Leadership (2 Viewers)

Perennial Lurker · Aug 13, 2024

I know there has been a lot said about this, a lot of it justified but tonight I think we saw glimpses of it .
Kitching was vocal throughout especially in the first half when we were off the pace.
Thomas-Asante just with his work rate and enthusiasm got others around him working well
And I thought Rudoni really showed a lot of composure tonight sitting deeper and was directing players around him .

Leadership isn't a gnarled old pro , leadership is a shared responsibility and a mantra this group have to embrace as a collective

SkyblueTexan · Aug 13, 2024

It appears a lot of things have to be done by committee now with this team. We may no longer have a Hamer or a Fadz and now temporarily without Sheaf. So everyone needs to step up and chip in.

Perennial Lurker · Aug 13, 2024

SkyblueTexan said:
It appears a lot of things have to be done by committee now with this team. We may no longer have a Hamer or a Fadz and now temporarily without Sheaf. So everyone needs to step up and chip in.

I think we saw glimpses of that tonight , Kitching especially stepped up tonight

Skyblueweeman · Aug 14, 2024

I really like what I've seen of Rudoni so far. I genuinely think he'll have a bigger impact that O'Hare.

I just hope that because he's not jumped around with an afro and ghetto blaster on or caught some sunglasses and put them on whilst celebrating, that he's not looked upon as inferior to O'Hare. I think he'll be a great player for us.

In terms of leadership, I kind of agree with the OP about leadership not necessarily being about an gnarly old pro barking instructions.

It does however need a 'captain of the ship' type person to be pretty vocal with the team, gee-ing them up, being the spokesperson to the ref, controlling things as much as possible. That all seemed to be missing vs Stoke.

Skyblue Bangkok · Aug 14, 2024

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Skyblueweeman said:
I really like what I've seen of Rudoni so far. I genuinely think he'll have a bigger impact that O'Hare.

I just hope that because he's not jumped around with an afro and ghetto blaster on or caught some sunglasses and put them on whilst celebrating, that he's not looked upon as inferior to O'Hare. I think he'll be a great player for us.

In terms of leadership, I kind of agree with the OP about leadership not necessarily being about an gnarly old pro barking instructions.

It does however need a 'captain of the ship' type person to be pretty vocal with the team, gee-ing them up, being the spokesperson to the ref, controlling things as much as possible. That all seemed to be missing vs Stoke.

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Skyblue Bangkok · Aug 14, 2024

I find that captains in football are largely just symbolic , in a sport like cricket they have a lot more influence in terms of players picked and tactics.

BerksSB · Aug 14, 2024

Skyblueweeman said:
I really like what I've seen of Rudoni so far. I genuinely think he'll have a bigger impact that O'Hare.

I just hope that because he's not jumped around with an afro and ghetto blaster on or caught some sunglasses and put them on whilst celebrating, that he's not looked upon as inferior to O'Hare. I think he'll be a great player for us.

In terms of leadership, I kind of agree with the OP about leadership not necessarily being about an gnarly old pro barking instructions.

It does however need a 'captain of the ship' type person to be pretty vocal with the team, gee-ing them up, being the spokesperson to the ref, controlling things as much as possible. That all seemed to be missing vs Stoke.

I notice Eccles is one of the few who will talk to the ref.

SkyBlueSteve81 · Aug 14, 2024

BerksSB said:
I notice Eccles is one of the few who will talk to the ref.

You mean whinge and moan at the ref. It's one of the traits that I really don't like about Eccles. Yes he's a Cov lad and he clearly loves the club but until you are captain, vice captain etc wind your neck in and get on with the game.

This isn't just Eccles by the way, it is a massive bug bear of mine the way some players mouth off at the officials. I actually liked it in the Euro's where only the captain or nominated other player could speak to the ref and think it should be brought in at all levels of the game.

Skyblueweeman · Aug 14, 2024

Skyblue Bangkok said:
I find that captains in football are largely just symbolic , in a sport like cricket they have a lot more influence in terms of players picked and tactics.

I disagree, but that's fine ;-).

I just think having someone displaying the leadership qualities I mentioned above, can sometimes give the other players a mental lift. I guess you're right - maybe less about tactics than in rugby/cricket but their importance is definitely there. And it was definitely lacking vs Stoke.

Trueskyblue20 · Aug 14, 2024

We massively missed a vocal leader on Saturday against Stoke as we looked like a bunch of kids with no one to take control of the game.

I know it’s been spoken about a lot but if we had Alan Browne or a similar type of player on the pitch to focus the team, it would have been a completely different result.

Hobo · Aug 14, 2024

You don't have to be over 30 to be a leader and there are many different ways you can be a leader.

We are not short of experienced players.

Trueskyblue20 · Aug 14, 2024

Hobo said:
You don't have to be over 30 to be a leader and there are many different ways you can be a leader.

We are not short of experienced players.

Agreed and I would say the likes of Jude Bellingham would be a good example but we are desperately short of vocal leaders.

Even Sheaf as captain whilst he leads from example isn’t very vocal in organising a team. Bidwell as well from the other day is relatively quiet on the pitch. We haven’t had a real vocal leader since McFadzdean.

Hobo · Aug 14, 2024

Trueskyblue20 said:
Agreed and I would say the likes of Jude Bellingham would be a good example but we are desperately short of vocal leaders.

Even Sheaf as captain whilst he leads from example isn’t very vocal in organising a team. Bidwell as well from the other day is relatively quiet on the pitch. We haven’t had a real vocal leader since McFadzdean.

True but it was the right time to let Fadz go.

Trueskyblue20 · Aug 14, 2024

Hobo said:
True but it was the right time to let Fadz go.

Oh yeah definitely as he didn’t suit our style anymore and it was the right time, it is just more concerning we still haven’t replaced him with a vocal leader, regardless of whatever position or age they’d be.

Hobo · Aug 14, 2024

Trueskyblue20 said:
Oh yeah definitely as he didn’t suit our style anymore and it was the right time, it is just more concerning we still haven’t replaced him with a vocal leader, regardless of whatever position or age they’d be.

But we did look at the guy from Forest. Also regarding getting another CM we almost had one over the line before Forest poached him.

I am a great believer in signing the right player at the right price, rather than just signing a player to say we have signed a player.

I am sure there are others we have been close to signing, but most clubs don't like to publicise a failed attempt to sign a player for obvious reasons.

There is still time yet.

blunted · Aug 14, 2024

Successful teams always have someone who can identify when something is going wrong and make adjustments on the pitch. Players that lead by example. That usually comes with experience, but you sometimes get an old head on young shoulders.
I think there is a reason we tried to get Browne or Worrall.
MR has said the dressing room is too quiet on several occasions.
See the effect when Denise Wise came into our team and latterly Fadz.

mmttww · Aug 14, 2024

blunted said:
Successful teams always have someone who can identify when something is going wrong and make adjustments on the pitch.

which is what England don't have and I take the point that we might not. Need someone assertive. Kelly had that in spades.

Hobo · Aug 16, 2024

blunted said:
Successful teams always have someone who can identify when something is going wrong and make adjustments on the pitch. Players that lead by example. That usually comes with experience, but you sometimes get an old head on young shoulders.
I think there is a reason we tried to get Browne or Worrall.
MR has said the dressing room is too quiet on several occasions.
See the effect when Denise Wise came into our team and latterly Fadz.

In recent times I think James made a difference to us too when he came in.

Offhegoes · Aug 16, 2024

SkyBlueSteve81 said:
You mean whinge and moan at the ref. It's one of the traits that I really don't like about Eccles. Yes he's a Cov lad and he clearly loves the club but until you are captain, vice captain etc wind your neck in and get on with the game.

This isn't just Eccles by the way, it is a massive bug bear of mine the way some players mouth off at the officials. I actually liked it in the Euro's where only the captain or nominated other player could speak to the ref and think it should be brought in at all levels of the game.

Aren't we always saying we haven't got anyone that talks to the ref? Eccles to me always seems in control, asking the question in a cool manner.

Hobo · Aug 16, 2024

Offhegoes said:
Aren't we always saying we haven't got anyone that talks to the ref? Eccles to me always seems in control, asking the question in a cool manner.

I remember Kenny Daglish used to man mark the ref over 90 mins.

wingy · Aug 19, 2024

blunted said:
Successful teams always have someone who can identify when something is going wrong and make adjustments on the pitch. Players that lead by example. That usually comes with experience, but you sometimes get an old head on young shoulders.
I think there is a reason we tried to get Browne or Worrall.
MR has said the dressing room is too quiet on several occasions.
See the effect when Denise Wise came into our team and latterly Fadz.

Are you advocating a two footer early doors?

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