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covcity4life

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  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #246
rob9872 said:
The difference was that your parents came to work and for better opportunities for their future generations. Many now see it as an easy option to freeloading.

In fact you probably have retained some of your parents work ethic if you are second generation. I don't know if you have kids yet, but in my experience third generation British Asians are used to a nice lifestyle and are as lazy as their white British friends and relatives.

Tbf a lot of Polish and Czech people here now are if similar mindsetand make great employees.

It seems some others and usually men who travel without families are the biggest problem.
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Yeah 3rd generation British Asians are very different to 1st and 2nd when it comes to work ethic lol

Rather sit on games consoles and Snapchat all day lol
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #247
rob9872 said:
The difference was that your parents came to work and for better opportunities for their future generations. Many now see it as an easy option to freeloading
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The statistics just don't bear that out though.
 
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nicksar

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #248
rob9872 said:
The difference was that your parents came to work and for better opportunities for their future generations. Many now see it as an easy option to freeloading.

In fact you probably have retained some of your parents work ethic if you are second generation. I don't know if you have kids yet, but in my experience third generation British Asians are used to a nice lifestyle and are as lazy as their white British friends and relatives.

Tbf a lot of Polish and Czech people here now are if similar mindsetand make great employees.

It seems some others and usually men who travel without families are the biggest problem.
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I have a couple of Polish friends, great blokes and very hard workers they have built up a thriving car sales & repair business.
 
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Como

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  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #249

Woman arrested in Leeds after car ‘set alight’ with children inside

Police hold 19-year-old on suspicion of arson after two children rescued from burning vehicle
www.theguardian.com
 
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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #250
Como said:

Woman arrested in Leeds after car ‘set alight’ with children inside

Police hold 19-year-old on suspicion of arson after two children rescued from burning vehicle
www.theguardian.com
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Awful.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #251
nicksar said:
I have a couple of Polish friends, great blokes and very hard workers they have built up a thriving car sales & repair business.
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Much like the Romanians and Albanians who’ve been coming to live and work in Italy for decades, yet they’re demonised by the media in the UK and it inevitably gets lapped up.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #252
Deleted member 5849 said:
The statistics just don't bear that out though.
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Some do
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #253
covcity4life said:
Yeah 3rd generation British Asians are very different to 1st and 2nd when it comes to work ethic lol

Rather sit on games consoles and Snapchat all day lol
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It's not something exclusive to British Asians. If anything it's reflective of people actually integrating into British society.
 
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covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #254
Sick Boy said:
It's not something exclusive to British Asians.
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100 percent it isn't. I see it from all the kids at school no matter background
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #255
covcity4life said:
100 percent it isn't. I see it from all the kids at school no matter background
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What I mean is that the children of immigrants are more likely to have that kind of work ethic as they've seen their own parents struggle and it gets passed down to them.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #256
Deleted member 5849 said:
The statistics just don't bear that out though.
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About freeloading?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #257
Deleted member 5849 said:
The statistics just don't bear that out though.
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It's exactly what the statistics say. You've also got someone on here who is a British Asian reinforcing this.

Sick Boy said:
Much like the Romanians and Albanians who’ve been coming to live and work in Italy for decades, yet they’re demonised by the media in the UK and it inevitably gets lapped up.
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They're demonised in the media because of the astronomical rates of crime that are committed by them, not to mention their overrepresentation in the prison system. Albanians in particular control a lot of the drug and trafficking market in the UK. If the same was happening in Albania by British citizens I doubt anyone would be on here defending them.

Unfortunately that also means the many who are hard workers get the label, but anyone with a pinch of common sense should be able to decipher the difference.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #258
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It's exactly what the statistics say. You've also got someone on here who is a British Asian reinforcing this.



They're demonised in the media because of the astronomical rates of crime that are committed by them, not to mention their overrepresentation in the prison system. Albanians in particular control a lot of the drug and trafficking market in the UK. If the same was happening in Albania by British citizens I doubt anyone would be on here defending them.

Unfortunately that also means the many who are hard workers get the label, but anyone with a pinch of common sense should be able to decipher the difference.
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The Ndrangheta controls 80% of the cocaine trade into Europe. Using that logic it’s like lumping Italians into the same bracket as them, which is just ridiculous.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #259
Sick Boy said:
The Ndrangheta controls 80% of the cocaine trade into Europe. Using that logic it’s like lumping Italians into the same bracket as them, which is just ridiculous.
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The Albanians are there partners.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #260
clint van damme said:
The Albanians are there partners.
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They work for them. The Ndrangheta is a lot more powerful.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #261
Sick Boy said:
The Ndrangheta controls 80% of the cocaine trade into Europe. Using that logic it’s like lumping Italians into the same bracket as them, which is just ridiculous.
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Albanian gangs have significant control over UK cocaine market, says crime agency

Deputy director general says violent criminals pose significant threat with danger innocent people could be hurt
www.theguardian.com
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #262
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:

Albanian gangs have significant control over UK cocaine market, says crime agency

Deputy director general says violent criminals pose significant threat with danger innocent people could be hurt
www.theguardian.com
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Yeah…the UK market. They’re not the ones bringing it into Europe.

The average Albanian has as much to do with the drug trade as the average Italian.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #263
Sick Boy said:
They work for them. The Ndrangheta is a lot more powerful.
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They're definitely the senior partner but from what I've read it's the closet collaboration they've had outside of their own circles.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #264
clint van damme said:
They're definitely the senior partner but from what I've read it's the closet collaboration they've had outside of their own circles.
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Yeah it’s mutually beneficial and takes away risks from their ‘legal’ enterprises.
 

nicksar

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #265
My wife once had a Romanian lady that managed the place she worked at and she was a nice person,the only Albanian i've personally (knowingly) met was the barber I used (he's not in the shop anymore) he was a shit hot barber though and a nice lad.
There are good and bad in all nationalities....I've known some utter scumbag white British people in my 70 years.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #266
Sick Boy said:
Yeah…the UK market. They’re not the ones bringing it into Europe.

The average Albanian has as much to do with the drug trade as the average Italian.
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How does the number of albanians in prison in the UK compare to the number in society?

Of course it's not saying every person who is albanian is a drug dealer but it's silly to just write things like this off.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #267
Nick said:
How does the number of albanians in prison in the UK compare to the number in society?

Of course it's not saying every person who is albanian is a drug dealer but it's silly to just write things like this off.
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I have no idea. I’m going off my own real life experiences in a country where they’ve been encouraged to live and work for decades and are integrated into society.

There was the same said about Romanians around 2004 when they could live and work in Britain.
 
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SBAndy

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #268
rob9872 said:
The difference was that your parents came to work and for better opportunities for their future generations. Many now see it as an easy option to freeloading.

In fact you probably have retained some of your parents work ethic if you are second generation. I don't know if you have kids yet, but in my experience third generation British Asians are used to a nice lifestyle and are as lazy as their white British friends and relatives.

Tbf a lot of Polish and Czech people here now are if similar mindsetand make great employees.

It seems some others and usually men who travel without families are the biggest problem.
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I’m merely musing here, but could it be because they needed to integrate more? I’d imagine the various ethnic populations of the UK were a lot lower previously, so a) there wasn’t any particular ‘go-to’ location/estate, and b) they had to get to know Dave next door and Janet over the street unless they wanted to live a lonely existence. This may be miles off, I wasn’t around.

Nowadays people coming over from, as an example, Bangladesh, are far more likely to either know people over here, or know of a particular Bangladeshi community they could move to. This, I suppose, perpetuates the problem.

As I say, a lot of the above is guesswork but logically seems to make sense.
 
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Diogenes

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  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #269
nicksar said:
My wife once had a Romanian lady that managed the place she worked at and she was a nice person,the only Albanian i've personally (knowingly) met was the barber I used (he's not in the shop anymore) he was a shit hot barber though and a nice lad.
There are good and bad in all nationalities....I've known some utter scumbag white British people in my 70 years.
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Of course you have, everyone has met utter scumbag white British people. There's plenty of them about. We have all I'm sure met wonderful people of differing nationalities. That's where statistics come in handy rather than anecdotal evidence.




Whites are actually under represented in the prison system. Whereas black/black British and Muslims are overrepresented relative to their % of the British population.




At the last census there were 28000 Albanians residing in the UK. If we double that to adjust for population growth to 56000 it would mean that 2.2 of Albanians in the UK end up in prison. That's huge compared the 0.15% of the rest of the population.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #270
In Italy there are around 450,000 Albanians and just under 1,900 Albanians in prison.

They’ve been encouraged to live and work in the country for decades and are integrated.
 
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covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #271
SBAndy said:
I’m merely musing here, but could it be because they needed to integrate more? I’d imagine the various ethnic populations of the UK were a lot lower previously, so a) there wasn’t any particular ‘go-to’ location/estate, and b) they had to get to know Dave next door and Janet over the street unless they wanted to live a lonely existence. This may be miles off, I wasn’t around.

Nowadays people coming over from, as an example, Bangladesh, are far more likely to either know people over here, or know of a particular Bangladeshi community they could move to. This, I suppose, perpetuates the problem.

As I say, a lot of the above is guesswork but logically seems to make sense.
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I think this is pretty much spot on tbh. It's no longer essential to learn the language or speak to anyone outside the community. You can get by without. Shouldn't be that way
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #272
wingy said:
I've just been to the opticians, returned to find my fence adorned with next doors rug's, not any more!
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #273
Sky Blue Pete said:
Which?
Scandinavia??
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I do hope you’re not including Sweden in that.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #274
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
I do hope you’re not including Sweden in that.
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I’m just asking
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #275
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m just asking
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Really ?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #276
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Really ?
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Yeah Grendel said something earlier in the thread
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #277
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yeah Grendel said something earlier in the thread
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The lowest are Sweden Norway and Denmark in Europe
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #278
Grendel said:
The lowest are Sweden Norway and Denmark in Europe
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Thanks mate
 
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Ashdown

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  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #279
SBAndy said:
I’m merely musing here, but could it be because they needed to integrate more? I’d imagine the various ethnic populations of the UK were a lot lower previously, so a) there wasn’t any particular ‘go-to’ location/estate, and b) they had to get to know Dave next door and Janet over the street unless they wanted to live a lonely existence. This may be miles off, I wasn’t around.

Nowadays people coming over from, as an example, Bangladesh, are far more likely to either know people over here, or know of a particular Bangladeshi community they could move to. This, I suppose, perpetuates the problem.

As I say, a lot of the above is guesswork but logically seems to make sense.
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You’re bang on and this if we are not careful will be the end of England and its culture as we know it. Not now, not next year but not too far into the future if they don’t halt the numbers.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 20, 2024
  • #280
Ashdown said:
You’re bang on and this if we are not careful will be the end of England and its culture as we know it. Not now, not next year but not too far into the future if they don’t halt the numbers.
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This is a racist statement.
 
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