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Latest Sisu legal challenge put on hold (1 Viewer)

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SimonGilbert

Telegraph Tea Boy
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #1
Sisu's new legal challenge over Wasps / Ricoh Arena takeover put on hold by courts

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/sisus-legal-challenge-wasps-ricoh-8495344
 
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The Gentleman

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #2
SimonGilbert said:
Sisu's new legal challenge over Wasps / Ricoh Arena takeover put on hold by courts

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/sisus-legal-challenge-wasps-ricoh-8495344
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To me this just shows that even the legal system is getting thoroughly pissed off with Sisu.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #3
With the rate these articles are appearing you'll be able to get some chocolate hob nobs with the ad money
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #4
The Gentleman said:
To me this just shows that even the legal system is getting thoroughly pissed off with Sisu.
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It says it's because the courts want JR #1 settled first.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #5
fernandopartridge said:
It says it's because the courts want JR #1 settled first.
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It's certainly because so much of #2 will overlap with #1. Losing #1, as will surely happen, will be like entering #2 in a situation whereby you've lost the first leg of a two-leg semi-final 7-0.

But there's certainly wisdom in waiting until the existing process has run it's lengthy course
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #6
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
will be like entering #2 in a situation whereby you've lost the first leg of a two-leg semi-final 7-0.
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That's all right SP will probably play 5 in defence and leave all the forwards on the bench.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #7
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
It's certainly because so much of #2 will overlap with #1. Losing #1, as will surely happen, will be like entering #2 in a situation whereby you've lost the first leg of a two-leg semi-final 7-0.

But there's certainly wisdom in waiting until the existing process has run it's lengthy course
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JR#1 has run for approx 2 years now I think from original application. This is like the old days of the FA cup with 5 replays etc.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #8
fernandopartridge said:
It says it's because the courts want JR #1 settled first.
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Do you think that means that JR # 2 has no relevance unless JR #1 is successful?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #9
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
It's certainly because so much of #2 will overlap with #1. Losing #1, as will surely happen, will be like entering #2 in a situation whereby you've lost the first leg of a two-leg semi-final 7-0.

But there's certainly wisdom in waiting until the existing process has run it's lengthy course
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Would be a bit silly to start another now to be fair. Let's say the oral hearing succeeds and by some miracle the ACL loan is deemed state aid, where does that even leave Wasps? (anyone?)

Obviously, if the first one fails, they can extend their pressure. I'm not sure how it would impact to be fair. If the loan to ACL was legal, the sale to Wasps can still be illegal. Especially considering the main point from JR1 was that the council held a stake in ACL so didn't have to act like other investors. Whereas JR2 would likely be about whether CCC favoured Wasps over Sisu for non-applicable reasons.

To be honest, seems a bit silly as the two offers were different enough for there to be a solid claim that the Wasps deal was more in line with the aims of the Charity and CCC (the ticket money to AEHC, other community stuff, the fact that bringing in Wasps will have a regenerative effect (arguably, which is all that's needed)). It doesn't matter whether people think one offer was better or not, as long as a reasonable person could claim the decision was based on the bids. Which they can, no question. JR1 made it clear that a local authority can make political decisions.


Edit: this is why the Reid stuff coming out about what Ann Lucas thought about Sisu is irrelevant. She's perfectly allowed to hate Sisu and feel it's not in the best interests of Coventry to deal with them. Again, talking legally WRT the JR, not morally, or whatever.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #10
skybluetony176 said:
Do you think that means that JR # 2 has no relevance unless JR #1 is successful?
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Perhaps
 
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The Gentleman

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #11
fernandopartridge said:
It says it's because the courts want JR #1 settled first.
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I was once told that a Police inspector got cut up by a taxi on the way to doing a night shift at the station. That night taxi drivers lives were made a misery and for a few weekends after apparently. I just wonder whether saying the things that were said about the judge and his findings after the JR had rubbed some people up the wrong way. Obviously guess work on my part but human nature and all that...........
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #12
The Gentleman said:
I was once told that a Police inspector got cut up by a taxi on the way to doing a night shift at the station. That night taxi drivers lives were made a misery and for a few weekends after apparently. I just wonder whether saying the things that were said about the judge and his findings after the JR had rubbed some people up the wrong way. Obviously guess work on my part but human nature and all that...........
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SISU are a pathetic company not an elite mafia.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #13
The Gentleman said:
I was once told that a Police inspector got cut up by a taxi on the way to doing a night shift at the station. That night taxi drivers lives were made a misery and for a few weekends after apparently. I just wonder whether saying the things that were said about the judge and his findings after the JR had rubbed some people up the wrong way. Obviously guess work on my part but human nature and all that...........
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Bit more oversight on the courts than the local Police though...
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #14
The Gentleman said:
I was once told that a Police inspector got cut up by a taxi on the way to doing a night shift at the station. That night taxi drivers lives were made a misery and for a few weekends after apparently. I just wonder whether saying the things that were said about the judge and his findings after the JR had rubbed some people up the wrong way. Obviously guess work on my part but human nature and all that...........
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Are you saying Tim Fisher is now driving a black cab?

Ps - how's tricks mate?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #15
fernandopartridge said:
Are you saying Tim Fisher is now driving a black cab?
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"Yes mate, that new stadium is just turning the corner into your road now..."
 
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SimonGilbert

Telegraph Tea Boy
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #16
Relevant court documents for this latest story here https://www.facebook.com/TheSimonGilbert/posts/552087034894541
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #17
We'll Well Well Its Thursday everyone
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #18
seems a sensible thing to happen to me and a course of action that both sides have agreed to

The query I have is now this new action involves Otium does that mean the club (which is Otium trading as CCFC) will be liable for a share of the legal costs of the second action if it fails?
 
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Thenose

New Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #19
shmmeee said:
Would be a bit silly to start another now to be fair. Let's say the oral hearing succeeds and by some miracle the ACL loan is deemed state aid, where does that even leave Wasps? (anyone?)
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It leaves WASPS as owners of the stadium. There is not going to be some magic performed, the sale won't be reversed, they won't be forced to vacate. The sale was concluded legally.

What may happen is SISU win damages from CCC...
 

Sub

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #20
oldskyblue58 said:
seems a sensible thing to happen to me and a course of action that both sides have agreed to

The query I have is now this new action involves Otium does that mean the club (which is Otium trading as CCFC) will be liable for a share of the legal costs of the second action if it fails?
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Didn't fisher say it has nothing to do with CCFC it was a totally separate thing to the football club all this legal action that is going on ??
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #21
oldskyblue58 said:
seems a sensible thing to happen to me and a course of action that both sides have agreed to The query I have is now this new action involves Otium does that mean the club (which is Otium trading as CCFC) will be liable for a share of the legal costs of the second action if it fails?
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Oh dear! More debt loaded onto the football club. That must load the Club with at least another £30m of debt
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #22
oldskyblue58 said:
seems a sensible thing to happen to me and a course of action that both sides have agreed to

The query I have is now this new action involves Otium does that mean the club (which is Otium trading as CCFC) will be liable for a share of the legal costs of the second action if it fails?
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And a share of the income if it wins.
 
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Noggin

New Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #23
Rusty Trombone said:
And a share of the income if it wins.
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which they can pay straight out again towards the tens of millions they are "owed" there is no benefit to ccfc whatever.
 
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SkyBlueSid

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #24
All this means is that we now have "Hopeless Sisu court case for 2014-15" to be followed by "Hopeless Sisu court case for 2015-16."

So - no funds available to strengthen team for a promotion push out of League 2 next season.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #25
fernandopartridge said:
It says it's because the courts want JR #1 settled first.
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Up until now, the courts are not interested in SISUs crap. They have again made negative comments. This time about the length of the skeleton arguments. Thus the refusal of the appeal. Yes they want JR #1 out of the system, and I think they will politely tell SISU to F.O..
 
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John_Silletts_Nose

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #26
The courts believe that this is a new legal action and have put it on hold yet Tim Fisher told the Trust that was not a new legal action but a legal necessity,
"The Trust was in communication with Tim Fisher this morning to get clarity about this matter and he has reassured us that this is not a totally new action but more of a legal necessity concerning the existing JR appeal."
http://www.skybluetrust.co.uk/?start=3

It appears that the Fisher has been misleading in his statements to the Trust as it is a totally new legal action, although not unrelated to an existing appeal.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #27
John_Silletts_Nose said:
The courts believe that this is a new legal action and have put it on hold yet Tim Fisher told the Trust that was not a new legal action but a legal necessity,
"The Trust was in communication with Tim Fisher this morning to get clarity about this matter and he has reassured us that this is not a totally new action but more of a legal necessity concerning the existing JR appeal."
http://www.skybluetrust.co.uk/?start=3

It appears that the Fisher has been misleading in his statements to the Trust as it is a totally new legal action, although not unrelated to an existing appeal.
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The judge got it wrong. Again. It's the only logical explanation.
 
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Skyblueweeman

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #28
Right, can someone do some sort of flow diagram of court cases (past, present and likely) with potential outcomes please? #confused
 

cloughie

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #29
Why not do a flow diagram of Fisher bullshit it should be a reasonably constant high straight line
 
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Jack Griffin

Guest
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #30
Sub said:
Didn't fisher say it has nothing to do with CCFC it was a totally separate thing to the football club all this legal action that is going on ??
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That was 3 weeks ago.
 
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Intheknow

New Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #31
Rusty Trombone said:
And a share of the income if it wins.
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I'm not sure that the relief claimed is a share in any income.
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #32
Intheknow said:
I'm not sure that the relief claimed is a share in any income.
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I don't know what you mean, what relief?
 
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Intheknow

New Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #33
Rusty Trombone said:
I don't know what you mean, what relief?
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When you go to court you seek "relief", you ask the court to make a ruling. The ruling sought by Sisu is that the loan by the Council is state aid and thereby illegal. I'm not sure there is a compensation claim?
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2015
  • #34
Intheknow said:
When you go to court you seek "relief", you ask the court to make a ruling. The ruling sought by Sisu is that the loan by the Council is state aid and thereby illegal. I'm not sure there is a compensation claim?
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You're presumably not suggesting though that they are proceeding with the action to make a point?
 
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SkyBlueSid

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 23, 2015
  • #35
Skyblueweeman said:
Right, can someone do some sort of flow diagram of court cases (past, present and likely) with potential outcomes please? #confused
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Potential outcomes are not difficult to forecast. Sisu's win-loss ratio is considerably worse than Pressley's. W:0 D:0 L:the rest.
 
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