RoboCCFC90
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Jukie was sold in the transfer window of 2012 and Keogh in the summer, pretty sure Ranson left in March 11'
Weren't sold whilst he was here, which is what your argument is about him being so great.
Are we supposed to celbrate selling players now then in order to praise Ranson?
Thought this thread was generally dedicated to the opposite?
And of course not signed by Ranson.
Best had 6 months left on his contract and would have left for nothing. £1.5m Newcastle paid for him was a good fee in the circumstances.
Best,bigi???
The fact is they would sell anyone of any value,thats all they've done since they've been here.They sold best when we had an outside chance of the playoffs.Why did they sell juke?
And of course not signed by Ranson.
Weren't sold whilst he was here, which is what your argument is about him being so great.
Are we supposed to celbrate selling players now then in order to praise Ranson?
Thought this thread was generally dedicated to the opposite?
Who was that?
Best was signed before Ranson arrived, so he can't be held accountable to a profitable turnaround on the player. Gunnarsson could be counted though.
the fact is, we made money on the Ranson-era transfers. I'm not actually - if you refer back - saying he wasn't incompetent. Just that if you do classify him as such, how would those who have followed him be classified?
We're a league lower, with a percentage of the crowds, playing in another town, and haven't - as far as I can tell - made money on a single player signed since Ranson left the club.
So, even if we agree he's incompetent. What about his successors?
It was when ranson was here.
Sorry I should have been more clearer, who was the player we sold when we had an outisde chance of the play-offs?
I'm not saying that they are anything like competent, but any attempt, even slightly, to absolve Ranson of any responsibilty, makes my blood boil.
However we could possibly discount the profit made on Bigi anyway, as he wouldn't have even been here if Ranson, hoffman's and Elliotts plan to disband the Academy in 2008 had been allowed to go ahead.
Best. Undisclossed fee as normal.
You'll note I didn't include Turner too - for that very reason.
I am, to repeat again, no Ranson fan. But his era did sign players that were sold, as far as can be differentiated by virtue of 'undisclosed fees', at a net profit for the club throughout his term.
When you look at the totality of the losses at the club, given we at least washed our own faces on transfers in and out for three-and-a-half years, the balance that has been overseen by his successors is all the more disgusting
When Leon was sold we were 14th 8 points off of the Play-Off places and had played two more games then teams above us such as Preston and Leicester and one more than the majority of the teams.
I am not sure we had a chance maybe slim, however had we of done a deal for Leon Best at the beginning of January instead of leaving it until deadline day we may have been able to fund a suitable replacement, but given we only had Clinton Morereasons, Gypo and for a time Jon Stead, I personally don't see it being strong enough at the top end to be able to get us goals we needed. Had we of kept Leon Best you never know, but we weren't the highest scorers and we conceded more goals frequently so I would of said we would miss out by 3 places or so on the play-offs.
Transfers are only part of the story though,
Some of the huge wages paid to very average(at best) players were unsustainable.
Ruthless Ray's famed negotiating skills seemed to desert him when it came to dealing with players agents.
He was only one of many faces who failed to deliver this basic mantra from a 'debt free' beginning
The season before, with Best, Dann, Fox, Westwood, Gunnarsson, and Turner we only finished 19th, 16 points off the play-offs.
The incompetence of appointing Coleman scuppered any chances that a decent squad of players had.
The season before Best was sold we finished 17th, 20 points off the Play-Offs.
I think that was the season before?
The season we sold Leon Best we finished 19th and 16 points off the Play-Off's the season before that (When we played Chelsea at the Ricoh, with Dann and the likes in our squad) we finished 17th, 20 points off.
Jutkiewitz? Keogh? Don't they count?
Transfers are only part of the story though,
Some of the huge wages paid to very average(at best) players were unsustainable.
Ruthless Ray's famed negotiating skills seemed to desert him when it came to dealing with players agents.
This is the biggest mystery to me. I clearly remember at the time us having one of the lowest wage structures in the league. Stories of Eastwood on £1k, McIndoe saying we ha the third worst budget in the league. Newly promoted teams outbidding us on wages, us bein unable to stop players leaving because we can't offer better wages.
Yet still, apparently, we were massively overspending.
His era signed players who increased in value. That hasn't been replicated since. If you hold him responsible for the financial mess - or even a percentage of it; how bad would it be if he'd have signed as those who followed him? And it was you who bought Ranson into this thread, and threw about words like 'incompetent'; yet - despite two invitations to do so - have yet to offer an appropriate label to those who have bought much more sorrow to our doors
No as Ranson had departed before either of those two were sold.
At least read the thread before posting something you believe is smart, but within context is quite the opposite
This is the biggest mystery to me. I clearly remember at the time us having one of the lowest wage structures in the league. Stories of Eastwood on £1k, McIndoe saying we ha the third worst budget in the league. Newly promoted teams outbidding us on wages, us bein unable to stop players leaving because we can't offer better wages.
Yet still, apparently, we were massively overspending.
It might be all well and good that Ranson allowed managers to bring in players that stock rised and we managed to make profit on, but had Ranson brought in a manager who could have got these players to fulfill there potential as a team then we may have been talking under a different scenario.
At least read the thread before posting something you believe is smart, but within context is quite the opposite
Not quite non-league
Stop throwing your toys out of the pram because you've been shown to be talking bollocks again, old fruit.
I didn't dear chap. Just pointed out you made a fool of yourself by not reading back through the thread and having an understanding of the context of my comment. Which - for the purposes of clarity - was that Ranson's era was characterised by players signed who ultimately were sold at profit. So, a player signed by his 'team' and sold after his departure would still be classified thus
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