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mmttww

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  • Today at 1:26 PM
  • #421
Evo1883 said:
top championship centre halves still not in their primes
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I'm not convinced they're top CBs at this level yet. If we still have one of the tightest defences in the league in Jan, I'll start to feel different. It's not an issue for me because I like how we play and I get they're not in their prime. Just not on board with the idea that being critical of some of what they do (or don't do) is a hot take.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Today at 1:27 PM
  • #422
Ccfcisparks said:
Oh, so no is the answer.
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Usual @mmttww nonsense, embarrassing
 

mmttww

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  • Today at 1:29 PM
  • #423
Ccfcisparks said:
Oh, so no is the answer.
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We conceded 58 goals last season, and 59 goals the season before. We've conceded four goals in the last two games. I don't think it's mad to be conscious that some old habits might be creeping back in with those two.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 1:31 PM
  • #424
mmttww said:
We conceded 58 goals last season, and 59 goals the season before. We've conceded four goals in the last two games. I don't think it's mad to be conscious that some old habits might be creeping back in with those two.
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Well yes if the responsibility for conceding goals is purely on the two centre halves.

Evo pointed out previously the reason this isn't always the case.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 1:38 PM
  • #425
mmttww said:
I'm not convinced they're top CBs at this level yet. If we still have one of the tightest defences in the league in Jan, I'll start to feel different. It's not an issue for me because I like how we play and I get they're not in their prime. Just not on board with the idea that being critical of some of what they do (or don't do) is a hot take.
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Bobby was struggling yesterday in fact a number of players looked leggy
Obviously Rushworth, Kitching, Jay, grimes, torp, simms and Rudoni and Allen and Kkh when they came on were very much on their games
 

mmttww

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  • Today at 1:40 PM
  • #426
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Usual @mmttww nonsense, embarrassing
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This post makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Thanks!
 
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TomRad85

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  • Today at 1:44 PM
  • #427
I'd hate to think how many points clear we'd be if we had 2 good centre backs.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Today at 1:49 PM
  • #428
mmttww said:
the number of goals we conceded in their first two seasons at the club and the trend towards us conceding more in the last few weeks.
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Does the joint 3rd best defence mean nothing to you?
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Today at 1:49 PM
  • #429
mmttww said:
We conceded 58 goals last season, and 59 goals the season before. We've conceded four goals in the last two games. I don't think it's mad to be conscious that some old habits might be creeping back in with those two.
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It's potentially something for the coaching staff to keep an eye on but there probably won't be anything in it long term.

10 goals conceded in the past 7 games compared to 7 goals conceded. in the first stack of 10 fixtures.

That also includes 6 clean sheets in the first 10 compared to 1 in 7.

However there's peaks and toughs across a season it's not going to be a case of: "we must only concede X over X games otherwise there's clearly a crisis."

The goals conceded as of late have been a bit amateurish but that's Championship football for you. We're still excellent defensively.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 1:52 PM
  • #430
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
It's potentially something for the coaching staff to keep an eye on but there probably won't be anything in it.

10 goals conceded in the past 7 games compared to 7 goals conceded. in the first stack of fixtures.

That also includes 6 clean sheets in the first 10 compared to 1 in 7.

However there's peaks and toughs across a season it's not going to be a case of: "we must only concede X over X games otherwise there's clearly a crisis."

The goals conceded as of late have been a bit amateurish but that's Championship football for you. We're still excellent defensively.
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3 of those 10 were against wrexham with a make shift defence
 

mmttww

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  • Today at 1:54 PM
  • #431
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Does the joint 3rd best defence mean nothing to you?
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Yeah, it got us where we are. I want to stay where we are and I'm not convinced we'll do that conceding two goals a game. If we calm down at the back between now and Jan, I'll be more confident. Ipswich went up conceding a fair chunk so maybe that's the way we'll do it. Just not sold on the idea Thomas and Kitching are immune from criticism. Wright was our top scorer and he was getting pelters!
 
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TomRad85

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  • Today at 1:56 PM
  • #432
Our full backs have had a poor couple of games on the trot now imo, even MvE who is the outstanding RB in the Championship has looked a bit off. Doesn't mean they aren't any good.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Today at 1:56 PM
  • #433
Ccfcisparks said:
3 of those 10 were against wrexham with a make shift defence
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With respect it's hardly like one legged pirates were played in place of Dasilva, Thomas and MVE.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Today at 2:08 PM
  • #434
mmttww said:
Yeah, it got us where we are. I want to stay where we are and I'm not convinced we'll do that conceding two goals a game. If we calm down at the back between now and Jan, I'll be more confident. Ipswich went up conceding a fair chunk so maybe that's the way we'll do it. Just not sold on the idea Thomas and Kitching are immune from criticism. Wright's our top scorer and he's getting pelters!
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It was two goals in consecutive games. Put things into perspective, Boro have a good home record and scored 2 v Ipswich and Birmingham (created more chances against Ipswich than us). The OG was unforced but probably a one off from Thomas - has he scored an OG before Boro?

This season, the top 2-3 will probably concede more goals than historically the case. Automatic promotion teams tend to concede less than 40 goals and only Stoke are averaging less than 1 goal conceded a game, Ipswich and ourselves averaging bang on 1 a game.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 2:09 PM
  • #435
Mucca Mad Boys said:
It was two goals in consecutive games. Put things into perspective, Boro have a good home record and scored 2 v Ipswich and Birmingham (created more chances against Ipswich than us). The OG was unforced but probably a one off from Thomas - has he scored an OG before Boro?

This season, the top 2-3 will probably concede more goals than historically the case. Automatic promotion teams tend to concede less than 40 goals and only Stoke are averaging less than 1 goal conceded a game, Ipswich and ourselves averaging bang on 1 a game.
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He scored a pretty funny one at home to PNE. Well I say funny, he was laughing but not many others were!
 

mmttww

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  • Today at 2:09 PM
  • #436
TomRad85 said:
Doesn't mean they aren't any good.
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Agree. I think they're good CBs. I also think that if we want to finish where we are, both might need to tighten up a bit.
 

mmttww

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  • Today at 2:11 PM
  • #437
Mucca Mad Boys said:
the top 2-3 will probably concede more goals than historically the case. Automatic promotion teams tend to concede less than 40 goals and only Stoke are averaging less than 1 goal conceded a game, Ipswich and ourselves averaging bang on 1 a game.
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Yeah, I accept that. If that's how it goes, so be it.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Today at 2:13 PM
  • #438
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He scored a pretty funny one at home to PNE. Well I say funny, he was laughing but not many others were!
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I knew there was one. That PNE game was one of those you just forget ever happened. Like a mug, I stayed in the stands until the final whistle when there was a cold crisp pint waiting for me in the casino around 76 minutes in.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 2:14 PM
  • #439
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
With respect it's hardly like one legged pirates were played in place of Dasilva, Thomas and MVE.
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well the topic was about the Kitching Thomas pairing. Bit harsh to pin that partnership with 3 goals when they didnt play together.
 

TomRad85

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  • Today at 2:15 PM
  • #440
Mucca Mad Boys said:
I knew there was one. That PNE game was one of those you just forget ever happened. Like a mug, I stayed in the stands until the final whistle when there was a cold crisp pint waiting for me in the casino around 76 minutes in.
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Was that the game GIMOC reported Sakamoto (RIP) had been killed in the line of duty?
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Today at 2:18 PM
  • #441
TomRad85 said:
Was that the game GIMOC reported Sakamoto (RIP) had been killed in the line of duty?
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Yes, battered 3-0 and don't think there's been many poorer performances since we've been back in the Championship. That game went some way of ending my 'stay 90m no matter what policy'. When it's cold and miserable (weather and performance) and you're 3-0 down, meet your mates for a beer and moan.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 2:19 PM
  • #442
TomRad85 said:
Was that the game GIMOC reported Sakamoto (RIP) had been killed in the line of duty?
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It was, and was also the only game I have ever left at half time. I think Mrs BSB kicked a bin on the way out which is her traditional way of venting after bad games.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Today at 2:21 PM
  • #443
Ccfcisparks said:
well the topic was about the Kitching Thomas pairing. Bit harsh to pin that partnership with 3 goals when they didnt play together.
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I was referring to the defence as a whole. Although both Kitching and Thomas have made pretty rudimentary mistakes over the past two games - but, again, that's Championship football and they're Championship footballers. Mistakes will unfortunately happen.
 
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Shannerz

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  • Today at 2:55 PM
  • #444
stevefloyd said:
By changing the defence it handed Journeyman Moore a hatrick
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They were forced changes.

It wasn't just that, either; as well as three of the back four not fit to start, we only had Grimes and Allen available to start in the middle; that wasn't the right combination for a physical team like Wrexham. A more robust midfield and you can protect the defence better.

That result was a combination of a number of things.
 

skybluecam

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  • Today at 3:19 PM
  • #445
mmttww said:
I'm not, but we've not been solid at the back consistently with them as our CBs. I rate them both, but folks are a bit binary with posts about them. Either sh*t or amazing.

Numbers say they're good but not incredible, individually or as a pair. Folks are piling on someone for being critical of Kitching. I'm saying that's harsh and they've got a point.
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Judging the CB pairing purely on goals conceded is incredibly reductionist lol

We are the best attacking side in the league by an absolute country mile - given that, having the 3rd/4th best defence is very impressive.
 

shmmeee

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  • Today at 3:23 PM
  • #446
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
I think him and Bobby are both terrible defenders, the evidence is clear look at all he games we’ve lost this season when they both play
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KKH is the best player in the squad, Andrews the third best and Woolfenden is our best CB:


 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 3:46 PM
  • #447
TomRad85 said:
I'd hate to think how many points clear we'd be if we had 2 good centre backs.
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And left back
 
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