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  • Start date Dec 9, 2024
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #106
Mucca Mad Boys said:
He actually hasn’t, he played 8 games that season Swansea got in the playoffs. The season after, his break out season, Swansea finished lower than us conceding 68 goals and 64 the season after (2022/23) before joining us.

In fact, he hasn’t played a lot of CB in a back 4 outside of playing for us.
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how old was he? And it’s 8 more than fucking Shitching has played!
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #107
shmmeee said:
how old was he? And it’s 8 more than fucking Shitching has played!
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It’s irrelevant, your point about Lati playing for playoff teams is just wrong. Kitching has actually played in a team that’s played playoff, albeit for Barnsley in L1. Their back 3 was Thomas-Andersen-Kitching and we tried to sign all 3 players that summer and was one of the best in the league.

Lati has only really played RB/RWB and CB in a back 5 rather than a back 4.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #108
Mucca Mad Boys said:
It’s irrelevant, your point about Lati playing for playoff teams is just wrong. Kitching has actually played in a team that’s played playoff, albeit for Barnsley in L1. Their back 3 was Thomas-Andersen-Kitching and we tried to sign all 3 players that summer and was one of the best in the league.

Lati has only really played RB/RWB and CB in a back 5 rather than a back 4.
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Agahahaha in L1. Fucking hell.

Yeah fuck Lati for never dropping to L1 and getting to the playoffs. Let’s sign Dabo he won the league!
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #109
shmmeee said:
Agahahaha in L1. Fucking hell.

Yeah fuck Lati for never dropping to L1 and getting to the playoffs. Let’s sign Dabo he won the league!
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So just for context, doing well in league one at 22 (I think), is a bad thing? Players don’t always have the same pathway as others but that’s means pretty much nothing in the long run. Hell take Vardy as the extreme example considering he’s close to overtaking Michael Owen’s record and he only got to the prem at 27.

Both are championship CBs at the end of the day, only difference is Lati got dropped to do it while Liam came up to do it.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #110
shmmeee said:
Agahahaha in L1. Fucking hell.

Yeah fuck Lati for never dropping to L1 and getting to the playoffs. Let’s sign Dabo he won the league!
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Unhinged.

For us, we’ve kept more clean sheets playing Kitching than Lati that’s the bottom line and Lampard will see sense after seeing Lati’s defending last night.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #111
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Unhinged.

For us, we’ve kept more clean sheets playing Kitching than Lati that’s the bottom line and Lampard will see sense after seeing Lati’s defending last night.
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Clean sheets aren’t an individual stat. Just like wins and losses aren’t. They’re a team stat. It’s absolute statistical illiteracy to put team results down to a single player. And yes this includes the golden glove, a ridiculous trophy.

We kept clean sheets last year because of the coaching. Not the players.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #112
People want a stat like goals and assists for defenders because it makes it nice and easy but defence doesn’t work like that.

Neither does attack really, but at least with goals it’s indicative of the final input on the move.
 

Mr Panda

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #113
I don't really get what Lati was trying to do with his body position here. He's showing Grant down an already difficult route to take between himself and Bobby. He doesn't have the agility to be able to reposition himself when Grant makes a basic change in direction. He wants Grant on his stronger right side.

LCB is an awkward position for him going by this situation.

Does this scenario result in a goal if we utilise our natural left sided players? I don't think so, personally - or it would have at least been more difficult for Grant to get a shot away.

 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #114
TomRad85 said:
Then Robins fell out with them.
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He fell out with Lawrence?
That's a new one.
 

Marty

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #115
Mucca Mad Boys said:
He actually hasn’t, he played 8 games that season Swansea got in the playoffs. The season after, his break out season, Swansea finished lower than us conceding 68 goals and 64 the season after (2022/23) before joining us.

In fact, he hasn’t played a lot of CB in a back 4 outside of playing for us.
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He's slagging off Bidwell who has been in the play offs with 3 different teams as well.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #116
Marty said:
He's slagging off Bidwell who has been in the play offs with 3 different teams as well.
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Im saying Bidwell has been poor for a year and has never locked down his place since signing, but gets treated like a Maldini regen so people have a stick to beat Dasilva with and similar with Kitching and Lats.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #117
shmmeee said:
People want a stat like goals and assists for defenders because it makes it nice and easy but defence doesn’t work like that.

Neither does attack really, but at least with goals it’s indicative of the final input on the move.
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Don’t disagree with this at all. Goal and assist stats look nice but there’s loads more to the game. On that note however as per my earlier post, Kitching has better stats imo over Lati.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #118
Mr Panda said:
I don't really get what Lati was trying to do with his body position here. He's showing Grant down an already difficult route to take between himself and Bobby. He doesn't have the agility to be able to reposition himself when Grant makes a basic change in direction. He wants Grant on his stronger right side.

LCB is an awkward position for him going by this situation.

Does this scenario result in a goal if we utilise our natural left sided players? I don't think so, personally - or it would have at least been more difficult for Grant to get a shot away.

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Absolutely awful, he basically just gets in Thomas' way, he'd have done better without Lati there as he'd have just tracked the run himself. As soon as he becomes Latis man its game over. Just flat footed time and time again.
 
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #119
shmmeee said:
Im saying Bidwell has been poor for a year and has never locked down his place since signing, but gets treated like a Maldini regen so people have a stick to beat Dasilva with and similar with Kitching and Lats.
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I thought Bidwell was steady last night & steady at Millwall
Dasilva can't defend in that left fullback slot. Surely you can see that much.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #120
shmmeee said:
Clean sheets aren’t an individual stat. Just like wins and losses aren’t. They’re a team stat. It’s absolute statistical illiteracy to put team results down to a single player. And yes this includes the golden glove, a ridiculous trophy.

We kept clean sheets last year because of the coaching. Not the players.
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They’re a team stat, that is a given. Defence is a team effort and that trend is that we keep the most clean sheets with MVE-Thomas-Kitching-Bidwell.

Binks has 3 clean sheets in nearly 40 games, for the most part, he’s playing with the same players as Kitching (Bidwell-Thomas-MVE).

Back to Lati, he’s kept 5 clean sheets at CB, again, mostly the same variables. He’s kept more clean sheets playing RB which only totals 15 games.

Make sense of that…
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #121
shmmeee said:
Im saying Bidwell has been poor for a year and has never locked down his place since signing, but gets treated like a Maldini regen so people have a stick to beat Dasilva with and similar with Kitching and Lats.
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Bidwell played 45 of the 46 games in the season we got to the play off final as well as all of the play off games themselves. How has he not 'nailed down a place'? He played 33 times last season after the initial experiment of using Da Silva was abandoned.
 
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Great_Expectations

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #122
I feel as though I’ve not actually seen enough of Kitching to form a balanced view, despite the fact numbers wise he played a fair bit last year.

All for being a bit nastier on the pitch, but I have also heard from someone within the club he’s an absolute tosser and bad influence. Being that off the pitch doesn’t equate to being that on it. I personally don’t want any disrupters around the squad.

However, I wouldn’t mind him starting once or twice so we can actually get a decent perspective on his ability. Assuming he lasts the full 90.

As he’s becoming Maldini on here, as well as in his head.
 
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #123
CovValleyBoy said:
I thought Bidwell was steady last night & steady at Millwall
Dasilva can't defend in that left fullback slot. Surely you can see that much.
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CovValleyBoy said:
I thought Bidwell was steady last night & steady at Millwall
Dasilva can't defend in that left fullback slot. Surely you can see that much.
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I like Dasilva I can tolerate him on the pitch up the field where he can play his little 2 yarders into feet. But do not ever ever let him play left side of defence.
 

We'll_live_and_die

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  • Dec 12, 2024
  • #124
CovValleyBoy said:
I like Dasilva I can tolerate him on the pitch up the field where he can play his little 2 yarders into feet. But do not ever ever let him play left side of defence.
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Dasilva doesn't put crosses in, Bidwell does. That's the main reason I prefer Bidwell.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2024
  • #125
I believe our record with kitching in the team since he arrived in all comps is

Won 18
Drew 10
Lost 12

He's had 3 red cards in those games
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Dec 25, 2024
  • #126
Evo1883 said:
I believe our record with kitching in the team since he arrived in all comps is

Won 18
Drew 10
Lost 12

He's had 3 red cards in those games
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Bloody hell mate it’s Christmas Day quit the stats bashing
 
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covboy9

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  • Dec 25, 2024
  • #127
It’s time to give him another go
 
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Skybluedownunder

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  • Dec 26, 2024
  • #128
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Heard he is also a major prick but maybe that’s we need at this point. We are so nice on the pitch.
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If he’s such a prick and not liked by team mates why didn’t Collins & Thomas warn the club not to sign him prior to us doing so?


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Frankly_Mr_Shankly

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  • Dec 26, 2024
  • #129
Skybluedownunder said:
If he’s such a prick and not liked by team mates why didn’t Collins & Thomas warn the club not to sign him prior to us doing so?


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Maybe it’s bullshit
 

Skybluedownunder

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  • Dec 26, 2024
  • #130
Frankly_Mr_Shankly said:
Maybe it’s bullshit
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Doesn’t sound like it’s bullshit as multiple people have all come out on here and said they have heard that’s the case, including people who knew Barnsley fans and I trust what Saddle says


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clint van damme

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  • Dec 26, 2024
  • #131
Skybluedownunder said:
Doesn’t sound like it’s bullshit as multiple people have all come out on here and said they have heard that’s the case, including people who knew Barnsley fans and I trust what Saddle says


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Think Saddles has been in his company before.
Obviously that's just his opinion but that makes it based on more than just hearsay
 

higgs

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  • Dec 26, 2024
  • #132
Met him after the blackburn game at ewood park he stood in for a photo he was waiting for fadz he was travelling with fadz he didn't go back on the team coach

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TomRad85

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  • Dec 26, 2024
  • #133
clint van damme said:
Think Saddles has been in his company before.
Obviously that's just his opinion but that makes it based on more than just hearsay
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Waiting for Kitching to login and give a clap back post on what he thinks of Saddle.
 
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Ricketts

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  • Dec 26, 2024
  • #134
He might be the scruff of the neck captain that we’re crying out for
 
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TomRad85

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  • Dec 26, 2024
  • #135
I'm not really sure that 'footballer is massive bellend' is as rare as some are making it out to be tbf.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 26, 2024
  • #136
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Heard he is also a major prick but maybe that’s we need at this point. We are so nice on the pitch.
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No problem with that if he plays well every week, which basically nobody in this team does.
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Dec 26, 2024
  • #137
TomRad85 said:
I'm not really sure that 'footballer is massive bellend' is as rare as some are making it out to be tbf.
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Me neither. Get him in the team.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Dec 26, 2024
  • #138
Brighton Sky Blue said:
No problem with that if he plays well every week, which basically nobody in this team does.
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100% agree. Think the ego could be used well by a manager who knows how to use it.
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 26, 2024
  • #139
Ricketts said:
He might be the scruff of the neck captain that we’re crying out for
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Never known a player undergo so much rehab to his reputation without even playing!
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 26, 2024
  • #140
SBT said:
Never known a player undergo so much rehab to his reputation without even playing!
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Our record when he was playing last season is far better than when he wasn’t
 
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