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  • Start date Jan 13, 2025
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ceetee

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #106
DionH said:
Yes mate, but was supposed to be there tonight
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The comments are because someone else posted that news yesterday
 
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The watchmaker

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #107
blunted said:
I am sure you are right.
Please explain how it works to this old git, as so many are saying we have to sell one before we bring one in.
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You'd be best of just ignoring this whole squad list thing.

We have to pick our match day squad from a 25 man squad list plus under 21 players (as long as they are not loans). You can change the squad list at any time in the transfer window. We don't currently have 25 players (everyone agrees on this) and even if we did the idea that we wouldn't find space on the squad list for our shiny new CM/Defender/etc is nonsense... but for some reason people are arguing that this is what is stopping us signing players?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #108
Deity said:
So you don’t like King because he might not be a success in the future rather than because of anything fundamentally he’s actually done wrong In the present. Now i‘m clear.
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What?

I don’t like King cos he’s reversed the course of the club. But you didn’t think that analysis was complex enough.
 
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Deity

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #109
DannyThomas_1981 said:
I kind of hear you Deity.

In terms of hard evidence though, very few coaches have taken a club in free fall from L2 to within a penalty shoot out of the Premier League - with the added on drawbacks of dysfunctional ownership, not having a home and on a budget that was far from spectacular. The man is an absolute all time legend for doing that - whatever was going on before he arrived.

The budget is one of the biggest driving factors in football as well - Pep for example has had billions to spend/not sure how even he would have got on with SISU, little budget, playing against the likes of Fleetwood on a freezing wednesday night in front of a man and his dog and the mad hatters (front row for the cameras) and being forced out of his own stadium to play home games.
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in my opinion Mark Robins was brilliant for City …. But it should be seen in context. Promotion via the play offs was the minimum expected of a club of our scale and resources in LG2, yes we were a shadow of our former selves but still big by league comparison. He did a great job in lg1 and i do believe we would have got promoted had the season not been cut short, but none of us will ever know.

His record in the championship is mixed in my view.

First couple of years we scraped by and that was a good result given relative resources. We then had the leagues best forward in Vik and 2 of the leagues best midfielders in Hamer and COH and we surpassed expectations to get into the play offs final. Last year our league form was pretty average, this year it was poor. Which ever way you try to position that, it’s a pretty mixed few seasons. It’s not the unstinting progress that some would have you believe.

Then you have all the off field stuff.

King had to make a decision as to whether he thought Robins was the right man to get us promoted. Time will tell But his achievements in Lg2 and Lg1 shouldn’t really be relevant to that decision.

I personally would have given Robins longer, but not much longer maybe 4-6 weeks.
 
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Chris1987

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #110
shmmeee said:
What?

I don’t like King cos he’s reversed the course of the club. But you didn’t think that analysis was complex enough.
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King has altered the course of the club.
Way too early to say whether he has reversed it or not.
 
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Deity

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #111
shmmeee said:
What?

I don’t like King cos he’s reversed the course of the club. But you didn’t think that analysis was complex enough.
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Not true.

Under King we reached the play offs final final and the FA Cup Semi final. Neither of these were under SISU.

Maybe we would have achieved the former under SISU we will never know but my own view is that either Vik or Hamer would have gone in the January to fund operating losses and that would have prevented that run into the play offs.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #112
Deity said:
Not true.

Under King we reached the play offs final final and the FA Cup Semi final. Neither of these were under SISU.

Maybe we would have achieved the former under SISU we will never know but my own view is that either Vik or Hamer would have gone in the January to fund operating losses and that would have prevented that run into the play offs.
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In terms of league position we’ve got worse every season.
 
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Deity

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #113
shmmeee said:
In terms of league position we’ve got worse every season.
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Our highest league position was in Kings first season. This really isn’t that difficult.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #114
Deity said:
Not true.

Under King we reached the play offs final final and the FA Cup Semi final. Neither of these were under SISU.

Maybe we would have achieved the former under SISU we will never know but my own view is that either Vik or Hamer would have gone in the January to fund operating losses and that would have prevented that run into the play offs.
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The infrastructure under SISU was non-existent and the prospect of us competing in the Championship was pretty much built upon Robins / Adi performing minor miracles season after season.

As an operation it was completely unsustainable and when (not if) we would've been relegated to L1 I very much doubt we would've returned to the Championship for some time. Players would've been sold to cover the overheads and it likely would've been back to a transfer window cycle of loans / frees while the wage budget came down and high earners were offloaded.

DK's track record hasn't been great thus far, and there's a lot of lessons to be learned but I can see what he's trying to do and the foundations he's looking to put in place to make us more of a competitive outfit at this level both off and on the field. Unfortunately it's just not really worked as to plan but hopefully we can turn a corner after this season and build again.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #115
Deity said:
Our highest league position was in Kings first season. This really isn’t that difficult.
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Yes. That would be the case if we’ve got lower each season.
 
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Chris1987

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #116
shmmeee said:
Yes. That would be the case if we’ve got lower each season.
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With only 2 completed seasons to compare ? That's some fall off 6th to 9th. Massive regression
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #117
Jesus Christ how does Doug King debate open on every forum
 
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Chris1987

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #118
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Jesus Christ how does Doug King debate open on every forum
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i wonder what the common link is ?
 

Domo

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #119
so is lati off or what?
 
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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #120
Deity said:
Our highest league position was in Kings first season. This really isn’t that difficult.
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He just doesn't like Doug King, he just can't see the Woods for the trees. No point debating with him.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #121
Domo said:
so is lati off or what?
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Who knows? Wanna discuss Doug King instead tho
 
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baldy

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #122
shmmeee said:
In terms of league position we’ve got worse every season.
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'Every' season - eurgh - it was only last season where we've finished lower
 
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Lamps

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #123
Deity said:
I don’t understand the Douk King hate to be honest. He isn’t perfect, none of us are, but he’s been bloody good for us.

We had an horrendous owner in SISU, no ambition, no- investment, broken relationships everywhere, and we were selling our best assets on the cheap, using the income to fund losses and using the loan market to paper over the cracks. They were absent owners, didn’t attend matches, didn’t give interviews and went missing when the heat increased.

The reverse is now true. Does he have an ego, almost certainly. I’ve not met any Very wealthy self made people that do not. Has he made mistakes, yes, but so does every business owner. Billionaires Sir Jim Ratcliffe is hardly error free at Man United is he ?

Our fan base can be very odd.
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Hate?

What does happen on here is if you say anything against King there's a sudden pile up on that person. Just the same if you say anything against Lampard.

As you say King isn't perfect. Nobody is. But look what happens if you mention anything. Now you've stretched it to the word hate.

Yes King owns the club and can do whatever he wants with our club. But we should never have it where questions shouldn't be asked just because our last owners were as bad as they come. For instance look at the contradictions including where King said our team were very fit. Lampard came in and said the team were not fit enough.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #124
lads, so Lati?

DK has been done to death and we can't have every thread degenerate into this
 
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oakey

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #125
Deity said:
Our highest league position was in Kings first season. This really isn’t that difficult.
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He bought the club at the end of January. He can hardly be given credit for that season, except for new owner bounce.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #126
Domo said:
so is lati off or what?
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No idea but we know who does and doesn't like Doug King, and that i feel is the most important thing.
 
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Chicken Mcgraw

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #127
David O'Day said:
lads, so Lati?

DK has been done to death and we can't have every thread degenerate into this
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I’d be disappointed to see him go. Young, versatile and is seemingly asked to play in a different role week to week.

If he does go, we’d need a cb and a rb to replace him. I don’t know if the plan is for Burroughs to be the back up rb. If not, I think it leaves us too much to do in January.

Letting him go to bring in a loan u21 midfielder makes very little sense to me.
 
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Deity

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #128
oakey said:
He bought the club at the end of January. He can hardly be given credit for that season, except for new owner bounce.
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January 9th. 3 weeks of the window left.

Not selling our assets that window was importaht, and a change in direction .
 
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Domo

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #129
Question: Is lati gone?

Answer: people like and dislike DK for a number of reasons.
 

SBAndy

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #130
Evo1883 said:
You could say the same about so many players , loads of shite have played at top clubs in various leagues ..but really he's an extraordinarily average footballer

Fair play his agent is very good
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The Championship’s answer to John O’Shea.
 

oakey

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #131
Deity said:
January 9th. 3 weeks of the window left.

Not selling our assets that window was importaht, and a change in direction .
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Redirect Notice

January 27th says BBC
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #132
oakey said:
Redirect Notice

January 27th says BBC
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That was after he bought the remaining 15%. The 85% he bought on the 12th January (link in your link).
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #133
Chris1987 said:
With only 2 completed seasons to compare ? That's some fall off 6th to 9th. Massive regression
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So we accept its regression now, just arguing over how long it’s been happening. I doubt we’ll finish 9th this season.
 
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oakey

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #134
Deity said:
January 9th. 3 weeks of the window left.

Not selling our assets that window was importaht, and a change in direction .
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Partly true. Let's sell them in the summer instead.
Then let's fail to buy suitable replacements.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #135
If Lati goes for profit does that count as a succesful signing?
Because the recruitment is starting to look not quite as bad as has been made out.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #136
People who wanted Robins to stay because 6th to 9th wasn't that much of a regression now arguing it was.

People who wanted Robins out because we dropped from 6th to 9th now arguing that's actually no big deal, good old SBT.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #137
Domo said:
so is lati off or what?
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On twitter today there are pictures of him training.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #138
clint van damme said:
If Lati goes for profit does that count as a succesful signing?
Because the recruitment is starting to look not quite as bad as has been made out.
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We are at the very least break even I would have thought
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #139
clint van damme said:
If Lati goes for profit does that count as a succesful signing?
Because the recruitment is starting to look not quite as bad as has been made out.
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Think it would have to be right? especially at the model is about buying low, selling higher to spend the money and go again.
 
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Chris1987

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #140
shmmeee said:
So we accept its regression now, just arguing over how long it’s been happening. I doubt we’ll finish 9th this season.
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Ah so we can use one 3 place lower league finish as an explanation for reversing the course of a club .
Good to know that at least in depth long term parameters are being used to formulate this judgement.
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