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limoncello

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  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #106
Rusty Trombone said:
It's good that you've shown up to explain everything. Carry on.....
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First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes. I couldn't believe it.
 
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DaleM

New Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #107
stupot07 said:
Wasn't there a rumour on here a couple of weeks ago saying that they were struggling to raise the cash?



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors
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So that's where Byng got it from
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #108
wingy said:
But were they started by BYNG ?/

He brought It up on the Friday phone In .
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Doesn't mean anything either way
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #109
limoncello said:
First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes. I couldn't believe it.
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Your answer has confirmed what I thought. Thanks.
 
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Godiva

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  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #110
Rusty Trombone said:
Pretty sure PWKH, or maybe it was OSB58, or both, said that Higgs have to give permission for the purchase option to be transferred. So claims of beneficial ownership won't work will they?
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Think that was OSB.
But could ccfc ltd be brought back to life? Out of liquidation - out of administration?
I have no clue, but that could be some twist.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #111
Grendel said:
Top wumming - this is No Loan and 250 years while the partners Re shafted with the loan

Won't happen though it will be vetoed.
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You are saying it can't happen.
Yet SISU are still bidding?
Why?
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #112
dongonzalos said:
You are saying it can't happen.
Yet SISU are still bidding?
Why?
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Appearance and perception.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #113
Godiva said:
Think that was OSB.
But could ccfc ltd be brought back to life? Out of liquidation - out of administration?
I have no clue, but that could be some twist.
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Could cost a lot of dollar Godiva .

In your other post you made It out that most of the Money would go back to them either through SISU Otium or even ACL,.

I'd have thought the ACL settlement would reduce the Borrowing on the loan ,which in turn will reduce their and Richardsons repayment on that.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #114
dongonzalos said:
You are saying it can't happen.
Yet SISU are still bidding?
Why?
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It's not hard to see why.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #115
Godiva said:
Think that was OSB.
But could ccfc ltd be brought back to life? Out of liquidation - out of administration?
I have no clue, but that could be some twist.
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Get our 20 points back.
 
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Godiva

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #116
wingy said:
Get our 20 points back.
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Would get us to the top of table ... just.
Nah, I'd settle for full ownership of ACL. Then sisu can build a new stadium ... for Wasp.
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #117
When Rob S met with Joy and she told him that SISU didn't want to interfere, he said that.....

Joy's basic argument against the Ricoh was that she thinks it's too much of a business risk at the price ACL want. "The revenue potential is too unclear." Key points were:

IEC/Compass contract(s): She freely admitted that after multiple meetings and attempted explanations, she was still in the dark as to how it worked. The length of the contract was also a big worry.

I guess she's figured out the Compass deal now.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #118
Hallelujah! Isn't it about time we stopped all this sports stadium messing about??? All this ball-kicking nonsense???
The real sport takes place in the Court Arenas of this world where intellectuals exchange banter for vast sums of money instead of those street urchins in ungainly & unbecoming brightly coloured uniforms, cheered on by the watching rabble. The Court Arena is far more dignified, ordered & often better than the dire entertainment (???) of "The beautiful game"


PUSB
 

Calista

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 16, 2014
  • #119
I think I’ve got it.

A is owned equally by B and C. B and C each have the right to veto the sale of the other’s shares to anyone they don’t like. In hard times, C sells its 50% share to D, and as part of the deal C gets a contractual right (with B’s full knowledge) to buy the shares back from D (subject to conditions).

C nearly goes into administration, but is rescued by E. Nobody knows who owns E. At some point, C enters into liquidation, as part of a complex and tedious process by which E extricates itself from any obligations to A (which it would like to own), leaving E with just the bits of C that it wants.

B, D and E spend a couple of years in a three-cornered fight in court. Neither B nor D want to sell their part of A to E, which E thinks is not fair.

B suddenly announces, controversially, that it is selling its 50% share of A to F. D says it wants to sell its 50% share of A to F too. But under the terms of the earlier contract, D gives C thirty days to make an offer for its half of A. E say they own the bit of C which has the rights to buy D’s half of A, but D say that the rights still belong to C. Some people say that even if E (through C) matches F’s offer, B or F might veto the sale of half of A to C (and therefore to E) despite the contract that D previously made with C.

Apparently, G and H also want to buy C (or at least C’s contract with D), so that they too can make a bid for D’s half of A. Some believe that B and/or D might somehow be colluding with G and/or H, whilst others think that E might have had some bizarre arrangement with G (or even F) all along.

And to think that we only used to have the football to entertain us.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #120
TBF those tweets have been covered on here for a couple of weeks ,the only valid one states that they have registered an interest with Mr Appleton .


Edit ;- We all know the Barriers.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #121
mattylad said:
Its a bloody mess already, rumours today that Wasps don't even have the financial backing in place to complete even the first part of this deal let alone the full purchase of all 100%
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Best possible news for us if there's anything to that. It would now be clear what SISU need to pay and I don't think anyone has argued Wasps are paying over the odds, if anything people are saying the opposite.

if the Wasps deal collapses SISU can just step in with an identical offer. There's no way SISU could claim they don't know the value to bid and no way CCC could justify turning down a bid that's identical to one that's already been accepted.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #122
Grendel said:
It's not hard to see why.
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I haven't got time to read the whole thread at the moment

I have seen SISU are bidding for the liquidated company as they were encouraged to if they wanted the Higgs share.

The liquidator can only agree to it if it is in the best interests of the main creditor, Higgs Charity?

So I am guessing they have to pay more than 2.77 million for it to be on the best interests of ACL?

There maybe a power of Veto that is transferred to wasps, If it is not transferred to wasps is it with the council?

Say SISU offer 5 million, the council could not Veto the charity getting significantly more funds, as long as it was payment up front?

You say it will be veto'ed, I assume you mean by wasps? If that us the case then I don't understand why they would bid.

Explain if you know as I can't get time to read through everything at the moment
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #123
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Not really after all you have pointed out on numerous occassions that its worthless so therefore they would be throwing good money after bad and I for one dont want Sisu to lose any more of their cash. I mean what the hell are they thinking, paying good money for a "souless" "concrete monstrosity" in Holbrooks no no no no no:facepalm:
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Classic
 
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Godiva

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #124
dongonzalos said:
I haven't got time to read the whole thread at the moment

I have seen SISU are bidding for the liquidated company as they were encouraged to if they wanted the Higgs share.

The liquidator can only agree to it if it is in the best interests of the main creditor, Higgs Charity?

So I am guessing they have to pay more than 2.77 million for it to be on the best interests of ACL?

There maybe a power of Veto that is transferred to wasps, If it is not transferred to wasps is it with the council?

Say SISU offer 5 million, the council could not Veto the charity getting significantly more funds, as long as it was payment up front?

You say it will be veto'ed, I assume you mean by wasps? If that us the case then I don't understand why they would bid.

Explain if you know as I can't get time to read through everything at the moment
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I think the main creditors are ARVO (sisu) and ACL ... not Higgs. I don't believe they owe Higgs anything.
And the twist is that most of what they pay to the creditors will come back to them (sisu) providing they end up getting all shares in ACL.

Higgs probably won't get more from sisu (or anyone else) than they will get from Wasp.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #125
chiefdave said:
Best possible news for us if there's anything to that. It would now be clear what SISU need to pay and I don't think anyone has argued Wasps are paying over the odds, if anything people are saying the opposite.

if the Wasps deal collapses SISU can just step in with an identical offer. There's no way SISU could claim they don't know the value to bid and no way CCC could justify turning down a bid that's identical to one that's already been accepted.
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...until they read the small print. SISU would definitely add something detrimental to the small print!


PUSB
 

standupforcity

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #126
Otis said:
Well ... sort of. Would say everyone needs to support CCFC on this one and that course would mean Sisu being successful.

People need to get Sisu out of their minds and just think about Coventry City Football Club. It's that simple.
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To me this is the key! As football fans, not political commentators, it just might be the right thing to do. Fact is we're stuck with sisu, so I'm not going to let them spoil my day or rent space in my head!
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #127
Godiva said:
I think the main creditors are ARVO (sisu) and ACL ... not Higgs. I don't believe they owe Higgs anything.
And the twist is that most of what they pay to the creditors will come back to them (sisu) providing they end up getting all shares in ACL.

Higgs probably won't get more from sisu (or anyone else) than they will get from Wasp.
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Now you have really messed with my head.
Why then when Wasps do the same thing does 2.77 go to Higgs.
Or is that only when the liquidation goes through.
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #128
The bizarre habit of people pointing out that owners aren't from here or even FOREIGN seems redundant, as if 'Coventry-based hedge fund' would mean you won't still be rammed hard in the arse.
 

Otis

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  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #129
standupforcity said:
To me this is the key! As football fans, not political commentators, it just might be the right thing to do. Fact is we're stuck with sisu, so I'm not going to let them spoil my day or rent space in my head!
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They wouldn't want to rent the space though, they would want your whole head.
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #130
ajsccfc said:
The bizarre habit of people pointing out that owners aren't from here or even FOREIGN seems redundant, as if 'Coventry-based hedge fund' would mean you won't still be rammed hard in the arse.
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Whoosh.. you miss the point, it is not the exact location that matters it is the fact that they are there so their dealings are opaque that is the issue.
 
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Godiva

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  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #131
dongonzalos said:
Now you have really messed with my head.
Why then when Wasps do the same thing does 2.77 go to Higgs.
Or is that only when the liquidation goes through.
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I didn't mean to mess with your head. Sorry about that.
The £2.77m is the price Wasp is expected to pay Higgs for their shares in ACL.
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #132
lets hope it happens, football club needs a piece of the ricoh pie.

if wasps kick up a fuss let them take on sisu in court, sisu got rid of council maybe they can do same vs wasps
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #133
Jack Griffin said:
Whoosh.. you miss the point, it is not the exact location that matters it is the fact that they are there so their dealings are opaque that is the issue.
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The exact location not mattering is the point.

'They're from the Cayman Islands'
'Oh yeah? These guys are from Malta!'
'What about that Mayfair-based hedge fund'
'These guys operate from my nan's house'

It's impenetrable and shifty regardless.
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #134
mattylad said:
Its a bloody mess already, rumours today that Wasps don't even have the financial backing in place to complete even the first part of this deal let alone the full purchase of all 100%
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Matty, this is interesting, but where have you heard these rumours. I haven't read anything in the press, or on the internet to suggest such a thing...also I have seen nothing to suggest this on the WAsps forum either. Does it have some substance or is it just pub talk?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #135
Surely if they didn't have the money they wouldn't have had a maybe press day? Wouldn't proof of funds be needed?
 
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Godiva

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #136
covcity4life said:
lets hope it happens, football club needs a piece of the ricoh pie.

if wasps kick up a fuss let them take on sisu in court, sisu got rid of council maybe they can do same vs wasps
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I fail to see any scenario where Wasp can take sisu to court.

Some might think 'what about beneficial ownership?', but I believe that is to be decided by the liquidator. If he finds SBS&L have beneficial ownership over the option to Higgs shares in ACL and Wasp disagree, then Wasp can bring that decision to court.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #137
Nick said:
Surely if they didn't have the money they wouldn't have had a maybe press day? Wouldn't proof of funds be needed?
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But didn't Joe Dhinsa hold press conferences and hire hotels for meeting rooms and have Gerard Houlier lined up as manager?
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #138
Godiva said:
I fail to see any scenario where Wasp can take sisu to court.

Some might think 'what about beneficial ownership?', but I believe that is to be decided by the liquidator. If he finds SBS&L have beneficial ownership over the option to Higgs shares in ACL and Wasp disagree, then Wasp can bring that decision to court.
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Can I just ask, Godiva, why you keep calling them Wasp? Do you feel that you hold them in such disdain that you believe they don't warrant the extra 'S' at the end of their name?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #139
Otis said:
Can I just ask, Godiva, why you keep calling them Wasp? Do you feel that you hold them in such disdain that you believe they don't warrant the extra 'S' at the end of their name?
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They don't deserve that s, scumbags
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 17, 2014
  • #140
Hobo said:
Matty, this is interesting, but where have you heard these rumours. I haven't read anything in the press, or on the internet to suggest such a thing...also I have seen nothing to suggest this on the WAsps forum either. Does it have some substance or is it just pub talk?
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It may not be directly related, but before the deal was struck I believe Simon Gilbert posted a piece in the Telegraph that suggested they hadn't yet secured all funds, but this was prior to the deal being signed, and the probability is it that it was sorted out prior to the deal.

Things could have changed since then, or not, it depends on what investment you are relying on, and from whom it is secured? That's hedge funds for you
 
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