981 said:
No one is saying we are the finished article.
Most people can see that the team has a few flaws. And sometimes we need to change tactics in match situations.
Most people can also see the potential this side has and what Robins has accomplished so far.
The only real point of disagreement is your 'warming up the taxi for Robins' conclusion in your first post on this. Nothing else.
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Well I don’t think he’s capable of getting promotion at this level

He’s Ian Botham in the 1992 World Cup. A golden arm and a capacity to over achieve to a point but ultimately the house of cards falls down
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #110
DannyThomas_1981 said:
And as you know I've debated and made several points from the other side of this debate - beyond calling you a Moron. As for your Mowbray point - WTF. You have finally gone crazy by throwing in that kind of nonsense to distract,
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The Mowbray reference was why I made the thread and titled it as I did
 

LastGarrison

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #111
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m a moron
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Gordon is a moron.
 
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DannyThomas_1981

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #112
Grendel said:
Well I don’t think he’s capable of getting promotion at this level
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So you are actually dialling up the mythical taxi Grendel?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #113
DannyThomas_1981 said:
No one is saying we are the finished article.
Most people can see that the team has a few flaws. And sometimes we need to change tactics in match situations.
Most people can also see the potential this side has and what Robins has accomplished so far.
The only real point of disagreement is your 'warming up the taxi for Robins' conclusion in your first post on this. Nothing else.
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Maybe a better way of phrasing the question is

'Has he taken us as far as he can?'
 

DannyThomas_1981

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #114
Grendel said:
The Mowbray reference was why I made the thread and titled it as I did
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But you've completely made up how I felt about Mowbray at a particular point in time?

I think your point as suspected is that Mowbray should have been fired in January (obviously anyone can be clever after the event) and given that Robins should also be fired now? That's ok. It's all opinions. I just violently disagree!!
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #115
DannyThomas_1981 said:
But you've completely made up how I felt about Mowbray at a particular point in time?

I think your point as suspected is that Mowbray should have been fired in January (obviously anyone can be clever after the event) and given that Robins should also be fired now? That's ok. It's all opinions. I just violently disagree!!
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And The Cracks are Beggining to Show

This was my first post on the Mowbray decline and it got a lot more direct a few weeks later
 

DannyThomas_1981

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #116
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Maybe a better way of phrasing the question is

'Has he taken us as far as he can?'
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Answer: I believe he will take us further and given the fact that he has advanced the team every day since his return I am certainly prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. We've seen the damage caused by changing managers and changing now would simply be madness.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #117
DannyThomas_1981 said:
But you've completely made up how I felt about Mowbray at a particular point in time?

I think your point as suspected is that Mowbray should have been fired in January (obviously anyone can be clever after the event) and given that Robins should also be fired now? That's ok. It's all opinions. I just violently disagree!!
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Mowbray should have been sacked in January, a fact I stated at the time. No one is calling for Robins to be sacked. Grendel is simply pointing out some faults he has, which we all recognise. Grendel is also right that if these faults aren’t rectified, we will not go up and Robins’ position will become under threat.
 
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DannyThomas_1981

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #118
Grendel said:
And The Cracks are Beggining to Show

This was my first post on the Mowbray decline and it got a lot more direct a few weeks later
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Kudos Grendel for being right on that one. Equally 99% of City managers get the sack (only exceptions I guess are Hill and Milne?) so we're all ultimately going to be right in calling for the manager's head at some point?
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #119
DannyThomas_1981 said:
So you are actually dialling up the mythical taxi Grendel?
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The taxi is an expression conjured up by David Lloyd which I used on a thread previously

I don’t think Robins has it in him to achieve at this level. I think we’ve scraped through a lot of games. I’ve stated many times I think we have a squad that is better than previous seasons at this level and I think players like Godden would be performing better if we had a different approach

Again Robins has a golden arm but I cannot see how that’s going to last through to the end of this season
 
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DannyThomas_1981

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #120
ccfchoi87 said:
Mowbray should have been sacked in January, a fact I stated at the time. No one is calling for Robins to be sacked. Grendel is simply pointing out some faults he has, which we all recognise. Grendel is also right that if these faults aren’t rectified, we will not go up and Robins’ position will become under threat.
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He wasn't saying that. He was saying 'let's get the taxi warmed up now.' Admittedly he may have retracted that view over the past few days.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #121
DannyThomas_1981 said:
He wasn't saying that. He was saying 'let's get the taxi warmed up now.' Admittedly he may have retracted that view over the past few days.
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Warmed up - there is a clue there - again a Bumble expression
 

BackRoomRummermill

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #122
Spot on edit it does not mean we hate CCFC or anyone on the forum
ccfchoi87 said:
Mowbray should have been sacked in January, a fact I stated at the time. No one is calling for Robins to be sacked. Grendel is simply pointing out some faults he has, which we all recognise. Grendel is also right that if these faults aren’t rectified, we will not go up and Robins’ position will become under threat.

This is spot on along with others similar comments
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ccfchoi87

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #123
DannyThomas_1981 said:
He wasn't saying that. He was saying 'let's get the taxi warmed up now.' Admittedly he may have retracted that view over the past few days.
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Exactly so he is saying that the next month will be crucial as to whether Robins will learn, or if the wheels will fall off. At this point, the taxi will be outside or it will have remained at the rank
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #124
DannyThomas_1981 said:
Answer: I believe he will take us further and given the fact that he has advanced the team every day since his return I am certainly prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. We've seen the damage caused by changing managers and changing now would simply be madness.
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I agree changing now would make little sense. But let's suppose we have another 20 odd games of the same mistakes being made, the same patterns in games, the same post match comments-at what point do we decide that enough is enough?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #125
ccfchoi87 said:
Exactly so he is saying that the next month will be crucial as to whether Robins will learn, or if the wheels will fall off. At this point, the taxi will be outside or it will have remained at the rank
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I guess if it's an Uber we could download the app then delete it?
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #126
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I guess if it's an Uber we could download the app then delete it?
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Yep, the app is downloaded but we’re not at the point of checking the price just yet
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #127
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I agree changing now would make little sense. But let's suppose we have another 20 odd games of the same mistakes being made, the same patterns in games, the same post match comments-at what point do we decide that enough is enough?
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If we finish lower than 8th
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #128
Sky Blue Pete said:
If we finish lower than 8th
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Finishing 8th would be a failure as would anywhere below 6th

Actually, I said we'd finish 17th at one point but that was prior to a number of signings.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #129
Sky Blue Pete said:
If we finish lower than 8th
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Interesting
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #130
fernandopartridge said:
Finishing 8th would be a failure as would anywhere below 6th

Actually, I said we'd finish 17th at one point but that was prior to a number of signings.
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It’s progress in very trying circumstances I think that’s harsh
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #131
Sky Blue Pete said:
If we finish lower than 8th
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Do you agree Harvey and Danny Thomas and below this should mean dismissal?

I’d say below 6th myself
 

DannyThomas_1981

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #132
Grendel said:
Do you agree Harvey and Danny Thomas and below this should mean dismissal?

I’d say below 6th myself
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Different views and opinions Grendel on this.
Personally I think even 8th would represent significant progress year over year - combined with a pleasing style of football and a much improved squad.
Add in the circumstances of playing in Birmingham and I would have taken 8th at the start of the season for sure.
Add in also Robins proven record of continuously evolving and improving the squad - I'd be pretty confident for the next season in the circumstance of finishing 8th.
So in short - I would not be changing Robins if we finished 8th!
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #133
Sky Blue Pete said:
It’s progress in very trying circumstances I think that’s harsh
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What trying circumstances? Robins has been pretty positive about St Andrews, make no mistake it is nothing like the Sixfields season where at this date we'd have been on 35 points with a GD +6 if not for the deduction, having played the same games but scored 44 goals compared with a paltry 26 this time. We had players like Billy Daniels in the first 16, Andy Webster....
 
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DannyThomas_1981

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #134
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I agree changing now would make little sense. But let's suppose we have another 20 odd games of the same mistakes being made, the same patterns in games, the same post match comments-at what point do we decide that enough is enough?
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I hear you Brighton Sky Blue. But I think in the bigger picture it's very difficult to argue against Robins' ability to transform and improve the team season after season.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #135
The point is to be careful what you wish for. Anyone coming it may do a lot worse under the same circumstances and might not even have us playing the good football.
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #136
DannyThomas_1981 said:
I hear you Brighton Sky Blue. But I think in the bigger picture it's very difficult to argue against Robins' ability to transform and improve the team season after season.
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So getting rid of Bright, Clarke Harris, Willis, Chaplin - freezing out last seasons top scorer is improving the team - wow
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #137
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
The point is to be careful what you wish for. Anyone coming it may do a lot worse under the same circumstances and might not even have us playing the good football.
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People used to say Thorne played good football. The only good football is winning football
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #138
Grendel said:
Do you agree Harvey and Danny Thomas and below this should mean dismissal?

I’d say below 6th myself
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Which I agree with you on.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #139
Grendel said:
People used to say Thorne played good football. The only good football is winning football
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So you can guarantee any replacement would play winning football? Or at the very least an improvement on where we currently are?
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2019
  • #140
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So you can guarantee any replacement would play winning football? Or at the very least an improvement on where we currently are?
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There was no guarantee that sacking Pressley, Strachan or Coleman would? I don’t see your point
 
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