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Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 12, 2017
  • #141
Hobo said:
How many goals have our central defenders scored from set pieces?

How many goals have midfielders scored from free kicks?

Fans cry out for a big man up front, yet Denis Law and David Speedie both around 5' 9" scored most their goals with their heads. As well as leading the attacking line.

One of the reasons England aren't really successful at the top Internationally is because the fans are stuck in a 4-4-2 time warp.

Perhaps Beavon brings a lot to the dressing room and on the pitch. He has more experience of promotion and what it takes than anybody in our squad.

The team is still gelling and developing. Most fans would change it from week to week based on a players last 5 minutes and a computer game data base.
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I agree with the majority of your point but you're wrong on 4-4-2. A lot of continental teams now play the system, it's the 2nd most popular formation for champions league finalists (after4-3-3) for the last few years. Our problem is that we're so far behind we've only just moved away from it now it's back in. We'll probably work it out and get back to 4-4-2 when the Spanish have moved to a false 4 or something mental.
 

eastwoodsdustman

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  • Oct 12, 2017
  • #142
Liquid Gold said:
I agree with the majority of your point but you're wrong on 4-4-2. A lot of continental teams now play the system, it's the 2nd most popular formation for champions league finalists (after4-3-3) for the last few years. Our problem is that we're so far behind we've only just moved away from it now it's back in. We'll probably work it out and get back to 4-4-2 when the Spanish have moved to a false 4 or something mental.
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The main problem with English football is that English players don't get enough game time. We are the best in the world at virtually all age groups up to and including U21's and then it goes pop in a big way. Not sure where I read about game time for homegrown players(probably on here somewhere) but we are miles behind other countries when it came to playing our own players domestically in the top flight. Whilst all of the money is spunked into the premier league and clubs like Chelsea are allowed to ruin 20/30 young players careers at a time nothing will change. The systems aren't the problem the players in the systems are.
The City have their own problems which is down to the level we are at and the standard of players we can attract. Hopefully we're on the up and over time the standard of player will improve.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 12, 2017
  • #143
Liquid Gold said:
I agree with the majority of your point but you're wrong on 4-4-2. A lot of continental teams now play the system, it's the 2nd most popular formation for champions league finalists (after4-3-3) for the last few years. Our problem is that we're so far behind we've only just moved away from it now it's back in. We'll probably work it out and get back to 4-4-2 when the Spanish have moved to a false 4 or something mental.
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It isn't the system we play, we don't have players that have the all round game to adapt to different ways of playing. The PL and England side have adopted a possession based game, but ignore that it takes one or two great passers to make it work, not Jordan Henderson or Eric Dier plodding around midfield. English teams were doing excellently in Europe playing the high tempo game we've always played, since we've adopted to trendy methods from elsewhere it's all gone wrong. Square pegs and round holes.
 

JWC

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  • Oct 12, 2017
  • #144
fernandopartridge said:
It isn't the system we play, we don't have players that have the all round game to adapt to different ways of playing. The PL and England side have adopted a possession based game, but ignore that it takes one or two great passers to make it work, not Jordan Henderson or Eric Dier plodding around midfield. English teams were doing excellently in Europe playing the high tempo game we've always played, since we've adopted to trendy methods from elsewhere it's all gone wrong. Square pegs and round holes.
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It's hard to think of Jordan Henderson as a plodder. I'm not saying he isn't, I've not seen him play very much at all of late, but when he was with us he was anything but. He was really exciting to watch.
 
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JWC

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  • Oct 12, 2017
  • #145
Jeez, he was with us in 2009. Time flies
 

Hobo

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  • Oct 12, 2017
  • #146
Liquid Gold said:
I agree with the majority of your point but you're wrong on 4-4-2. A lot of continental teams now play the system, it's the 2nd most popular formation for champions league finalists (after4-3-3) for the last few years. Our problem is that we're so far behind we've only just moved away from it now it's back in. We'll probably work it out and get back to 4-4-2 when the Spanish have moved to a false 4 or something mental.
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I bet it is not a rigid 4-4-2....I suspect it will be a bit more fluid?
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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  • Oct 13, 2017
  • #147
eastwoodsdustman said:
The main problem with English football is that English players don't get enough game time. We are the best in the world at virtually all age groups up to and including U21's and then it goes pop in a big way. Not sure where I read about game time for homegrown players(probably on here somewhere) but we are miles behind other countries when it came to playing our own players domestically in the top flight. Whilst all of the money is spunked into the premier league and clubs like Chelsea are allowed to ruin 20/30 young players careers at a time nothing will change. The systems aren't the problem the players in the systems are.
The City have their own problems which is down to the level we are at and the standard of players we can attract. Hopefully we're on the up and over time the standard of player will improve.
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Yes I heard them discussing the U21 top division playing time % here compared to the other major European nations on Radio 5 the other day, fairly stark. All that stockpiling of young talent that then gets loaned out is damaging players development. Stats and some lovely graphs and pie charts here: How England U21s' Premier League minutes compare to Spain, Germany & Italy
 

Captain Dart

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  • Oct 13, 2017
  • #148
eastwoodsdustman said:
The main problem with English football is that English players don't get enough game time. We are the best in the world at virtually all age groups up to and including U21's and then it goes pop in a big way. Not sure where I read about game time for homegrown players(probably on here somewhere) but we are miles behind other countries when it came to playing our own players domestically in the top flight. Whilst all of the money is spunked into the premier league and clubs like Chelsea are allowed to ruin 20/30 young players careers at a time nothing will change. The systems aren't the problem the players in the systems are.
The City have their own problems which is down to the level we are at and the standard of players we can attract. Hopefully we're on the up and over time the standard of player will improve.
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and when they are first team fixtures the top players get too much game time.
 

stevefloyd

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  • Oct 15, 2017
  • #149
May as well stick Kwame in at least he can score the occasional goal even if hes dog shit for the rest of the match
 

I_Saw_Shaw_Score

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  • Jan 5, 2018
  • #150
 
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Bristol sky blue

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  • Jan 5, 2018
  • #151
Good news - frees up at least part of a wage for a striker Robins actually wants.
Good luck to Kwame though, feel sorry for him (after back luck with injuries) and want him to bounce back and succeed elsewhere.
 

Otis

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  • Jan 5, 2018
  • #152
I_Saw_Shaw_Score said:
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I take it until end of season.
 

steve82

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  • Jan 5, 2018
  • #153
This tallies up with the two in two out on the playing staff so far
 
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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Jan 5, 2018
  • #154
steve82 said:
This tallies up with the two in two out on the playing staff so far
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2 in 3 Out (Thomas, Nazon, Leahy)
 

Otis

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  • Jan 5, 2018
  • #155
Irish Sky Blue said:
2 in 3 Out (Thomas, Nazon, Leahy)
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2 in and 4 out after tomorrow (Thomas, Nazon, Leahy, Mark Hughes)
 
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steve82

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  • Jan 5, 2018
  • #156
Irish Sky Blue said:
2 in 3 Out (Thomas, Nazon, Leahy)
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Yeah could be seen as 3 out, was more thinking of budget wise as I'd doubt we'd be paying anything if much at all to wolves for Nazon.
 

skyblueelephant76

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  • Jan 5, 2018
  • #157
Otis said:
I take it until end of season.
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Just another month at the moment.
 
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ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 5, 2018
  • #158
one less month we have to pay all his wages. Sooner he is off the books the better.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 5, 2018
  • #159
I thought he’d have a part to play this season but Robins obviously doesn’t rate him. I’m assuming his contract runs out at the end of this season?
 

ccfcway

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  • Jan 5, 2018
  • #160
SlowerThanPlatt said:
I thought he’d have a part to play this season but Robins obviously doesn’t rate him. I’m assuming his contract runs out at the end of this season?
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It does

he has only scored one goal for Solihull in 8 games.
 

steve82

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2018
  • #161
ccfcway said:
It does

he has only scored one goal for Solihull in 8 games.
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It's not a great stat but then there not a great side either and in the relegation spots so it's not a overall marker of what he's producing on the pitch.

Granted we all want to see him scoring weekly or getting a good return but it's not like he's in a side with chances being played in every other attack.

If we sent Ponticelli out on loan to Solihull or Tamworth who want him a league lower and he had the same return would we still have the same judgement? I think Kwame Thomas career has been stalled too much because of his injury record which looks to be better.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2018
  • #162
ccfcway said:
It does

he has only scored one goal for Solihull in 8 games.
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1 in8 a recored Biamou would kill for
 

higgs

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2018
  • #163
Loan extended to middle of February looks like he will not be released now

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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 6, 2018
  • #164
Would guess nobody else would have taken him, you would think they would just loan him until the end of the season.
 

higgs

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 6, 2018
  • #165
Nick said:
Would guess nobody else would have taken him, you would think they would just loan him until the end of the season.
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Exactly can't see him come back in Feb and fire us to promotion

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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 6, 2018
  • #166
higgs said:
Exactly can't see him come back in Feb and fire us to promotion

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Fire up the medical bills.
 
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rupert_bear

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 7, 2018
  • #167
This stock piling of players is a farce but let’s look at it from a players point of view they are paid footballers and probably on a lot more money than a lot of players in divisions one and two. And if they break into the first team squad their contracts would multiply. All these players will believe they will be good enough to do that
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 7, 2018
  • #168
steve82 said:
If we sent Ponticelli out on loan to Solihull or Tamworth who want him a league lower and he had the same return would we still have the same judgement?.
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Thomas career record is 4 goals in 53 apperances
Jordans is 3 goals in 12 games

I know who I would back
 

steve82

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 7, 2018
  • #169
ccfcway said:
Thomas career record is 4 goals in 53 apperances
Jordans is 3 goals in 12 games

I know who I would back
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I'm not disputing the prospects of Ponticelli who will be a good player, my point was if Ponticelli went out on loan and didn't bang the goals in would we all write him off or see it as they are learning and developing there games
 
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