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  • Start date Dec 31, 2014
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Nick

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #36
rondog1973 said:
Finding it hilarious that Nick & Torchomatic (Sixfielders funnily enough) are reacting so hysterically to a remark which essentially assists Sisu in their plan to build a new stadium.

Oh, what's that? They don't intend to and will continue on the route of any means necessary litigation to get what they want?

Oh dear.....
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Hardly hysterical is it? It is just pointing out more bullshit but it obviously doesn't taste as nice as SISU bullshit

It is also funny that people get accused of defending SISU, usually by the people in this thread, defending the council till the death
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #37
bigfatronssba said:
Well of course it does. I care more about keeping my job than any of the city's sports clubs so I don't see why the council would be any different.
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If Wasps fail and the £13m rebounds onto the taxpayer they will have nowhere to run. Maybe letting the city's own football club have a shot at owning it wouldn't seem so silly then.
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #38
Nick said:
Ah yes, that article is of course just intended to clarify the law. You must think people are stupid
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But you know yourself that half the people on this forum think that there is no point in applying for a site in Coventry because the council will refuse. It needs pointing out that such an idea is completely wrong. The council cannot do that.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #39
Nick said:
Hardly hysterical is it? It is just pointing out more bullshit but it obviously doesn't taste as nice as SISU bullshit
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Hardly? Your wide on is that big every post you type has an echo
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #40
bigfatronssba said:
But you know yourself that half the people on this forum think that there is no point in applying for a site in Coventry because the council will refuse. It needs pointing out that such an idea is completely wrong. The council cannot do that.
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I also know that more than half the people on this forum will not see through that article, the same as they didn't actually realise that CCFC couldn't actually buy the Higgs share.....All they will see is "ahhh council good, booo SISU bad" (not that they need reminding of the SISU part)

It is clearly just a PR stunt, isn't it? The tone has certainly changed from his tweets hasn't it?
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #41
Nick said:
Ah yes, that article is of course just intended to clarify the law. You must think people are stupid
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Some obviously are. They say that the evil council will never deal with poor old SISU because of the broken relationship. He is just pointing out that he could not turn down people just because he doesn't like them. Now some of them say he is up to no good and protecting his arse. I think he is just stating the obvious and it doesn't change anything. SISU may be many things, but they are not stupid. They are well aware about what CCC can do or can't do, no matter what Maton says. They are sitting with an army of lawyers waiting to pounce and they are not going to build a stadium in Coventry ( no, I don't have Insider knowledge, but you have explained why yourself ). I know it was tongue in cheek....;-)
 

Nick

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #42
skybluetony176 said:
Hardly? Your wide on is that big every post you type has an echo
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I would reply with something quite funny but it would probably offend people, the same people who abused others for going to watch football matches
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #43
Nick said:
Hardly hysterical is it? It is just pointing out more bullshit but it obviously doesn't taste as nice as SISU bullshit

It is also funny that people get accused of defending SISU, usually by the people in this thread, defending the council till the death
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I hope you don't mean me? I very rarely accuse people of defending sisu. I do appreciate all but the deranged blame sisu to some extant.

Most of the arguments I have on here are about to what degree are CCC to blame.
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #44
Nick said:
I also know that more than half the people on this forum will not see through that article, the same as they didn't actually realise that CCFC couldn't actually buy the Higgs share.....All they will see is "ahhh council good, booo SISU bad" (not that they need reminding of the SISU part)

It is clearly just a PR stunt, isn't it? The tone has certainly changed from his tweets hasn't it?
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But if he is contradicting himself in his tweets from what he said in the paper then it isn't a PR exercise, its just typical politician incompetence.

What he said in the Telegraph is correct. That cannot be argued with. If he says anything else to the contrary (such as in tweets) then its those statements that aren't true.
 

Nick

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #45
martcov said:
Some obviously are. They say that the evil council will never deal with poor old SISU because of the broken relationship. He is just pointing out that he could not turn down people just because he doesn't like them. Now some of them say he is up to no good and protecting his arse. I think he is just stating the obvious and it doesn't change anything. SISU may be many things, but they are not stupid. They are well aware about what CCC can do or can't do, no matter what Maton says. They are sitting with an army of lawyers waiting to pounce and they are not going to build a stadium in Coventry ( no, I don't have Insider knowledge, but you have explained why yourself ). I know it was tongue in cheek....;-)
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To be fair, the only people I have seen saying that the council wouldn't work with SISU are the people who say things like "Can you blame the council for not working with SISU" etc.

Ah ok so he was just stating the obvious, no PR about it at all? Christ, some people really are naive.
 

rondog1973

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #46
Nick said:
Hardly hysterical is it? It is just pointing out more bullshit but it obviously doesn't taste as nice as SISU bullshit

It is also funny that people get accused of defending SISU, usually by the people in this thread, defending the council till the death
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Trouble with you Nick, and a minority of others on here, is that you cannot make the distinction between football club and owners of the football club.

I don't want Sisu anywhere near that fucking Ricoh. Anything that puts the ball in their court with regard to building their own serves to ratchet up the pressure, but it would seem you don't get that Maton's statement was intended to do that, do you?
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #47
So did Kevin Maton seek out Smon or vice-versa?

It's a question that has been posed on here many many times over the last year ?

What of the timing ?
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #48
wingy said:
So did Kevin Maton seek out Smon or vice-versa?

It's a question that has been posed on here many many times over the last year ?

What of the timing ?
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Makes a difference. If Simon asked him to clear up some points, then he is doing it at the request of someone else. Or, of course, he knew that by waiting in the wings, someone would eventually ask him to clear a point up and then he could come out with a brilliant PR coup, and point out that he couldn't turn SISU down without risking a costly appeal. ;-)
 

italiahorse

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #49
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Did the council offer the football club all of ACL for £5.5m?
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Why would they ?
If they did Wasps would be gone and Sisu fight to bring it down to zero continues.

Think about it !!
 

Covcraig@bury

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #50
Brown envelopes !!!! It's always a winner ?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #51
italiahorse said:
Why would they ?
If they did Wasps would be gone and Sisu fight to bring it down to zero continues.

Think about it !!
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SISU would've snapped their hands off and you're right, Wasps would've fucked off too. The old 'win/win' situation.
 

Ian1779

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #52
Maton thinks he's being clever with this 'calling SISU's bluff' remark.

Unfortunately for him people won't forget so easily that he is an hypocritical councilor buried balls deeps in the Wasps love-in. Seriously hope he gets voted out at the earliest opportunity.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #53
rondog1973 said:
Trouble with you Nick, and a minority of others on here, is that you cannot make the distinction between football club and owners of the football club.

I don't want Sisu anywhere near that fucking Ricoh. Anything that puts the ball in their court with regard to building their own serves to ratchet up the pressure, but it would seem you don't get that Maton's statement was intended to do that, do you?
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And you are exactly the type of person that article was aimed at

Of course I can see a difference between club and owners, hence I go and watch my team play while others refuse because of the owners, maybe it's then struggling to see the difference? Maybe when people refuse to go and watch the 11 players on the pitch play football you can come on here and remind them the difference between the owners and the club?

I support CCFC and CCFC only, not owners, not a council, not a london rugby team. However some seem to support a council a bit strongly, random rugby teams and all sorts.
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #54
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The council cares more about covering it's own arse than the city's sports clubs. Lucas' picture with the Wasps players sums that up quite well.
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She was like a simpering love sick school girl, fucking vomit worthy.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #55
Nick said:
And you are exactly the type of person that article was aimed at

Of course I can see a difference between club and owners, hence I go and watch my team play while others refuse because of the owners, maybe it's then struggling to see the difference?
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I think they can see the difference too Nick. But they feel what happens at one automatically effects the other and by staying away it's doing the best (long term) for the club. I'm with you, I feel it's best to attend at the moment but I can see where they are coming from.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #56
skybluetony176 said:
I think they can see the difference too Nick. But they feel what happens at one automatically effects the other and by staying away it's doing the best (long term) for the club. I'm with you, I feel it's best to attend at the moment but I can see where they are coming from.
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That is up to them what they do, just as long as people don't come on here trying to patronise about others not being able to tell the difference between the club and the owners
 

rondog1973

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #57
Nick said:
And you are exactly the type of person that article was aimed at

Of course I can see a difference between club and owners, hence I go and watch my team play while others refuse because of the owners, maybe it's then struggling to see the difference?
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Care to elaborate on what type of person that article was aimed at? Your the one getting in a right old tizz about it.

Club owners do impact on teams performances btw, transfer policy, appointments etc.
 

Nick

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #58
rondog1973 said:
Care to elaborate on what type of person that article was aimed at? Your the one getting in a right old tizz about it.

Club owners do impact on teams performances btw, transfer policy, appointments etc.
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Wait a minute, it was you just trying to patronise me about not being able to tell the difference between the club and the owners? So now they are sort of the same thing as they have a big impact?

To me I support the club, SISU could go tits up and they all have to work in McDonalds for all I care, The councillors could all be sacked off as well. As long as it doesnt bother the club in anyway.

It was aimed at people who fall for any old shit as long as it pretty much says "SISU BAD". They may as well just print that on a bit of paper and listen to the cheers.

I don't doubt they are bad, they are also just as guilty as doing shocking press releases like this that are transparent, but you will now have people thinking "Oh great, the council are going to help the club build a stadium, aren't they wonderful?" and "But the council said they could have this land and build it there, why wont they?". It will happen, that is what it was aimed to do. You can read that a mile off can't you?

How many people were thinking that CCFC could buy the Higgs share after their last PR outing "inviting" an offer that could never have happened? I heard / saw plenty saying that.
 

letsallsingtogether

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #59
Nick said:
Probably about as much as you are trying to do to take this off topic to deflect the fact this Maton fella seems to have been to bullshit college with SISU and WASPS but people will treat everything he says as gospel as a stick to use to beat the club with (which it was intended to do) without questioning him.
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Your a fine one to go on about taking things off topic Nick.
 

rondog1973

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #60
Nick said:
Wait a minute, it was you just trying to patronise me about not being able to tell the difference between the club and the owners? So now they are sort of the same thing as they have a big impact?

To me I support the club, SISU could go tits up and they all have to work in McDonalds for all I care, The councillors could all be sacked off as well. As long as it doesnt bother the club in anyway.

It was aimed at people who fall for any old shit as long as it pretty much says "SISU BAD". They may as well just print that on a bit of paper and listen to the cheers.

I don't doubt they are bad, they are also just as guilty as doing shocking press releases like this that are transparent, but you will now have people thinking "Oh great, the council are going to help the club build a stadium, aren't they wonderful?" and "But the council said they could have this land and build it there, why wont they?". It will happen, that is what it was aimed to do. You can read that a mile off can't you?

How many people were thinking that CCFC could buy the Higgs share after their last PR outing "inviting" an offer that could never have happened? I heard / saw plenty saying that.
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First of all, can I just say calm down dear!

Of course I know the intention of the statement. I explained it in one of the previous posts.

I didn't say they were sort of the same thing, only that one impacts (in Sisu's case horrifically) on the other.

You're not hysterical, yet a fairly innocuous statement such as this is deemed "shocking"....
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #61
Ay? I am perfectly calm, not too sure what you are on about? I am just sat here twiddling my wide on...



I agree SISU being the owners can impact, so can local councils, so can landlords. (I am not saying equally either by the way before it goes down that road)
 

rondog1973

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #62
Can just see the local news sub heading now...

Cllr Maton in Sisu planning application remark shocker!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #63
rondog1973 said:
Can just see the local news sub heading now...

Cllr Maton in Sisu planning application remark shocker!
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You must be joking, you wouldn't see anything showing a councillor up in local news....
 

rondog1973

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #64
Nick said:
You must be joking, you wouldn't see anything showing a councillor up in local news....
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Ooh I dunno, Les Reid still writes for the local press, albeit the Observer.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #65
bigfatronssba said:
What have Sisu done to help the Ebola outbreak in West Africa?
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Fook all. they should hang their heads in shame.
 

The Reverend Skyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #66
I haven't read the thread all the way through but the obvious reasons politicians are trying to cosy up to the club is that there is an election five months away.

bastards didn't want to cosy up to us in the last decade or so did they, fuck them and I hope the Cov voting public remember what they did to the club.

just a note to say Sisu are bastards too, but the council should hang their collective heads in shame
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #67
To grant planning permission for a business development do you normally ask to see a business plan for the development?
 

ccfctommy

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  • Dec 31, 2014
  • #68
The Reverend Skyblue said:
I haven't read the thread all the way through but the obvious reasons politicians are trying to cosy up to the club is that there is an election five months away.

bastards didn't want to cosy up to us in the last decade or so did they, fuck them and I hope the Cov voting public remember what they did to the club.

just a note to say Sisu are bastards too, but the council should hang their collective heads in shame
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Nail has just met head.
 

singers_pore

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  • Jan 1, 2015
  • #69
It seems everyone is missing the bleeding obvious.

When CCC owned ACL and Wasps were not around then obviously the CCC would not want a second stadium in the city as that would leave the Ricoh empty.

Now that wasps own ACL the CCC are more than happy to have a second stadium as it means more regeneration of the city plus a home for the club.

No conspiracy theories, no PR, just bloody good sense.

The stupidity of some people on here, especially Nick, Grendell, and Torch is truly staggering. Try engaging your brains guys, FFS.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 1, 2015
  • #70
singers_pore said:
It seems everyone is missing the bleeding obvious.

When CCC owned ACL and Wasps were not around then obviously the CCC would not want a second stadium in the city as that would leave the Ricoh empty.

Now that wasps own ACL the CCC are more than happy to have a second stadium as it means more regeneration of the city plus a home for the club.

No conspiracy theories, no PR, just bloody good sense.

The stupidity of some people on here, especially Nick, Grendell, and Torch is truly staggering. Try engaging your brains guys, FFS.
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Erm of course it is PR? Otherwise he would have just phoned SISU to tell them that wouldn't he?

But yeah, everybody else is stupid.
 
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