Keto and the benefits of the lifestyle (1 Viewer)

Cigarfingers · Jul 26, 2019

Just wondering if anyone else on here has tried Keto?
For those who don’t know what it is, it’s living a low carb, high fat diet. Lots of healthy animal fats and less that 20-25grams carbs a day!!
Throw in Intermittent fasting and the results are unbelievable!
I have been living/eating this way since September last year and I’ve dropped over two stone and the wife has dropped weight too.
Obviously it’s hard not having the beers at the footy anymore but if I go out I can just drink Gin, vodka or whiskey with soda, diet lemonade or Pepsi Max for example.

Really good for you, several cases of people getting off their Diabetic medication Whilst eating this way too.
I didn’t do it for that, I just found that carbs are actually quite bad for our bodies given that man actually never ate carbs until fairly recently in the cycle of man kind.
A good website to look at to find out more (and one of the first I looked at) was diet doctor. I signed up for a free month and they have loads of videos about it. One where a bloke cycles across Australia doing zero carb. He was told it wasn’t possible yet he did it and in great shape when finished.

worth taking a look at.

Nick · Jul 26, 2019

Yeah I did last year, the actual food was pretty easy it was just a lot of prep work.

Did the job though and lost a fair bit of weight.

Only issue was when I went to the gym I just couldn't gain any strength but for just weight loss it was decent.

Got me into spirits and diet Coke.

PurpleBin · Jul 26, 2019

Keto is for people with epilepsy. Not convinced it's suistainable over a long period of time.

Calorie deficit...eat what you want in a deficit...loose weight.

Nick · Jul 26, 2019

PurpleBin said:
Keto is for people with epilepsy. Not convinced it's suistainable over a long period of time.

Calorie deficit...eat what you want in a deficit...loose weight.

I did it for about 6 months and it was ok. Just hassle not being able to eat out.

No idea what it would be like after years

PurpleBin · Jul 26, 2019

Nick said:
I did it for about 6 months and it was ok. Just hassle not being able to eat out.

No idea what it would be like after years

Yeah thats what I mean...it's not easy to maintain and like you said, you struggled in the gym. It's sound if you're looking to drop weight quickly but generally those diets aren't suistainable and you'll balloon back up shortly after.

If someones daily calorie need to maintain is say 2500 calories. If they maintained 2200 each day for example they'd lose weight. It's really basic science but all these mad diets make it more complicated that it needs to be. Also, you can create a deficit either by eating less or exercising...you could, in theroy eat what you want - as long as you stay under the total - you'll loose weight.

Alkhen · Jul 26, 2019

Did the intermittent fasting thing last year worked a treat for shifting weight fast but not much fun.

Went veggie beginning of the year and for me it's way more sustainable. Don't miss meat at all. Feel way healthier.

Alkhen · Jul 26, 2019

* not that being Veggie = healthy. Plenty of junk available. Just being more aware of what I'm eating has made it easy to keep weight off without feeling rotten and hungry

Cigarfingers · Jul 26, 2019

PurpleBin said:
Keto is for people with epilepsy. Not convinced it's suistainable over a long period of time.

Calorie deficit...eat what you want in a deficit...loose weight.

I’ve done it since September without issue. I eat out a lot as work away. A steak and swap out the chips for a salad, and a pint of soda water, simples.

PurpleBin · Jul 26, 2019

Cigarfingers said:
I’ve done it since September without issue. I eat out a lot as work away. A steak and swap out the chips for a salad, and a pint of soda water, simples.

Guess it depends on why you do it. Often people seem to pick it up as a fast weight loss solution...for that, it's not ideal.

Cigarfingers · Jul 26, 2019

Yeh wouldn’t be ideal if it was just for that, I’ve gone for the overall health benefits, not so much weight loss.
Feel so much better now days and less bloated without carbs.

Ian1779 · Jul 26, 2019

When you say carbs - do you mean the lot?(bread, pasta, pots, rice)

I only ask as my missus does Slimming World... and they say you can pretty much eat unlimited pasta and rice - doesn’t seem right to me.

PurpleBin · Jul 26, 2019

Ian1779 said:
When you say carbs - do you mean the lot?(bread, pasta, pots, rice)

I only ask as my missus does Slimming World... and they say you can pretty much eat unlimited pasta and rice - doesn’t seem right to me.

Slimming world and the like are a massive con.

I urge anyone who wants to lose weight to check out thefitnesschef_ on Instagram. Graeme Tomlinsom...eye opener.

shmmeee · Jul 26, 2019

Nick said:
Yeah I did last year, the actual food was pretty easy it was just a lot of prep work.

Did the job though and lost a fair bit of weight.

Only issue was when I went to the gym I just couldn't gain any strength but for just weight loss it was decent.

Got me into spirits and diet Coke.

Have a read of The Four Hour Body by Tim Ferris (PDFs online). Has a bulking diet as well as a cutting one for low carb. IIRC it’s basically adding wholewheat bread but could be wrong.

shmmeee · Jul 26, 2019

Ian1779 said:
When you say carbs - do you mean the lot?(bread, pasta, pots, rice)

I only ask as my missus does Slimming World... and they say you can pretty much eat unlimited pasta and rice - doesn’t seem right to me.

Slimming World is about food mixing. Bit hazy but I seem to recall the science is that carbs and fat together are the enemy. Slimming World has red and green days I think.

But yeah IMO and my experience (lost 5 stone last year) carbs are the enemy. Basic rule: nothing white.

Cigarfingers · Jul 26, 2019

Ian1779 said:
When you say carbs - do you mean the lot?(bread, pasta, pots, rice)

I only ask as my missus does Slimming World... and they say you can pretty much eat unlimited pasta and rice - doesn’t seem right to me.

Yep I don’t eat any bread, pasta, potatoes or rice. Tricky at first but once you get into the groove it’s easy.

I love a prawn cocktail so they are fine! Bacon, eggs, sausages etc for your breakfast some days are fine too (baked beans are a no go) and because it’s animal fats it keeps you full for longer, whereas carbs are full one minute then hungry again in no time at all.

shmmeee · Jul 26, 2019

I will say, I was reading some comparative studies and apparently it’s not better than standard calorie counting. But it does work well to keep you full and avoid high sugar snacks and stuffing your face with Doritos. So whatever works I guess.

PurpleBin · Jul 26, 2019

shmmeee said:
Have a read of The Four Hour Body by Tim Ferris (PDFs online). Has a bulking diet as well as a cutting one for low carb. IIRC it’s basically adding wholewheat bread but could be wrong.

Tim Ferris is a genius. The four hour work week changed me 100%. The four hour body, also amazing.

clint van damme · Jul 26, 2019

Discovered a good podcast about diet and food in general called the Food Medic.

Different food related topic discussed with a different guest each week. Found it really interesting.

fernandopartridge · Jul 26, 2019

I am not sure I buy into the anti-carb stuff, rice in particular considering how it is widely eaten across the world (far east in particular) where there isn't the sort of volume of people obese or overweight that there are in the west.

That said, I love carbs and I'm holding enough winter fat to last a few years...

fernandopartridge · Jul 26, 2019

shmmeee said:
Slimming World is about food mixing. Bit hazy but I seem to recall the science is that carbs and fat together are the enemy. Slimming World has red and green days I think.

But yeah IMO and my experience (lost 5 stone last year) carbs are the enemy. Basic rule: nothing white.

Yep, slimming world is premised on virtually no fat but as much lean meat as you'd like with carbs except bread, not sure it's a long term plan but I did it with my missus years ago and it worked (though I exercised a lot back then anyway).

shmmeee · Jul 26, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Yep, slimming world is premised on virtually no fat but as much lean meat as you'd like with carbs except bread, not sure it's a long term plan but I did it with my missus years ago and it worked (though I exercised a lot back then anyway).

None of them are long term plans. I put two stone back on before I caught myself and am trying just less carbs and snacks now. Eating fruit and taking the lower carb options rather than full no carb.

I do find diets effective for motivation and changing your pallet though. I’d never have stuck long enough to lose what I did and basically move to a new wardrobe without it.

Now I feel my trousers getting tight earlier and manage my weight again. Hoping to get down to the next bracket with another push then maintain again.

Alkhen · Jul 27, 2019

Keto is just Atkins 2.0 tho isn't it

Marty · Jul 27, 2019

Chicken and salad is all I'm eating at the mo, feel better and healthier, something I find easy to stick too as I enjoy it too.

Fasted cardio is meant to be amazing for fat loss, but I just can't perform, feel lethargic in the gym.

fellatio_Martinez · Jul 27, 2019

I tried strict keto a few years ago. I lost 2 stone in 6 weeks but I was so fucking miserable and as soon as I ate carbs again I put on about a stone of water weight, the rest was fat and muscle mass so effectively I was just a smaller version of myself but my body shape didn't change. Mainly because I couldn't lift weights as I felt lethargic most of the time.

There's misinformation everywhere especially in the internet age. You can read a thousand articles on why keto is great and a thousand on why it's bad.

Someone said earlier that losing weight is as simple as just eating fewer calories than you burn and while that is true your body is constantly fighting against the changes. When you've finally lost X stone and resume normal eating it's been proven that that your basal metabolism sky rockets which makes you eat more as your brain tries to return your body back to it's fat state. Most of the the time the basal metabolism will be even greater than when you began dieting which is why so many people who diet yo yo so much and end up fatter than ever.

I've researched it a fair bit and it seems modern western lifestyles are mostly to blame for obesity. People just eat too often and our insulin responses result in weight gain. The idea of grazing and snacks has been perpetuated by food companies.

For example, Asians eat rice and noodles with every meal yet don't have issues with weight because they eat moderately and the idea of snacks isn't so embedded into their society as ours.

Who needs a fucking sugar packed granola bar first thing in the morning? Or the mid morning latte followed by a big lunch and bar of chocolate at 3pm and maybe a packet of crisps at 4.... You see where I'm going with this.

We're victims of marketing, convenience and a billion pound diet industry.

I found skipping breakfast and eating 3 meals within an 8 hour window works well for me. It's effectively fasting, which has proven to work long term.

I have no restrictions, plenty of carbs and I feel great. The only thing I stay away from is overly sugary things because they're so addictive. I still drink beer at the weekend and can work out with plenty of energy. Some people do intermittent fasting alongside keto and swear by it but I just don't function well without carbs.

Dr Fung is a great fasting advocate and he makes a lot of sense

Cigarfingers · Jul 27, 2019

Dr Fung is one of the guys who has lots of videos on the diet doctor website, really rate him tbh

Sick Boy · Jul 27, 2019

Cigarfingers said:
whereas carbs are full one minute then hungry again in no time at all.

If you go for wholegrain options then that’s not strictly true.

Covstu · Jul 27, 2019

Personally don’t get all these crazy diets, they all conflict with each other on the ‘science’ and all are unsustainable long term. Need to look at portion control and regular exercise to find the right balance. Losing 2-3 stone in a short period of time isn’t healthy

PurpleBin · Jul 27, 2019

James Smith and Diren Kartal on IG are worth a follow. Dispel a lot of the bulshit in the fitness industry.

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 27, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
I tried strict keto a few years ago. I lost 2 stone in 6 weeks but I was so fucking miserable and as soon as I ate carbs again I put on about a stone of water weight, the rest was fat and muscle mass so effectively I was just a smaller version of myself but my body shape didn't change. Mainly because I couldn't lift weights as I felt lethargic most of the time.

There's misinformation everywhere especially in the internet age. You can read a thousand articles on why keto is great and a thousand on why it's bad.

Someone said earlier that losing weight is as simple as just eating fewer calories than you burn and while that is true your body is constantly fighting against the changes. When you've finally lost X stone and resume normal eating it's been proven that that your basal metabolism sky rockets which makes you eat more as your brain tries to return your body back to it's fat state. Most of the the time the basal metabolism will be even greater than when you began dieting which is why so many people who diet yo yo so much and end up fatter than ever.

I've researched it a fair bit and it seems modern western lifestyles are mostly to blame for obesity. People just eat too often and our insulin responses result in weight gain. The idea of grazing and snacks has been perpetuated by food companies.

For example, Asians eat rice and noodles with every meal yet don't have issues with weight because they eat moderately and the idea of snacks isn't so embedded into their society as ours.

Who needs a fucking sugar packed granola bar first thing in the morning? Or the mid morning latte followed by a big lunch and bar of chocolate at 3pm and maybe a packet of crisps at 4.... You see where I'm going with this.

We're victims of marketing, convenience and a billion pound diet industry.

I found skipping breakfast and eating 3 meals within an 8 hour window works well for me. It's effectively fasting, which has proven to work long term.

I have no restrictions, plenty of carbs and I feel great. The only thing I stay away from is overly sugary things because they're so addictive. I still drink beer at the weekend and can work out with plenty of energy. Some people do intermittent fasting alongside keto and swear by it but I just don't function well without carbs.

Dr Fung is a great fasting advocate and he makes a lot of sense

Just been introduced to this. Very very sensible

fernandopartridge · Jul 27, 2019

Agree with you about snacking Fellatio. Years ok we didn't snack and ate proper meals of what people sneer at as 'unhealthy' food, cheap cuts of meat etc. The population was a lot lighter regardless of that.

fellatio_Martinez · Jul 27, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Agree with you about snacking Fellatio. Years ok we didn't snack and ate proper meals of what people sneer at as 'unhealthy' food, cheap cuts of meat etc. The population was a lot lighter regardless of that.

Yeah, it's clear to see that previous generations were far leaner than our generation even though they ate a diet high in fats and starchy carbs.

I think the shit really hit the fan when fat started to become wrongly vilified which started the whole fat free fad that's still in full swing today.

A fat free breakfast bar will spike your blood sugar levels more than a mars bar would.

Supermarkets are full of fat free products that are crammed full of sugar, which is the biggest cause of obesity today.

American food manufacturers don't even have to put the sugar content on the food they produce because coca cola and the like lobbied against it with their millions.

It just goes to show how far these companies will go to keep us shovelling their shit into our faces.

Nick · Jul 27, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
Yeah, it's clear to see that previous generations were far leaner than our generation even though they ate a diet high in fats and starchy carbs.

I think the shit really hit the fan when fat started to become wrongly vilified which started the whole fat free fad that's still in full swing today.

A fat free breakfast bar will spike your blood sugar levels more than a mars bar would.

Supermarkets are full of fat free products that are crammed full of sugar, which is the biggest cause of obesity today.

American food manufacturers don't even have to put the sugar content on the food they produce because coca cola and the like lobbied against it with their millions.

It just goes to show how far these companies will go to keep us shovelling their shit into our faces.

Yeah, noticed just how much fat free stuff is full of crap.

SBAndy · Jul 27, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
Yeah, it's clear to see that previous generations were far leaner than our generation even though they ate a diet high in fats and starchy carbs.

I think the shit really hit the fan when fat started to become wrongly vilified which started the whole fat free fad that's still in full swing today.

A fat free breakfast bar will spike your blood sugar levels more than a mars bar would.

Supermarkets are full of fat free products that are crammed full of sugar, which is the biggest cause of obesity today.

American food manufacturers don't even have to put the sugar content on the food they produce because coca cola and the like lobbied against it with their millions.

It just goes to show how far these companies will go to keep us shovelling their shit into our faces.

And whilst sugar itself isn’t fattening, it is addictive and does not satiate. It leads to binge eating. I concentrate much more on calories now, drinking alcohol-free beer and my general day consisting of a protein shake for breakfast, a bowl of soup for lunch (maybe a bread roll if I’m feeling hungry) and then whatever I want for dinner. Keeps it much more sustainable leaving me a huge calorie deficit to play with in the evening.

fellatio_Martinez · Jul 27, 2019

SBAndy said:
And whilst sugar itself isn’t fattening, it is addictive and does not satiate. It leads to binge eating. I concentrate much more on calories now, drinking alcohol-free beer and my general day consisting of a protein shake for breakfast, a bowl of soup for lunch (maybe a bread roll if I’m feeling hungry) and then whatever I want for dinner. Keeps it much more sustainable leaving me a huge calorie deficit to play with in the evening.

I find sugar massively addictive. If I have one biscuit I'll wake up the next day covered in chocolate wrappers with a murdered hooker next to me and not remember how I got there.

Sugar also plays havoc with your blood sugar levels and insulin resistance. This wouldn't be an issue if everyone just ate it in moderation but we're definitely not eating it that way. Sugar is added to almost everything you'll find in a supermarket.

I don't know what everyone else thinks of diet drinks but I find they always make me crave sugary food and there's evidence they spike insulin levels even though they contain zero sugar.

Marty · Jul 27, 2019

fellatio_Martinez said:
I find sugar massively addictive. If I have one biscuit I'll wake up the next day covered in chocolate wrappers with a murdered hooker next to me and not remember how I got there.

Sugar also plays havoc with your blood sugar levels and insulin resistance. This wouldn't be an issue if everyone just ate it in moderation but we're definitely not eating it that way. Sugar is added to almost everything you'll find in a supermarket.

I don't know what everyone else thinks of diet drinks but I find they always make me crave sugary food and there's evidence they spike insulin levels even though they contain zero sugar.

That might be Aspartame, it's something like 200 times sweeter then sugar and used as a sugar replacement in Diet drinks.

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