cloughie
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no they would want it by bank transfer..........................................hang on a minute , accounts frozen
Falkirk are probably waiting for the cheque to clear before releasing Elvis.
I agree with Gren and BSB. I can't fathom why Black's name comes up as a fans favourite every time we need a manager. Someone who was here ten years ago and hasn't managed in his own right for ten years.
It's pure nostalgia like hiding behind the sofa while watching Dr Who or summer holidays when you were a kid.
Black's success was so long ago that to assume he would succeed here is a pure fallacy based on nostalgia of the last time decent football was seen at HR. Just as Thorn failed after the honeymoon went and he lost better players, Black would have had to contend with the same (Davenport, Safri, Gudjonsson just a few of the ones who left early into Reid's reign). It is baffling bordering on embarrassing.
For god's sake, nobody is assuming he would succeed. Anybody who thinks any manager is a dead cert to succeed at any club just doesn't pay attention to football. It is a crapshoot.
All that is being said is that Eric Black has excellent credentials to be manager of CCFC. That should be beyond dispute. What his history at CCFC shows us is that he prefers attacking football, makes the most out of what's available to him, and knows the value of goals scored - something we should all embrace.
Here here!!
Hmmm, sure. What part of 'It was all 9 years ago' doesn't make sense to you? Perhaps in 2022 we will all be screaming for the board to hire Robins again because he won us a few games in League One. Your sole basis for thinking he would be a good appointment is because of what he did in 2004-thank God the people making this decision don't use such absurd logic.
I hear Jimmy Hill's still available, why haven't we interviewed him?
Hmmm, sure. What part of 'It was all 9 years ago' doesn't make sense to you? Perhaps in 2022 we will all be screaming for the board to hire Robins again because he won us a few games in League One. Your sole basis for thinking he would be a good appointment is because of what he did in 2004-thank God the people making this decision don't use such absurd logic.
Look. I'm ok with SP however I feel that we have the players to suit Blacks attacking style and we have nothing to lose this season so his gung ho style could well have been successful. Not to be, I'll support whoever the new guy is
I hear Jimmy Hill's still available, why haven't we interviewed him?
My sole basis? I can only assume you haven't read my other posts in this thread.
Black is an intelligent, thoughtful man (evident in his press conferences and the recent TalkSport interview). He is bilingual, which could help both current players and future recruits. He likely has a wide network of contacts after his work in the Championship and Premiership. I also find his footballing philosophy appealing. What's more, he was available and a realistic candidate.
How do nine years affect any of that?
We are not talking about the sentimental return of a 36 year old player whose legs have gone. Nor the return of a manager who has spent 10 years in the armchair like George Graham or Kenny Dalglish had. Not even a man who is pushing close to retirement.
You can make a case for plenty of other managers. But if we are talking about logic, I fail to see any in the reluctance to hire Black.
EDIT: As for Robins, no, I wouldn't be enamoured. I feel he did what any decent manager should have done with this squad. What's more, I wouldn't vouch for his character after his walk-out.
That is a desperate comparison.
You are the one clamouring for someone off the back of a honeymoon period.
There are plenty of other coaches meeting the same criteria-except I doubt you could name many; it is only because Black was manager in 2004 that he even entered the equation. I ask-will you be still wanting Robins hired in 2022?
Ok I think you have made your point but it's not as if Black has been out of football since 2004 is it?How on Earth do we know what his style would be when he hasn't managed in 9 years? Nostalgic appointments have long been a resounding failure in football (Dalglish and Keegan excellent examples), with one or two big exceptions (Howe at Bournemouth, Walter Smith at Rangers), and it's always because people have memories stuck in the past. Football has changed a hell of a lot since then-if we tried Black's tactics from 2004 now, chances are they'd have us fall flat on our face.
Half a season qualifies as a honeymoon period? Where do you draw the line? I would assume it's fewer than ten games.
Ok I think you have made your point but it's not as if Black has been out of football since 2004 is it?
I answered that. No, I wouldn't be clamouring for Robins. As I say, I felt he did what any half-decent manager should have done with the squad he had available, and that he was helped no end by the torrid form of McGoldrick. Plus his walkout did not reflect well on his character.
I am willing to assess the merits of the man, not a period of time.
You'd think that we won every game 5-0. Just because he guided us to some good results then is not a guarantee he would deliver the same results now-his record at Motherwell was especially poor, but that was 11 years ago. Anything more than 9 doesn't count.
Manager in 'joining a better team for more money and closer to home' shock.
Which is fine. But a prime reason why I wouldn't hire him again - in case he jumped ship at a pivotal point to take more money and move closer to home.
And as for the other points?
I'm not sure how this relates at all to what I said.
No team in world football is immune to having its manager or best players taken off their hands against their will, I hate to break it to you.
People would point to results like the 4-1 at Donny, 5-1 at home to Walsall, breaking the club record for consecutive away wins, the JPT run etc. The difference is that Robins will likely be in management for the next 9 years, whereas for the previous 9, Black hasn't aside from the odd brief bit of caretaking. It is no basis on which to hire him.
I have provided you with a time he held a managerial post at roughly the same time and was distinctly average at it.
We are deviating from the discussion. What rankled me was Robins' kiss-the-badge stuff only to bail. Purely subjective on my part, but I wouldn't vouch for such a character.
If people point to Robins' success, I will gladly contextualise it - L1, one of the best squads there, freakish form by McGoldrick etc. I don't think there was anything remarkable about Robins. None of my posts in the past six months will show any kind of enthusiasm for him. And obviously I wouldn't hire Black solely on the back of a few results - as I have repeatedly said and qualified.
The idea that his tactics and philosophies would be outdated because he hasn't been managing imo is wrong. He has been working day in, day out with premiership players for the last 9 years working closely with managers. Likely developing new training methods and tactics as football has developed.He has been out of management which is an entirely different ball game to coaching.
He still had to turn around a rank poor mentality and poor quality left to him by the buffoon he succeeded. A little psgm1-esque to suggest all he had to do was turn up and tell them to score goals.
I asked how long a honeymoon period was, which you didn't answer. As for his stint at Motherwell, we know nothing about the context of it. I've said many times on this forum that I don't judge by win percentage or any other stats without knowing the context - which is why I feel comfortable judging Thorn, but not Pressley.
The idea that his tactics and philosophies would be outdated because he hasn't been managing imo is wrong. He has been working day in, day out with premiership players for the last 9 years working closely with managers. Likely developing new training methods and tactics as football has developed.
Most lower league managers are effectively head coaches, very hands on and take every training session. The biggest challenge for coaches stepping up is whether they can handle the added responsibility, pressure and leadership required and how good there man management skills are i.e. getting them motivated, 1v1 issues with players etc. an how comfortable they are at dealing with the media
I didn't come close to suggesting that. I think Robins is a capable manager.
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