COVKIDSNEVERQUIT
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If a referee doesn't like criticism then he shouldn't be a referee.
Doesn’t look aggressive he clearly says something at the end that the ref doesn’t like
When oh when are referees going to take a stand against this ultra unsporting behaviour ? A couple of reds should sort it outThat bellend at the end who got booked for time wasting went down holding his left ankle and then rolled around holding his right
Should have been booked for his pathetic moustache too
Wright was offside but it looked to me like the Burnley player blocked EMC's shot with his arm so should have been a penalty anyway.
I think Frank said Parker said you were the biggest C£%T ever! And I stuck up for you and said you weren't the biggest
He's clearly offside. Debatable that the defender is playing him on, but even if he is, he's the only 1 player that is as he's further advanced than the keeper. I love how passionately people wear their sky blue tinted glasses, but I've said it a thousand times and it's a FACT, he was offside. Man utd at Wembley on the other handNo it wasn't! Watched it loads of times and can see when our player goes to shoot the Burnley player lunges infront to block it and his legs are closer to byline and it came of him to Wright who was behind that players leading leg.
Not past Hadjis legs
It's baffling the fuck out of me. I don't get who these people are trying to convince? It's one of the most blatant offsides I've seen. People making up rules saying because the defender made a play for the ball it cancels out the offside and all sorts. It's strange. Just face it, the officials (who were shit all afternoon) got it wrong. It WAS offside.He was offside - why we try to pretend a poor decision went for us I’ve no idea
Here’s the law:It's baffling the fuck out of me. I don't get who these people are trying to convince? It's one of the most blatant offsides I've seen. People making up rules saying because the defender made a play for the ball it cancels out the offside and all sorts. It's strange. Just face it, the officials (who were shit all afternoon) got it wrong. It WAS offside.
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It's also a fact is was handball before the offside came in to effectHe's clearly offside. Debatable that the defender is playing him on, but even if he is, he's the only 1 player that is as he's further advanced than the keeper. I love how passionately people wear their sky blue tinted glasses, but I've said it a thousand times and it's a FACT, he was offside. Man utd at Wembley on the other hand
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The defender didn't "play" the ball. He blocked a fucking shot. What world are we coming to when a defender can't block a shot (aka, do his fucking job) because it'll play a striker onside. Complete nonsense. He's offside. End ofHere’s the law:
A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately played* the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.
The defender has deliberately played the ball, so Wright is considered not to have gained an advantage, is receiving the ball from the defender not EMC, and is therefore not in an off-side position.
Here’s Gary Neville disagreeing with the law (but accepting it is the law) when it benefitted Liverpool on Wednesday: Gary Neville: I don't like rule which allowed Diogo Jota goal | 'Diaz was interfering with play'
Now check the handball criteria as thats what he stopped it with
Point three seems to cover it from me.
Agree. But that’s the lawThe defender didn't "play" the ball. He blocked a fucking shot. What world are we coming to when a defender can't block a shot (aka, do his fucking job) because it'll play a striker onside. Complete nonsense. He's offside. End of
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Yep. He was blocking a shot, so he expected the direction of the ballPoint three seems to cover it from me.
If the defender blocks the ball he has deliberately played the ball and law 11 says clearing which a blocks is deliberately playing the ball
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A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately played* the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.
Deliberate play’ (excluding deliberate handball) is when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of:
- passing the ball to a team-mate;
- gaining possession of the ball; or
- clearing the ball (e.g. by kicking or heading it)
If the pass, attempt to gain possession or clearance by the player in control of the ball is inaccurate or unsuccessful, this does not negate the fact that the player ‘deliberately played’ the ball."
it's not worth arguing about but that will be why the ref and the assistant didn't give an offside
if he makes a deliberate attempt to block it then it's onside.Again, without trying to bang on about it, how could he have control of the ball when it's hammered at him from a short distance and he's on his knees?
If he doesn't have control, then by definition it can't be deliberately played.
I wonder if it's more likely that the linesman thought they were in line, I doubt we'll ever know.
Either way, it went our way for once, and that makes me happy.
Agree, but it is how the laws define “control”.Again, without trying to bang on about it, how could he have control of the ball when it's hammered at him from a short distance and he's on his knees?
If he doesn't have control, then by definition it can't be deliberately played.
I wonder if it's more likely that the linesman thought they were in line, I doubt we'll ever know.
Either way, it went our way for once, and that makes me happy.
if he makes a deliberate attempt to block it then it's onside.
It's really not worth arguing about, it's a shite version of the law but it is the current ifab one
“If the goalie goes to make a save in exactly that position, and the ball bounces off him and to Wright in an offside position, is Wright offside?”Well we'll have to agree to differ, but politely, you're completely ignoring the control element here.
Their player isn't in any position to be in control of the ball, and that's the key part of deliberately played. It's an attempted save, there's nothing else he can do from the position he's in, he's just trying to stop the ball from going in the goal which is the definition of a save.
If the goalie goes to make a save in exactly that position, and the ball bounces off him and to Wright in an offside position, is Wright offside?
That's exactly what happens on a regular basis with players following in on shots, and of course it's almost always offside.
Anyhow - we differ, and it's not a big deal. Fair enough, I'll shut up now.
Keepers don't always catch the ball when making a save, if an opposition player is in an offside position and the keeper palms / pushes an attempt in the path of the offside player he is deemed offside. This is important to differentiate from what happened because 2 players need to be between the attacker and the goal, one of those players could play the attacker onside if he makes a save (by diving in with his feet for example, as what happened) or controls and loses the ball, but this excludes the goalkeeper for obvious reasons.“If the goalie goes to make a save in exactly that position, and the ball bounces off him and to Wright in an offside position, is Wright offside?”
Yes. Exactly that. The law specifically makes “a save” an exemption. So if the defender blocks the shot and it goes to Wright he’s onside, but if the shot goes to the keeper who saves it, then Wright is offside! Bizarre, but that’s the law
“If the goalie goes to make a save in exactly that position, and the ball bounces off him and to Wright in an offside position, is Wright offside?”
Yes. The law
Yes, Crucial bit is the interpretation of “a save”. I believe refs are told to interpret this as the last man ie a Goalkeeper or a Defender making a goal line clearance. In this case the defender is not considered to be making a save as the keeper was behind him ready to make a save. Therefore it is interpreted as a clearance, therefore when the ball comes off the defender Hadji is no longer considered to be in an offside positionKeepers don't always catch the ball when making a save, if an opposition player is in an offside position and the keeper palms / pushes an attempt in the path of the offside player he is deemed offside. This is important to differentiate from what happened because 2 players need to be between the attacker and the goal, one of those players could play the attacker onside if he makes a save (by diving in with his feet for example, as what happened) or controls and loses the ball, but this excludes the goalkeeper for obvious reasons.
Their no. 14 didn't need to be in control of the ball because he made a save according to the rule which states
"A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless [it's] the goalkeeper [and he is] within the penalty area)"
Haji would have been onside if their keeper was between him and the goal, it's important to note that hands and arms beyond the armpit are not counted, so Haji did look to be offside. I hope this helps
If a referee doesn't like criticism then he shouldn't be a referee.
if That went to VAR then it’s offside, it’s also a penalty first, so either way it’d still be a goal
Wright doesn’t miss manyBig assumption the penalty would have been scored there
Wright doesn’t miss many
He was bad but not that badIs he a Yank?
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