But how does a keeper ever get the experience, if a manager isn't brave enough to play him?
And in the long term, if the manager thinks he has enough promise to be first choice, surely we're better served by that then lurching from short term fix to short term fix?
If the manager *doesn't* think he has the promise, then that's a whole other ball game. But assuming he does...
I tend to agree. We're in league one, how far down the pyramid do you go before you accept that a young keeper can player to get some experience?! He isn't the best keeper in the world, but he's also not the worst we've ever had.
If TM thinks he's good enough, he'll continue to play him, if not he'll drop him.
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Ricketts was quick to take the blame on behalf of the defense for the goal on CWR after the game. Don't remember his exact words but it was something along the lines of they didn't come of the line quick enough so didn't leave the room for Burge to come and take the ball.
The back 4 has always been jumpy and nervy. The only that'll stop that is either the defence growing in confidence or, if it is Burge's fault, then Burge growing in confidence. But that won't happen if he stays the fans' scapegoat.But I'm not just talking about last night, Tony, I am talking about in general. And besides, Ricketts is hardly going to come out and blame an individual anyway is he.
I didn't see Burge as particularly at fault for either goal last night, but it seems clear to me that he makes the back 4 jumpy and nervy when he's behind the sticks.
He might become a good keeper in time perhaps, but for now I think we need a strong, commanding keeper at the helm.
But I'm not just talking about last night, Tony, I am talking about in general. And besides, Ricketts is hardly going to come out and blame an individual anyway is he.
I didn't see Burge as particularly at fault for either goal last night, but it seems clear to me that he makes the back 4 jumpy and nervy when he's behind the sticks.
He might become a good keeper in time perhaps, but for now I think we need a strong, commanding keeper at the helm.
What's he going to say?
That muppet in goal should have come and got it?
Come on
I don't think he was even prompted to say anything. If he didn't want to name names he could have simply said he hadn't seen it back on replay and dodge the question, he didn't.
You clearly want to believe it was Burge's mistake wether it was or not. You're obviously just the sort of fan who needs to place the blame on one player rather than accept the captain and central defenders admission that the defense as a whole was to blame.
I blamed Johnson mostly for the goal on the match thread.
Sigh.
So Ricketts must have been protecting Reda then not the "Muppet in goal" then in your opinion?
Strange you picked up on it then and made out he only said it to not name Burge when in reality you agree with Ricketts that it was a defending error not a goalie error. Make your mind up.
But how does a keeper ever get the experience, if a manager isn't brave enough to play him?
And in the long term, if the manager thinks he has enough promise to be first choice, surely we're better served by that then lurching from short term fix to short term fix?
If the manager *doesn't* think he has the promise, then that's a whole other ball game. But assuming he does...
He isn't being blamed for the goals. It is other parts of his game that is putting pressure on us like not claiming the ball or not organising the defence.
Did you not notice the difference between our GK and theirs last game? They were the difference between us winning and the draw we got. Or do you think that Burge would have saved our last shot?
So Ricketts must have been protecting Reda then not the "Muppet in goal" then in your opinion?
Strange you picked up on it then and made out he only said it to not name Burge when in reality you agree with Ricketts that it was a defending error not a goalie error. Make your mind up.
Strange how everyone else understands the point being made and you choose not to.
I'm saying Bentley is far too good for this level. He's better than the majority of keepers in the league above let alone our league. Burge is a solid league one keeper.
Totally disagree. Burge DOES give the back four the jitters and that is simply because he shows no control of his area.I'm sorry but it's just way too easy to blame burge... Monday night was a terrible defensive performance... Their first goal is awful defending in so many ways, they shouldn't be able to get that ball into the box in the first place, then the the centre forward is literally free in the middle of the box, it is right on the edge of the six yard box and has a bit of pace on it so burge really didn't stand a chance. First half they should have scored 4 at least, we were not good enough.
The excuse that 'Burge gives the defence jitters' is bollocks, they can still do their jobs, a goalie needs confidence to come claim the ball, but when he his left so exposed, and gets played nye on suicide passes by his centre backs, what can we expect.
Burge isn't perfect no, but Monday night he was not to blame.
You were replying specificaly to me pointing out what Ricketts has said about the goal and said he was defending "The Muppet in Goal" when in actual fact you agree with what Ricketts said and accept that the goal was indeed a defensive error, yourself actually picking out Reda as blame specifically. So I don't see what the point of your initial reply was? You were either trying to mock me for pointing out what Ricketts had said despite the fact as you've pointed out that you agree with his comment's or you just couldn't pass an oppertunity to call Burge a Muppet? Funny you're name calling players after moaning about name calling towards Colin Hendry the other day on a different thread. As I say, make your mind up.
As for ignoring the point I suggest you try reading what else I've written in this thread. I've pointed out what I see as weeknesses in Burge and without the need for name calling. Unless you're saying that the point of the thread is to call Burge names.
Only because you are a spotty twat face yourself.You are starting to resemble the proverbial mad man on the bus that no one wants to sit beside Tony.
I've not called anyone any names.
He isn't being blamed for the goals. It is other parts of his game that is putting pressure on us like not claiming the ball or not organising the defence.
Did you not notice the difference between our GK and theirs last game? They were the difference between us winning and the draw we got. Or do you think that Burge would have saved our last shot?
Totally disagree. Burge DOES give the back four the jitters and that is simply because he shows no control of his area.
Just watch next time we play and the ball is near our penalty box.
For me he needs to go a lower division on loan to gain experience.
And just to reiterate once again, many of us have said we are not blaming him for Monday and are just talking about his general performances.
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i've been to all but one game this season, and I do admit at times burge does not inspire me with have incidence, eg, the ball rolling across his line from a cross vs Walsall, but until he makes an error can he really be blamed?
command of the area will come with experience and confidence...
Also in reference to those saying he doesn't seem like he can pull off good saves, has he really had the opportunity this season? Most the goals we have conceded this season have been pretty much certain finishes, and a brilliant shot against Crewe?
Will command of his area come with experience though if we keep shipping goals? 2 a game for the last 3 games. Can't see how that experience is going to make him more confident.
I don't think he is as bad a keeper as some are saying, but then at the same time I think we do need someone better. We want to do well this season we need a keeper who can single-handedly save games for us and win us points.
Not sure Burge has that in him.
Another thing - when we conceded the penalty, Burge just went back in his goal and didn't attempt to do anything to gain an advantage. I noticed Bentley delayed our penalty by about 30 seconds, talking to the ref and getting into JOB's ear telling him probably he knows where he's going.
Another thing - when we conceded the penalty, Burge just went back in his goal and didn't attempt to do anything to gain an advantage. I noticed Bentley delayed our penalty by about 30 seconds, talking to the ref and getting into JOB's ear telling him probably he knows where he's going.
I am hoping we get back to basics in training because teams have found it easy to hit straight back recently, so it's something to improve.
I will agree burge is not a keeper that is going to earn us 10-15 points like say Joe Murphy would, however I don't think we have the budget to replace him and while he's not perfect he isn't costing us games Imo... If once we have the required squad depth outfield, then money left over, I would look for a better keeper, but I have yet to see a good suggestion?
Have a day off.
Ricketts did the delaying for him, Burge even had a talk with Ricketts, which i think was the attempt to slow down the striker to increase nerves.
Another thing - when we conceded the penalty, Burge just went back in his goal and didn't attempt to do anything to gain an advantage. I noticed Bentley delayed our penalty by about 30 seconds, talking to the ref and getting into JOB's ear telling him probably he knows where he's going.
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