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No we don't.
and we need to bite the bullet and let Wasps be the owners.
You are going YAMPY.That's what I'm saying.
We are being squeezed into a corner by Sisu actions and Wasps are giving the appearance they can help us but in reality letting Sisu fall on their sword.
In a couple of years the club will be totally dependant on Wasps facilities and it's just a matter of waiting for Sisu to give in.
The club might be at the Butts in temporary stands (CRFC permitting !!) but like at Northampton it won't last.
A period of attrition will see the club at an all time low and Wasps can just pick up the pieces.
We need Sisu out in the next 2 years, we need them to let the club go without 'so called' debt and we need to bite the bullet and let Wasps be the owners. All while we are still at the Ricoh.
It's a hard ask, Wasps won't invest straight away but at least it's a stepping stone when they do take a punt.
Italia, how can you give your opinion when you are in business with Wasps, of course your biased admit it.
I did say park football without SISU, so again your reading what you want.
Anyway how's the parking income for Wasps ten games a season going ?
Your biased admit it
BollocksNo I want to get the club out this downward spiral.
Sisu are not the answer. Wasps own the stadium so it's just a matter of Sisu releasing for what it's worth.
The unknown is whether Wasps will play hard ball on price but the down side of that is that CCFC will be further depleted.
Whether CCFC are at the stadium or not makes no difference to my income at this level.
And again I agree.Which is why, atm, I'd be putting aside the politis of right and wrong, and pushing for plans to be advanced ref: the Butts, pushing for academy salvation... and so on.
Let's face it, SISU ain't likely to deliver, but it'd be a damned site easier for anybody coming in to pick up the pieces if plans are at least slightly advanced. Currently we have bog all except for a very weak hand indeed.
You are going YAMPY.
But how much faith does anyone have of SISU paying out money for a new ground or even going through with plans to rebuild Butts to the standard we would need?
It's a hard ask, Wasps won't invest straight away but at least it's a stepping stone when they do take a punt.
So CCC doesn't care about CCFC or CRFC. CRFC doesn't need a bigger ground. And hardly anyone thinks that SISU will pay for it. And that is if CCC, who it is said don't care about either Coventry side, would agree to help with the planning and sorting out all of the objections.Not much.
But that's not even an issue until we get past the endless talk. There are bridges to cross before that!
As it happens, it seems the Butts is CRFC driven, so it'll be a good test for their owners, eh.
(As an aside, I often wonder what their moneymen think, having rescued the club and invested with promises given of council support... only to find a rival dropped on their doorstep, rendering much of what they'd done to save the club, and try to progress it, something of an irrelevance)
But why would it be franchising? I don't get it that can only be if they move us away or make a few more coventry citys in other areas.It's the concept of franchising I disagree fundamentally with.
Therefore, owned by the same entity that is willing to permanently move a club, would be the end for me. It's the same reason I would never go to MK.
Yep, you could argue that going in with wasps and the Ricoh wrecks any (extremely) slim chance of getting a decent owner or oil billionnaire, or Arabian Prince in the future.That's fine and, tbh, a perfectly reasonable position, if not mine.
It seems mildly crazy to campaign to replace SISU with Wasps however. Personally I'd rather campaign for owners to rock up who are somewhat better than both of them!
So you say that we need to own our own stadium if we are going to find a decent new owner. But if we own our own stadium with Wasps it would wreck any chance of finding a buyer?Yep, you could argue that going in with wasps and the Ricoh wrecks any (extremely) slim chance of getting a decent owner or oil billionnaire, or Arabian Prince in the future.
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Now, this is the attitude from some I really struggle with. What Wasps have done is, in my humble opinion, a zillion times more extreme than SISU. Our owners moved us temporarily for a season, that was wrong. Wasps have moved their team permanently 85 miles, despite having options to stay where they were in Wycombe or move back to London; their natural home. Yet, this is apparently "good business". I really don't get it.
It's been a disaster for them
So you say that we need to own our own stadium if we are going to find a decent new owner. But if we own our own stadium with Wasps it would wreck any chance of finding a buyer?
Maybe it would give Wasps a chance of getting their own stadium built down south. But whatever it would be better to have somewhere to play than nowhere if looking for a buyer. And wouldn't CCFC be a better bet in a higher division than a rugger club that is miles away from home?
Hardly anyone is saying accept them.Thing is, we don't know if it will or won't be yet.
The more support and acceptance they get, of course, the more likely it'll be a success...
What SISU need to do if they sell is sell it to a group with the financial might to build a new stadium , then continue with their petty fight with the council.
That would really fuck the council up, because that's is the last thing they want.
Get a big investment company that has the balls to take us away from the Ricoh, and get the new stadium built.
They have started the fight with the council, continue with it but sell the club for a pound to some mega rich conglomerate .
It's obvious they are only interested in the fight with the council, so offload the sideshow that is CCFC
Thing is, we don't know if it will or won't be yet.
The more support and acceptance they get, of course, the more likely it'll be a success...
I'm not missing your point. I think that you are missing mine.I think you're missing my point.
Wasps rugby, ACL, CCFC all under one owner, all interdependent, all part of the same group of companies. Plus you have to include IEC and compass into thr mix.
You don't think that it going to out perspective owners off? What do they buy? They only want the football and the stadium, but the 3 companies are all interrelated. You think the owners of wasos will want to sell the football club and the stadium without wasps and wasps effectively become thr new ccfc? Plus thr bonds and everything mean the bondholders effectively own acl anyway and they would need to agree too. Its not clean.
When we talk about stadium ownership its not just the freehold, plenty of clubs have longlease and gain all revenues. I would say we would be more appealing in a 15-18k partnership with CRFC than we would in wasos ownership embroiled within a number of companies and businesses.
And who's to say if wasps buy us they would want us in a higher division? The rugby club is the priority, ffp in league one limits spending, being in the championship would mean them having to put £5-6m pa in just to tread water. They haven't got the money.
Even italia confesses he doesn't think they would invest in us just keep us ticking over so they can benefit from us financially.
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I think the way out of this mess Is every cover football fan throws there lot in with Coventry rugby club, if you can watch a wasp game have beers and crisps go do it down butts, I don't think ccc will let us go there no matter what, but we can fuck them and Wasps up by making our rugby club bigger. The day armstrong came after our academy is a piss take talking about looking at 17 sites and higgs ticked all the boxes fuck off mate total piss take, I feel sorry for the young lads and the staff Im not talking about sisu I'm talking about everyone who plays works for the club who could not enjoy the sunshine because they are worried about the future these wankers are playing God fuck them.I'm not missing your point. I think that you are missing mine.
What is worth the most? A football club playing in its own city with it's own ground and moving Wasps nearer to where it should be or the gamble of Wasps taking off in Coventry if they both couldn't Co exist?
If they can move a rugger club nearly 100 miles why wouldn't they do it again if it was worth money to them? But again I don't think that it will happen. It is the most realistic way out of this mess I can think of though.
I think there is funding behind it, but if there is Council money involved we should challenge it, why should one sport be favoured?Not sure which is more hilarious, the idea that Wasps are this genius sporting powerhouse with a grand plan for domination in which we're just a pawn, or this idea that the 'City of Rugby' is anything more than a glorified press release. The way some people are talking about it on here you'd think it was the Chinese Cultural Revolution. Looks to me like a bunch of rugby clubs (including Cov) trying to get a bit of extra publicity.
Not a bad ideaI think there is funding behind it, but if there is Council money involved we should challenge it, why should one sport be favoured?
I suggest someone writes a FOI request to CCC to ask about sports funding budgets.
Must admit I wouldn't, unless of course it was no longer Coventry city etc.
While it was the same club I'd still go, I go now with sisu there and did before. If the colours changed, name changed etc I'd be out.
Well it's a first. A poster who has allowed someone else to write his OP for him to create some PR
A new low.
Yep, you could argue that going in with wasps and the Ricoh wrecks any (extremely) slim chance of getting a decent owner or oil billionnaire, or Arabian Prince in the future.
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They are doing well and getting good crowds. They are booking concerts and off field stuff whilst hosting us as tennants.
What do you want me to say? It's been a disaster for them.
I hate the fuckers and they should of stayed in London after all they were called London wasps but I'm sorry they have outplayed our owners at every turn. Their model and plan is working well no matter what we think.
I'm not missing your point. I think that you are missing mine.
What is worth the most? A football club playing in its own city with it's own ground and moving Wasps nearer to where it should be or the gamble of Wasps taking off in Coventry if they both couldn't Co exist?
If they can move a rugger club nearly 100 miles why wouldn't they do it again if it was worth money to them? But again I don't think that it will happen. It is the most realistic way out of this mess I can think of though.
Wasps won't move back to London now
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