I expect a laugh emoji from this forum's most crazed racist and bigot but... we have, in many ways... but we can do more, of course we can do more. Society can always improve.
We have a melting pot of cuisines, a variety that was unheard of for years. We have introductions of a variety of festivals that enrich us - pop along to Pride in Leamington in August for one. We showcase the best of people and allow them an opportunity, and we take on the best of other cultures and areas and tend to accept people whatever their sexuality, gender, race. Some don't, of course...
But... there is a tendency in certain places to ghetto-ise, where people of one community end up dominant with no counter-voice. Now you can see that at all levels... there are a number of country villages around Coventry that used to have a wide variety of agricultural workers, workers in the factories in Cov, the landowners, the council tenants... housing policy over a period of years means that that variety disappears, those villages become more homogenised as full of upper-middle class with no reference point... and it's fear of the unknown that causes most issues... and I can say that from direct involvement in researching various communities!
So then you throw a community, whatever community in one place and it allows ideas to become magnified, including dubious opinions. It ferments distrust on all sides, causes issues. We also don't do enough work in integrating people and, maybe more importantly, making them feel like they want to be integrated. Check the nuance there though, I'm not saying people should wait but it's the same as youth groups etc who need a place to function and what we, as a nation, don't do is try and unify society... and we haven't for a number of years.
Once people talk, there tends to be less issue because, well, people are people. That also allows less opportunity for radicalisation.
You're paranoid and mad! Seriously, for yout own sake Get. Help.
Yep bang onAnd why would they? Horrendously under-funded police, prisons virtually at capacity. Fair chance you won’t get prosecuted and, if you do, they can’t do much about it. Not isolated to this, of course. There’s a societal-level lack of respect for authority and part of this comes from the knowledge that authority doesn’t have the capacity or capability to do much.
Mmmmmmit comes from poor parenting
But you guys are great parents of courseSurely it's the government's fault a bloke went out leaving kids at home and his baby ended up with a fractured skull? Then it's social services fault for taking the kids. It's everybody else's apart from the cunts who don't know who to behave it seems.
No youth clubs, kids out stabbing but the parents call them angels and defend them.
90% of the issues are due to parenting.
Makes it OK then? Not their fault for behaving like it, governments.
If the police would have steamed in and arrested them all they would be classed as racist anyway.
If they knew they would be on the first flight back to romania I'm sure it would be a deterrent.
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My dad was a fucker I’ve done ok
But you guys are great parents of course
But you guys are great parents of course
People have to want to be integrated though?
Culworth Court has become ghettoised as you say, to the point there are eastern European beggars outside each shop, rubbish thrown everywhere etc.
Surely people who move to the country have to adjust to the culture rather than just carrying on as they were and being allowed to? (This goes for brits moving abroad also)
Best contribution I've seen on this site, to be fair.I expect a laugh emoji from this forum's most crazed racist and bigot but... we have, in many ways... but we can do more, of course we can do more. Society can always improve.
We have a melting pot of cuisines, a variety that was unheard of for years. We have introductions of a variety of festivals that enrich us - pop along to Pride in Leamington in August for one. We showcase the best of people and allow them an opportunity, and we take on the best of other cultures and areas and tend to accept people whatever their sexuality, gender, race. Some don't, of course... but you need to create a situation where it's harder for them to get a voice that's heard.
But... there is a tendency in certain places to ghetto-ise, where people of one community end up dominant with no counter-voice. Now you can see that at all levels... there are a number of country villages around Coventry that used to have a wide variety of agricultural workers, workers in the factories in Cov, the landowners, the council tenants... housing policy over a period of years means that that variety disappears, those villages become more homogenised as full of upper-middle class with no reference point... and it's fear of the unknown that causes most issues... and I can say that from direct involvement in researching various communities!
So then you throw a community, whatever community in one place and it allows ideas to become magnified, including dubious opinions. It ferments distrust on all sides, causes issues. We also don't do enough work in integrating people and, maybe more importantly, making them feel like they want to be integrated. Check the nuance there though, I'm not saying people should wait but it's the same as youth groups etc who need a place to function and what we, as a nation, don't do is try and unify society... and we haven't for a number of years.
Once people talk, there tends to be less issue because, well, people are people. That also allows less opportunity for radicalisation.
They do, you're right. But we don't even meet people halfway nowadays in giving opportunity sometimes. And yes, some won't want to be but that's why you have to spread it out, stop that particular voice taking hold.People have to want to be integrated though?
So I’d agree that there is a small minority of parents like that possibly 10-15% at mostPeople who have feral kids because they can get away with anything they want.
Even in the videos yesterday, parents are encouraging kids to smash police cars. I wouldn't dare, even at 40 to do shit like that if my mum was about.
You see people going out and getting stabbed, drug dealing etc and their parents are kicking off with the police and saying their kids did nothing wrong.
They are feral.
They do, you're right. But we don't even meet people halfway nowadays in giving opportunity sometimes. And yes, some won't want to be but that's why you have to spread it out, stop that particular voice taking hold.
I mean it's a very different scenario but when I was in a community in the UK with the majority being Japanese, Thai, Chinese etc... it was them who went to the theatre, cinema, opera, pop concerts... the British stayed drinking in the pub.
They were integrating as best they could and, maybe more importantly, they had the financial means to do so. But there was still plenty of get out of this place, this isn't your home directed at them along with some passive aggressive racism.
And yes, I'd also fund language courses and make it compulsory that everyone who wishes to settle long term in this country can speak the language and goes to those lessons (as bad as people who move to Spain and are able to ask for una beer)... but that's sometimes made hard because we make it hard too - I can think of a group of Bosnian refugees who were just thrown into a primary school class, not knowing a word of English, and expected to somehow catch up - can't imagine why they all bonded together as a group(!)
In every bit of society you'll get no hope shits... everywhere. But we need policies to make sure their voice is margial, not shouting loud at others who might be liable to be influenced. Merge it together and yeah you still have the hardcore racists and the dangerous Islamists... but they're less able to take control.
So I’d agree that there is a small minority of parents like that possibly 10-15% at most
Ok and you know the admiration I hold you inMy daughter won't be out smashing up police cars and wasn't left alone as a baby to get a fractured skull.
What's your point?
Because they were too busy fleeing the shelling of their country and the ethnic cleansing... and there's more which I really can't put on this forum.Why didn't the bosnian refugee's parents teach the kids English before they went to school?
Of course I don’t dispute bad parenting leads to bad outcomesAround by me Pete in tile hill , the naughtiest kids have the most moronic parents , so there is a correlation
As long as it applies to all the Brits going on holiday and living abroad and not bothering to learn the language.You would think housing, feeding, paying for kids, healthcare etc would be enough to get people to want to speak the language? They shouldn't be allowed to move here until they can speak English, surely?
Why didn't the bosnian refugee's parents teach the kids English before they went to school? People want everything handed to them and done for them.
This is also the same if people went to live abroad and didn't try and speak the Language.
Ok and you know the admiration I hold you in
the point is as a society we blame everyone else for everything that happens and never look within to see if there’s anything I can do differently
What are you and grendel doing to help multiculturalism work?
As long as it applies to all the Brits going on holiday and living abroad and not bothering to learn the language.
I agree, unfortunately the majority don't even both to learn a few phrases. Imagine loads of Spanish people turning up in restaurants in England and demanding that people speak to them in Spanish.Literally said it in my last line, of course it should.
People can't moan about somebody coming here and not speaking English and the culture but then moving to France, not speaking French or respecting their culture.
Course it’s not your fault but I take it the answer to my question is nothingYeah it's my fault that people don't look after their kids and worryingly fire out more than they can look after / control.
My ever increasing taxes are more than likely housing, feeding, clothing, educating (if they go to school that is).
That isn't just aimed at migrants, lazy c**t brits too.
Because they were too busy fleeing the shelling of their country and the ethnic cleansing... and there's more which I really can't put on this forum.
Fair challenge but we all have to make it workThe main problems we are facing as communities with multiculturalism is how fast the country has changed in such a small amount of time .
It's created a lot of issues , I think it's all been handled terribly
We doFair challenge but we all have to make it work
The main problems we are facing as communities with multiculturalism is how fast the country has changed in such a small amount of time .
It's created a lot of issues , I think it's all been handled terribly
The issue is, is that actions of a minority end up tarring the majority, who will very much want their kids to integrate and have the best possible life.So when they get to England did they do much to integrate their kids or help them with English?
It's not like they were fleeing a rocket on a Sunday and the kids were in School on the Monday.
What are schools meant to do? It was one of the issues I had with my daughter's first school, you had some kids in the class who couldn't speak a word of English which meant my daughter barely had any benefit as they got all of the resources. (There were also some polish kids who were fluent in both English and Polish when they were about 5 which was impressive).
Makes it OK then? Not their fault for behaving like it, governments.
If the police would have steamed in and arrested them all they would be classed as racist anyway.
If they knew they would be on the first flight back to romania I'm sure it would be a deterrent.
Course it’s not your fault but I take it the answer to my question is nothing
You sound like Scrooge saying I pay my taxes what more can I do?
It was actually pretty close to that.It's not like they were fleeing a rocket on a Sunday and the kids were in School on the Monday.
Mate, do you really believe that the reason the police didn't arrest people in the middle of a riot, was because they'd be considered as racists?
Here's the picture: You're seriously outnumbered against an already angry crowd. What are you going to do, "Cry God for Harry, England, and Saint George!", and just pile in? I'm not sure you've thought this through...
The main problems we are facing as communities with multiculturalism is how fast the country has changed in such a small amount of time .
It's created a lot of issues , I think it's all been handled terribly
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