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pusbccfc

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #176
Tommo1993 said:
He made two very good saves prior, that I think it’s a blind confidence boost that caused him to try and be a hero at the end.
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That's the frustration. Without that mistake, he walks out head high and full of confidence. That save in the second half is one of the best I've ever seen from a Coventry keeper.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #177
TomRad85 said:
This is a big thing people aren't giving Lampard enough credit for imo. People were genuinely starting to say they weren't enjoying going to the CBS anymore, you can find plenty of comments on here if you can be arsed. Our home form under Robins had become really concerning.
As it stands the crowd is once again engaged and I would think season ticket sales will once again go up in the summer.
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In 5 of those 6 games we looked hopeless and the players were openly arguing with each other. Remember Swansea having vast swathes of the pitch to run into unopposed? It was grim.
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #178
Lose on Saturday and I think the reaction from the fans will be interesting.

I genuinely think some will go into meltdown.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #179
clint van damme said:
There's definitely a blueprint some teams are using for how to play against us.
Yes we might look confident knocking the ball about but teams are happy to let us do it and wait for their chance.
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I suspect we’ll be fine doing it against Boro and we know we are if we get through and play Sunderland. In general though I agree.
 

baldy

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #180
pusbccfc said:
That's the frustration. Without that mistake, he walks out head high and full of confidence. That save in the second half is one of the best I've ever seen from a Coventry keeper.
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A bit OTT about that save ffs - one of the best you've ever seen? Come on
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #181
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We need to master more than one system. There’s good reasons why we have only got one way of playing right now and it’s because we had to get out of a rut and sort out the home form first and foremost.

Over the summer the work needs to go in to learning a second set up, that we can use on the road or against ‘low block’ teams.
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To clarify, when you say system, do you mean formation?

Something Robins said after Sheff W (iirc - it was after a home loss) that stuck with me about this team was that they took too many ‘easy routes’ on the ball.

Things have generally improved under Lampard, but Plymouth and Hull were recent examples where we just too happy having possession and recycling it, without testing them with a shot or cross to deal with.

In Rugby, there was always the old adage of coming away with points when you’re in the final third of the opposition. For us, it needs to be something like, if we’re in the final third, we need either get the ball in the box or to get a shot off. Too often we get to the final third to just pass it backwards without testing the defence or opposition GK.
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #182
Mucca Mad Boys said:
To clarify, when you say system, do you mean formation?

Something Robins said after Sheff W (iirc - it was after a home loss) that stuck with me about this team was that they took too many ‘easy routes’ on the ball.

Things have generally improved under Lampard, but Plymouth and Hull were recent examples where we just too happy having possession and recycling it, without testing them with a shot or cross to deal with.

In Rugby, there was always the old adage of coming away with points when you’re in the final third of the opposition. For us, it needs to be something like, if we’re in the final third, we need either get the ball in the box or to get a shot off. Too often we get to the final third to just pass it backwards without testing the defence or opposition GK.
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What Vik O’Hare and Hamer all had was directness, Rudoni has improved, Wright is hit and miss, other than that we lack players who pick it up and want to get towards goal or players who pick it up and want to ping a pass to release someone.
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #183
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I suspect we’ll be fine doing it against Boro and we know we are if we get through and play Sunderland. In general though I agree.
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Yeah, and they're the sort of teams our possesion games seem to work against, in fact its pretty succesful at home full stop.
And I think it would work away at Sunderland too.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #184
shmmeee said:
Playing a high line away against a team desperate for a win was always a risk and ultimately what lead to the red and a couple of the Plymouth goals.
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The high line didn’t cause a goal for any of the goals v Plymouth. It was two set pieces we didn’t deal with and MVE giving the ball away high up the pitch that caused those goals.

The red card, it was a bad decision and JDS was on the wrong side of him. It’s not necessarily tactical but individual error.

We did this v Sunderland and battered them. Over a 46 game season there will be times the tactics aren’t executed well.
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #185
Mucca Mad Boys said:
The high line didn’t cause a goal for any of the goals v Plymouth. It was … MVE giving the ball away high up the pitch
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TomRad85

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #186
Brighton Sky Blue said:
In 5 of those 6 games we looked hopeless and the players were openly arguing with each other. Remember Swansea having vast swathes of the pitch to run into unopposed? It was grim.
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Really depressing performances.
 

stevefloyd

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #187
If Wilson is that bad why give him a new contract???? because he is a good egg in the dressing room? Chubby Brown would probably make people laugh if he was in the dressing room !!! instead he keeps picking that fucking cretin cock up Collins, there has to be a fucking point where he says right Brad enough is enough its just about every fucking game he plays now WHY WHY WHY??? sorry guys I am still so pissed at that absolute bellend, I bet Barnsley were over the moon when that jerk left...Get the twat out of our club he is fucking worse than useless, so what if he is better than Wilson with the ball at his feet, he is single handedly fucking our clubs promotion chances up... If Franks got any sense whatsoever he doesn't pick him again !!! rant over
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #188
shmmeee said:
What Vik O’Hare and Hamer all had was directness, Rudoni has improved, Wright is hit and miss, other than that we lack players who pick it up and want to get towards goal or players who pick it up and want to ping a pass to release someone.
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Haji and Simms, there hasn’t been a consistent supply of high quality chances for a while now.

Haji should’ve scored v Hull and Plymouth but looking at that 22/23 side, the amount of ‘big chances’ Vik missed, he had 2-3 times in a game to redeem himself.

Rudoni is the player most willing to take on players and it’s disappointing that Sakamoto and at times, EMC, that willingness to take on players could be a lot better!

In terms of game changers, I want us to be able to bring on 2 wingers next season who can keep us being a constant threat.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #189
pusbccfc said:
Lose on Saturday and I think the reaction from the fans will be interesting.

I genuinely think some will go into meltdown.
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Really? I'm shocked. Look where we are and where we were at Christmas, yet some still constantly whinge and complain.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #190
shmmeee said:
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It’s not the same thing and you know it. The inference was that the defensive high line was being exploited.

If a defender gives the ball away on the halfway line, you’re going to be in trouble in most cases.
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #191
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Haji and Simms, there hasn’t been a consistent supply of high quality chances for a while now.

Haji should’ve scored v Hull and Plymouth but looking at that 22/23 side, the amount of ‘big chances’ Vik missed, he had 2-3 times in a game to redeem himself.

Rudoni is the player most willing to take on players and it’s disappointing that Sakamoto and at times, EMC, that willingness to take on players could be a lot better!

In terms of game changers, I want us to be able to bring on 2 wingers next season who can keep us being a constant threat.
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And a ST with a first touch please. No more balls failing to stick. If Luton go down as much as he’s a c**t I’d genuinely look at Morris as an option for games when we want to play it long.
 
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baldy

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #192
I'm totally in guessing territory now but do you reckon Collins has told FL himself that he's not up to playing & FL's kept him in anyway as if to 'toughen him up' or whatever in the hope he'll come good?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #193
Mucca Mad Boys said:
It’s not the same thing and you know it. The inference was that the defensive high line was being exploited.

If a defender gives the ball away on the halfway line, you’re going to be in trouble in most cases.
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Plymouth got behind us a lot that game.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #194
duffer said:
Unless I missed something, Luton's winner came about because Collins completely lost his head, ran out of his goal, and clattered his defender. So the only goal in the game came about from his incompetence.

Yes, we got bullied. Yes Luton looked better than us for large parts of the game. But it was that single act that led to the goal that cost us the game.

I can't see any reason to defend the bloke or put it on anyone else, except perhaps Lampard. With anyone else in goal, that doesn't happen; it's a critical individual error, and it's not his first.
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collins was at fault clearly but he did make some good saves and have been MOM - I doubt Wilson would have made two if the saves he did
 
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skyblueeyesrevisited

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #195
shmmeee said:
What Vik O’Hare and Hamer all had was directness, Rudoni has improved, Wright is hit and miss, other than that we lack players who pick it up and want to get towards goal or players who pick it up and want to ping a pass to release someone.
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That’s why Torp is a big loss
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #196
pusbccfc said:
Lose on Saturday and I think the reaction from the fans will be interesting.

I genuinely think some will go into meltdown.
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Despite having a relatively poor 5 or 6 weeks and the ongoing keeper debacle I still consider it to have been a succesful season whatever happens from now.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #197
clint van damme said:
Despite having a relatively poor 5 or 6 weeks and the ongoing keeper debacle I still consider it to have been a succesful season whatever happens from now.
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Would be quite funny if we finished 9th tho.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #198
clint van damme said:
Despite having a relatively poor 5 or 6 weeks and the ongoing keeper debacle I still consider it to have been a succesful season whatever happens from now.
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Absolutely. How can it not be seen as a success?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #199
Mucca Mad Boys said:
To clarify, when you say system, do you mean formation?

Something Robins said after Sheff W (iirc - it was after a home loss) that stuck with me about this team was that they took too many ‘easy routes’ on the ball.

Things have generally improved under Lampard, but Plymouth and Hull were recent examples where we just too happy having possession and recycling it, without testing them with a shot or cross to deal with.

In Rugby, there was always the old adage of coming away with points when you’re in the final third of the opposition. For us, it needs to be something like, if we’re in the final third, we need either get the ball in the box or to get a shot off. Too often we get to the final third to just pass it backwards without testing the defence or opposition GK.
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I mean how we’re using the ball as much as I mean the shape.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #200
shmmeee said:
It’s like the Simms last season argument tho. Statistically you’ve got two very different populations. That ten game run isn’t really representative. You’ve got a streak of 90% win rate then a streak of 30% win rate. And the 30% streak is twice as long.
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It’s only away from home in the last few games. The hope record has been consistently good
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #201
shmmeee said:
Plymouth got behind us a lot that game.
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Correct, but did it lead to a goal? No.

When taking the Plymouth game into account, it was definitely a game where the individual errors were more costly than the tactics.

It all goes out the window when you go 1-0 down too because you need to attack more.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #202
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Correct, but did it lead to a goal? No.

When taking the Plymouth game into account, it was definitely a game where the individual errors were more costly than the tactics.

It all goes out the window when you go 1-0 down too because you need to attack more.
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Opening goal another list of the victims of bringing everyone back for corners.
 

SkyblueTexan

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #203
SBT said:
Clearly Lampard has zero confidence in Wilson to play the way he wants us to, and sees the risk of completely upsetting our tactics during a four-game playoff run as greater than the risk of Collins fucking something up in any given game. It’s just a shame that both those risks seem unreasonably high at the moment, but we have no good options here.
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Then why extend Wilson’s contract? Makes no sense. On that note, it’s weirdly ironic that Lampard’s decision to extend the contracts of players (ie Eccles and Bidwell) suddenly makes them worse than before. Maybe that’s why Wilson isn’t playing? Who knows.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #204
Grendel said:
It’s only away from home in the last few games. The hope record has been consistently good
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Looking back at the ‘fluke run’, most of the games were at home too. We only chalked up 3 wins away at Swansea, Blackburn and Sheff W.
 

PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #205
If Torp was fit I wouldnt mind a shape where we have 4 midfielders with the fullbacks providing width sort of like this

GK - Collins
RB - van Ewijk
CB - Thomas
CB - Kitching
LB - Bidwell
CDM - Grimes
RCM - Torp
CM - Sheaf
LCM - Rudoni
ST - Simms
ST - Wright

Rudi and Torp pushing up Sheaf dictating tempo, Grimes just sitting but sometimes Sheaf and Grimes swapping over during the game to cover at the back for the fullbacks which advance creating the width, if Dasilva wasnt suspended would be him however thats why we definitely need a Milan on the left. Rudoni would add to the natural width keeping a free role, but give Torp that Advanced Central role to break in between Wright and Simms
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #206
SkyblueTexan said:
Then why extend Wilson’s contract? Makes no sense. On that note, it’s weirdly ironic that Lampard’s decision to extend the contracts of players (ie Eccles and Bidwell) suddenly makes them worse than before. Maybe that’s why Wilson isn’t playing? Who knows.
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It does make sense, he signed as 3rd choice, a known quantity and a positive influence someone who isn't going to rock the boat if he is not playing.
 

SkyblueTexan

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #207
Mucca Mad Boys said:
We’ve dropped points in 4 home league games; Cardiff, Millwall, Leeds and Burnley.

Looking at the games we’ve won; Watford, Bristol City, Sunderland, WBA, QPR who were all in and around us when we beat them shows just how much we deserve to be where we are. We’ve won every 6 pointer at home and compare that to last season, is fantastic. If we finish 5th or 6th, I’m confident we can beat Sheff U or Sunderland at home.

We are v close to being a comfortable Top 4 Championship team. A bit more quality and depth, which we’ve gradually added, and some tactical tweaks and we’re there!
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Those wins you mentioned were a long time ago (bar WBA who are having a bigger implosion than us at the moment) and with Dovin in goal and a settled line up. Morale was up and momentum was on our side. Fast forward a month and we have a clown in goal, a donkey up front, a team that’s lost key players to injuries/suspension. I’m honestly not very confident now. I’m afraid the bar is so low with Collins that he will find new and more embarrassing ways to sink us.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #208
SkyblueTexan said:
Those wins you mentioned were a long time ago (bar WBA who are having a bigger implosion than us at the moment) and with Dovin in goal and a settled line up. Morale was up and momentum was on our side. Fast forward a month and we have a clown in goal, a donkey up front, a team that’s lost key players to injuries/suspension. I’m honestly not very confident now. I’m afraid the bar is so low with Collins that he will find new and more embarrassing ways to sink us.
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Go on the Boro forum. They are expecting a battering
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #209
Grendel said:
Go on the Boro forum. They are expecting a battering
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I bet the Luton forum was very much the same before yesterday's game and so was Plymouth's prior to last Monday's debacle.
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Apr 27, 2025
  • #210
we can be a very different beast at home. I wouldn’t fancy my chances if I were Boro either.
 
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