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Legals Update This Week / SISU Lose chance to appeal (1 Viewer)

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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #1
Ricoh Arena row: Update from Supreme Court

Can they appeal again if it gets rejected?
 

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #2
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Ricoh Arena row: Update from Supreme Court

Can they appeal again if it gets rejected?
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They may be able to appeal to the European Court but even if not i'd think they could launch a civil case if they think they have grounds to.
 

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #3
I actually don't think they can appeal to the ECJ, it would be for the Supreme Court to refer the matter to them if they felt it was required. Assuming that the SC does not refer anything then I think SISU would be out of chances to appeal and would be looking at a civil action or nothing.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #4
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon said:
I actually don't think they can appeal to the ECJ, it would be for the Supreme Court to refer the matter to them if they felt it was required. Assuming that the SC does not refer anything then I think SISU would be out of chances to appeal and would be looking at a civil action or nothing.
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That would be my understanding too

Just a thought but if SISU appeal kicked out doesn't that mean there are no legals going on ....... perhaps an opportunity to talk?
 
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Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #5
oldskyblue58 said:
That would be my understanding too

Just a thought but if SISU appeal kicked out doesn't that mean there are no legals going on ....... perhaps an opportunity to talk?
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It does but Wasps would presumably demand an undertaking for SISU to desist with any future cases related to their ownership of the Ricoh....which they might just refuse to give.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #6
true but it is a chink of light ................
 
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Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #7
oldskyblue58 said:
true but it is a chink of light ................
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Definitely! I wouldn't be surprised if they launched a civil action but equally I wouldn't say it was a certainty. If they don't then presumably there is very, very little to stop at least a short-term deal being agreed at the Ricoh. Of course if SISU are no longer hitting CCC with legal cases it might be that they have less leverage to push for a land-deal for a stadium of their own (although having legals in place doesn't appear to be helping them on that score anyway!).
 

Tommo72

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #8
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon said:
Definitely! I wouldn't be surprised if they launched a civil action but equally I wouldn't say it was a certainty. If they don't then presumably there is very, very little to stop at least a short-term deal being agreed at the Ricoh. Of course if SISU are no longer hitting CCC with legal cases it might be that they have less leverage to push for a land-deal for a stadium of their own (although having legals in place doesn't appear to be helping them on that score anyway!).
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Lost it.
 

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letsallsingtogether

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #9
Tommo72 said:
Lost it.
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Was there ever any doubt.
Even Sisu knew that is why they said they would drop legals.
The others just played it out to try and prove a point .
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #10
So as it stands, there's no legals so deal by the end of the day for the Ricoh
 
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Tommo72

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #11
Now what?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #12
Tommo72 said:
Now what?
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Block 14 knocking out away fans again next season
 
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Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #13
Tommo72 said:
Lost it.
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I wonder what, in the secrecy of his own office, Dave Boddy's reaction would have been to this?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #14
Hopefully this is a watershed moment and the opportunity for a change in strategic direction is taken
 
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Tommo72

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #15
Nick said:
Block 14 knocking out away fans again next season
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Could we stay at The Ricoh....?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #16
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon said:
I wonder what, in the secrecy of his own office, Dave Boddy's reaction would have been to this?
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BigadamL

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #17
Please please please let this be the end of it? Wonder if the football club and wasps have already some sort of deal sorted and now they can present it to SISU
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #18
Tommo72 said:
Could we stay at The Ricoh....?
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The legals are "dropped" now So theoretically.
 
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #19
Well Wasps can not at present say stop the legal actions and we talk.... there are none (yes i know there may be in future but that could be dealt with in any draft agreement as a condition) They could offer heads of terms dependent on no more legals

SISU can choose to stop the legal actions ...... or they could say no we go again and undo all the gains they made of late. So far the two JR cases have both been described as unarguable including this latest appeal

CCC can not hide behind legals either but could ramp up the "show us the right & proper evidence for any site"

It is an opportunity but it wont last for ever
 
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cc84cov

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #20
YESSSSSSS !!! Finally a decision
 

skybluegod

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #21
Surely signing an agreement that says 'no more legals' just puts us in a very weak position should Wasps decide to shaft us down the line?
 
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oucho

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #22
I thought this would happen. Now I hope Wasps will agree to open talks for a new tenancy agreement and we can put this whole sorry saga behind us.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #23
oldskyblue58 said:
Well Wasps can not at present say stop the legal actions and we talk.... there are none (yes i know there may be in future but that could be dealt with in any draft agreement as a condition) They could offer heads of terms dependent on no more legals

SISU can choose to stop the legal actions ...... or they could say no we go again and undo all the gains they made of late. So far the two JR cases have both been described as unarguable including this latest appeal

CCC can not hide behind legals either but could ramp up the "show us the right & proper evidence for any site"

It is an opportunity but it wont last for ever
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Are SISU already thinking about leverage in their negotiations with Wasps (recognising the likelihood of an increase in rent) as in having an alternative in the city? Is that what you were getting at earlier?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #24
skybluegod said:
Surely signing an agreement that says 'no more legals' just puts us in a very weak position should Wasps decide to shaft us down the line?
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I doubt very much SISU or anybody else would sign up to an agreement to waive their rights. There would always be dispute resolution rights under a contract.
 

cc84cov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #25
Do we think it’s possible Sisu will go down the European Court of appeal route next ?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #26
Instead of paying the lawyers, pay a PR company who could probably do more damage to Wasps while getting everybody back on with CCFC
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #27
Nick said:
Instead of paying the lawyers, pay a PR company who could probably do more damage to Wasps while getting everybody back on with CCFC
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Other than council jack of course
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #28
fernandopartridge said:
Are SISU already thinking about leverage in their negotiations with Wasps (recognising the likelihood of an increase in rent) as in having an alternative in the city? Is that what you were getting at earlier?
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partly but also from the fans pressure to stay at Ricoh now there are no current legals ....... so Butts alternative put out there. If they go again with the legals and no option at BPA that would be a disaster. For now Wasps & CCC are in a position that they will feel UK courts have proven them vindicated and that SISU have never had an arguable case

Basically the only thing that SISU have had in the last year is to manage PR to their advantage, to hope fans pressure could be built. They have done that better this time round. What they do next is key. The worry i have is that it has always been about their investment not the club
 
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Warwickhunt

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #29
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon said:
Definitely! I wouldn't be surprised if they launched a civil action but equally I wouldn't say it was a certainty. If they don't then presumably there is very, very little to stop at least a short-term deal being agreed at the Ricoh. Of course if SISU are no longer hitting CCC with legal cases it might be that they have less leverage to push for a land-deal for a stadium of their own (although having legals in place doesn't appear to be helping them on that score anyway!).
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They still have a Civil case to bring if CCC do not co-operate?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #30
Grendel said:
Other than council jack of course
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He can follow Cov Utd to Daventry.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #31
This won't be the end...
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #32
Deleted member 5849 said:
This won't be the end...
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i think you are most probably right
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #33
fernandopartridge said:
Hopefully this is a watershed moment and the opportunity for a change in strategic direction is taken
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

HA!
 
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Warwickhunt

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #34
oldskyblue58 said:
Well Wasps can not at present say stop the legal actions and we talk.... there are none (yes i know there may be in future but that could be dealt with in any draft agreement as a condition) They could offer heads of terms dependent on no more legals

SISU can choose to stop the legal actions ...... or they could say no we go again and undo all the gains they made of late. So far the two JR cases have both been described as unarguable including this latest appeal

CCC can not hide behind legals either but could ramp up the "show us the right & proper evidence for any site"

It is an opportunity but it wont last for ever
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OSB could they sign an agreement of no more legals naming WASPs as an interested party? (Still gives them option to chase CCC)
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 16, 2019
  • #35
letsallsingtogether said:
Was there ever any doubt.
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This is the most consistent run of results we’ve ever had!
 
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