The loan window has closed so it's likely he will be on the bench a lot. Especially with sheaf goingneeds to start getting mins for us now else he’ll end up stuck out on loan somewhere
looks a good prospect for us, about time someone from the academy came through,The loan window has closed so it's likely he will be on the bench a lot. Especially with sheaf going
The loan window has closed so it's likely he will be on the bench a lot. Especially with sheaf going
i would guess that Sheaf leaving put an end to any loan plans for AndrewsCan't help but think a loan and regular minutes would have been more beneficial.
i would guess that Sheaf leaving put an end to any loan plans for Andrews
Agree to degree, but learning from Lampard as midfielder is priceless. Let’s see where we are in Jan, perhaps we will buy and he goes out then, Depending what happens.Can't help but think a loan and regular minutes would have been more beneficial.
Agree to degree, but learning from Lampard as midfielder is priceless. Let’s see where we are in Jan, perhaps we will buy and he goes out then, Depending what happens.
think back to foden never leaving city on loan, Pep just said his environment was best learning (that’s clearly an exception to rule generally!)
I don't buy this argument.
Clubs, and top clubs, loan players all the time to clubs with inferior squads and coaching set ups.
There must be a reason?
Man City don't lend players to clubs that are better than Man City, if staying in a superior set up was more beneficial they wouldn't do it. Foden was definitely an excrption to the rule.
But maybe Pep decided to invest some time in Foden, but he can't do that with everyone and neither can Lampard, there are only so many hours in a day.
Man City's academy fills a different role to the one we would want ours to.Man City do not loan out players who they genuinely think can make it into the first team (not just Foden - Palmer, Lewis, Bobb) seeing it as more beneficial to learn from the first team & Peps notoriously difficult system
They do loan any player below that bracket as they are basically priming them for a sale (Doyle, Couto, Harwood-Bellis)
Frank likes Andrews & wants to keep him around. There were no loan links during the window. With the improvement we've seen in Rudoni/Torp it wouldn't surprise me if we think he can learn more with us
Man City do not loan out players who they genuinely think can make it into the first team (not just Foden - Palmer, Lewis, Bobb) seeing it as more beneficial to learn from the first team & Peps notoriously difficult system
They do loan any player below that bracket as they are basically priming them for a sale (Doyle, Couto, Harwood-Bellis)
Frank likes Andrews & wants to keep him around. There were no loan links during the window. With the improvement we've seen in Rudoni/Torp it wouldn't surprise me if we think he can learn more with us
I guess its a wait a see thing isn't it. Personally i think i'd have liked him on loan and a more experienced player in, but i'm not against giving the youth some minutes if we think its good enough, i actually feel like most clubs at this level do this a lot more than we do. Eccles is 25 and he's the last one to come through and do anything at all, so its about time.It doesn't just apply to Man City though, plenty of EPL teams lend players who are then brought into the fold of the first team squad.
If it was accepted that players development was better suited not going on loan then there are plenty of loans that wouldn't have happened.
Even Andrews himself was on loan last year so the club must see some benefit to it.
Man City's academy fills a different role to the one we would want ours to.
We would want players that we think can be be of use to the first team squad where as Man City who may have one or 2 they think are good enough mostly see their Academy as a production line for players they can eventually sell on to help with PSR.
If it was accepted that players development was better suited not going on loan then there are plenty of loans that wouldn't have happened.
Even Andrews himself was on loan last year so the club must see some benefit to it.
It's probably one of those tight calls. He needs to play, Lampard knows that and he's said it about the young players before, so that must be the intention to give him minutes. Hard to believe that he couldn't find a loan. If he doesn't end up playing much we'll probably see him going out in Jan.Staying here may well work out better than a loan; he gets access to better coaching than he'd get at a League 1 club, and if he gets regular minutes off the bench will develop just as quickly.
One for the future!Embarrassing for Wales really. He looked out of place against a second string championship side.
Staying here may well work out better than a loan; he gets access to better coaching than he'd get at a League 1 club, and if he gets regular minutes off the bench will develop just as quickly.
Nothing beats minutes on the pitch for development.If he gets minutes.
If he doesn't I don't think staying benefits him.
I dont buy the access to better coaches argument, if this were a thing loans would hardly exist.
My argument boils down to regular minutes at a higher level plus superior coaching works out better than more minutes at a lower level with inferior coaching.If he gets minutes.
If he doesn't I don't think staying benefits him.
I dont buy the access to better coaches argument, if this were a thing loans would hardly exist.
A good example of a player being better off in a Superior coaching set up to playing regular minutes at lower level is Ayari.
He shouldn’t be anywhere near the senior squad right now though.One for the future!
Tbf I imagine Kane learned on his loan spells that he wasn't a midfielder as that where he was mainly deployed. Ayari wasnt utilised in the right way with us in my opinion so I cant see how that would be good for his development. Although he did score with his cock.A good example of a player getting lots of minutes in several inferior coaching set ups is Harry Kane.
With regard to Ayari, what's too say being with us wasn't a learning curve for him even if it was unsuccesful?
Going back to Kane, some of his loan spells were poor but I'm sure they were still part of his development.
We often learn more in adversity.
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