top championship centre halves still not in their primes
Usual @mmttww nonsense, embarrassingOh, so no is the answer.
Oh, so no is the answer.
Well yes if the responsibility for conceding goals is purely on the two centre halves.We conceded 58 goals last season, and 59 goals the season before. We've conceded four goals in the last two games. I don't think it's mad to be conscious that some old habits might be creeping back in with those two.
Bobby was struggling yesterday in fact a number of players looked leggyI'm not convinced they're top CBs at this level yet. If we still have one of the tightest defences in the league in Jan, I'll start to feel different. It's not an issue for me because I like how we play and I get they're not in their prime. Just not on board with the idea that being critical of some of what they do (or don't do) is a hot take.
Does the joint 3rd best defence mean nothing to you?the number of goals we conceded in their first two seasons at the club and the trend towards us conceding more in the last few weeks.
We conceded 58 goals last season, and 59 goals the season before. We've conceded four goals in the last two games. I don't think it's mad to be conscious that some old habits might be creeping back in with those two.
3 of those 10 were against wrexham with a make shift defenceIt's potentially something for the coaching staff to keep an eye on but there probably won't be anything in it.
10 goals conceded in the past 7 games compared to 7 goals conceded. in the first stack of fixtures.
That also includes 6 clean sheets in the first 10 compared to 1 in 7.
However there's peaks and toughs across a season it's not going to be a case of: "we must only concede X over X games otherwise there's clearly a crisis."
The goals conceded as of late have been a bit amateurish but that's Championship football for you. We're still excellent defensively.
Does the joint 3rd best defence mean nothing to you?
3 of those 10 were against wrexham with a make shift defence
It was two goals in consecutive games. Put things into perspective, Boro have a good home record and scored 2 v Ipswich and Birmingham (created more chances against Ipswich than us). The OG was unforced but probably a one off from Thomas - has he scored an OG before Boro?Yeah, it got us where we are. I want to stay where we are and I'm not convinced we'll do that conceding two goals a game. If we calm down at the back between now and Jan, I'll be more confident. Ipswich went up conceding a fair chunk so maybe that's the way we'll do it. Just not sold on the idea Thomas and Kitching are immune from criticism. Wright's our top scorer and he's getting pelters!
He scored a pretty funny one at home to PNE. Well I say funny, he was laughing but not many others were!It was two goals in consecutive games. Put things into perspective, Boro have a good home record and scored 2 v Ipswich and Birmingham (created more chances against Ipswich than us). The OG was unforced but probably a one off from Thomas - has he scored an OG before Boro?
This season, the top 2-3 will probably concede more goals than historically the case. Automatic promotion teams tend to concede less than 40 goals and only Stoke are averaging less than 1 goal conceded a game, Ipswich and ourselves averaging bang on 1 a game.
Doesn't mean they aren't any good.
the top 2-3 will probably concede more goals than historically the case. Automatic promotion teams tend to concede less than 40 goals and only Stoke are averaging less than 1 goal conceded a game, Ipswich and ourselves averaging bang on 1 a game.
I knew there was one. That PNE game was one of those you just forget ever happened. Like a mug, I stayed in the stands until the final whistle when there was a cold crisp pint waiting for me in the casino around 76 minutes in.He scored a pretty funny one at home to PNE. Well I say funny, he was laughing but not many others were!
well the topic was about the Kitching Thomas pairing. Bit harsh to pin that partnership with 3 goals when they didnt play together.With respect it's hardly like one legged pirates were played in place of Dasilva, Thomas and MVE.
Was that the game GIMOC reported Sakamoto (RIP) had been killed in the line of duty?I knew there was one. That PNE game was one of those you just forget ever happened. Like a mug, I stayed in the stands until the final whistle when there was a cold crisp pint waiting for me in the casino around 76 minutes in.
Yes, battered 3-0 and don't think there's been many poorer performances since we've been back in the Championship. That game went some way of ending my 'stay 90m no matter what policy'. When it's cold and miserable (weather and performance) and you're 3-0 down, meet your mates for a beer and moan.Was that the game GIMOC reported Sakamoto (RIP) had been killed in the line of duty?
It was, and was also the only game I have ever left at half time. I think Mrs BSB kicked a bin on the way out which is her traditional way of venting after bad games.Was that the game GIMOC reported Sakamoto (RIP) had been killed in the line of duty?
well the topic was about the Kitching Thomas pairing. Bit harsh to pin that partnership with 3 goals when they didnt play together.
They were forced changes.By changing the defence it handed Journeyman Moore a hatrick
Judging the CB pairing purely on goals conceded is incredibly reductionist lolI'm not, but we've not been solid at the back consistently with them as our CBs. I rate them both, but folks are a bit binary with posts about them. Either sh*t or amazing.
Numbers say they're good but not incredible, individually or as a pair. Folks are piling on someone for being critical of Kitching. I'm saying that's harsh and they've got a point.
And left backI'd hate to think how many points clear we'd be if we had 2 good centre backs.
JDS was sick, had a bug, not left out.Only thing I would say with DaSilva would be that he got left out at Wrexham alongside Thomas and MVE and our defence looked all over the place.
I know it is just DaSilva and not MVE you are suggesting but I would not want to risk too many changes and Wrexham happening again
It was a combination, I was just pointing out that Wolfy played, it was a wake up call for us to highlight that too many changes are detrimental so lets hope we don't have to do it again and everyone keeps fitThey were forced changes.
It wasn't just that, either; as well as three of the back four not fit to start, we only had Grimes and Allen available to start in the middle; that wasn't the right combination for a physical team like Wrexham. A more robust midfield and you can protect the defence better.
That result was a combination of a number of things.
I agree with you.It was a combination, I was just pointing out that Wolfy played, it was a wake up call for us to highlight that too many changes are detrimental so lets hope we don't have to do it again and everyone keeps fit
MVE is also a big part of this.Both Thomas and Kitching have been outstanding this season. We play a ridiculously high line and given the ground they cover they're going to get caught out from time to time. Even at Boro at 2-2, late in the game, they are throwing themselves forward and are involved in both late goals. On those few occasions this season when we've sat low late in the game, they have been rock solid, they were immense at Stoke. Teams will get in behind on occasion and the way we play will expose them, but Jesus people are trying too hard here to find fault, or just haven't been paying attention to how we play and what we expect from them.
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