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Judicial review day 3 - judgement day (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Jun 12, 2014
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #176
Just read about the kam case. The EC previously took a loose approach to state aid having an effect of trade in the EU but it's tightened since that case. ACL are arguing that the loan didn't effect trade in the market.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...8QFjAB&usg=AFQjCNG6GJ3rCqr_alZ8PJyVWseLPnkd1g
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #177
Lots of looking around by wiggy bunch. What's next? Rico trombone solo?
 

spider_ricoh

New Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #178
So what now - summing up?
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #179
Ah, Sisu QC's chance for rebuttal
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #180
Sisu QC's chance to put the boot into CCC QC after getting a minor kicking over the past few sessions
 

Sub

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #181
Simon Gilbert@TheSimonGilbert · 23s ACL man finished. Now back with Sisu QC.
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #182
fernandopartridge said:
Just read about the kam case. The EC previously took a loose approach to state aid having an effect of trade in the EU but it's tightened since that case. ACL are arguing that the loan didn't effect trade in the market.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...8QFjAB&usg=AFQjCNG6GJ3rCqr_alZ8PJyVWseLPnkd1g
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And that is why Chris West has always said it did not constitute state aid.
 

Sub

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #183
Bus lane/black cabs/minicabs case brought up because of the European competition argument in this case.
Simon Gilbert (@TheSimonGilbert) has just made the point that we’ve finally got a lot of the key people together in the same room - just not the right one.
ACL QC says you can’t compare Coventry with Copenhagen when referring to a state aid case involving a Danish arena which Sisu raised yesterday.
ACL QC finishes by repeating claim that no economic analysis has been provided by Sisu into the effect on competition/trade of the council loan to ACL.
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #184
Rob S said:
Mark Labovitch:

'My 1st ever tweet. Honoured to be mentioned by Simon Gilbert, the Harry Styles of local journalism'

Haha! Simon does have a touch of the boy band about him it has to be said [Says me who has the look of Tim Fisher's dog's arse on a cold morning]
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Ha, Take That, Simon...
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #185
spider_ricoh said:
So what now - summing up?
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Time for a rendition of 'Fuck the Police' by NWA then a game of hide and seek followed by ice-cream and a bouncy castle outside.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #186
stupot07 said:
Depends on what the brief of said PR company is, if it's to throw mud at others to distract from ACLs own failings...

Personally I don't see why they needed them, they already have their own PR and communications team.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors
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Selling the arena to customers and handling a hostile attack on your business are two different things.

Here's the thing with this "mud slinging" claim. Every piece of evidence I have seen that's helped me make a decision on Sisu has either been: Fisher/Waggot/Garlick at a forum, OSB's analysis of the finances, my own views on how the club is being run, us going to Northampton, Joy's interviews, Labovitch's statements, documentary evidence given by fans at the forum/by MPs.

Which of those exactly, did WS have control over? Surely not the club (which is by far the majority of negative info). I doubt you're claiming the conspiracy goes all the way up to Parliament? Maybe the kid who gave over his payslip showing he worked for CCFC Ltd?

However, the emails to Jan, the rumours of council illegality or incompetence, the Sisu skeleton argument, everything else that's come out against ACL/CCC/SBT/Higgs/CET has come from random posters on here, closed meetings that people are reluctant to talk about, etc. etc.

Which is really the actions of an organisation utilising the dark PR arts to sling mud?
 

Sub

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #187
Sisu QC starts his response.
Says council QC’s submissions contained a “Substantial amount of bluster”.
 

Rob S

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #188
Sub said:
Simon Gilbert (@TheSimonGilbert) has just made the point that we’ve finally got a lot of the key people together in the same room - just not the right one.
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A point I made 30 mins before. Good to see our impartial reporter is on top of things.
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #189
Sub said:
Sisu QC starts his response.
Says council QC’s submissions contained a “Substantial amount of bluster”.
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Bloody Fisherism
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #190
MusicDating said:
Ha, Take That, Simon...
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Atz least he can't be "misquoted" if he tweets.... although he could say his twitter account has been hacked
 
B

_brian_

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #191
MusicDating said:
Ha, Take That, Simon...
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Nope! One Direction, I believe!!!
 
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Jack Griffin

Guest
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #192
Sub said:
ACL QC infers Coventry not as metropolitan as Copenhagen after Sisu cited case law example in that city earlier in proceedings.
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[video=youtube;eEwdroXuL8A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEwdroXuL8A[/video]
 

Sub

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #193
Simon Gilbert@TheSimonGilbert · 20s Sisu QC says council loan to ACL was the worst of four available options and amounted to state aid.
 
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Jack Griffin

Guest
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #194
Coventry & Copenhagen(above) .. compare & contrast..
[video=youtube;1WhhSBgd3KI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WhhSBgd3KI[/video]
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #195
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC says council loan to ACL was the worst of four available options and amounted to state aid.
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #196
AFCCOVENTRY said:
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC says council loan to ACL was the worst of four available options and amounted to state aid.
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Sounds like toys out of the pram moment. Sisu lost out.. Tough luck!
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #197
AFCCOVENTRY said:
Bloody Fisherism
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I'm disappointed that in three days of court so far, Fisher hasn't coached his QC to use my favourite: 'two turkeys do not an eagle make'

Unless he's saving it for if they win; with in the context of his performance compared with the QC's of ACL and CCC?!?
 

Sub

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #198
Sisu QC says club was financially embarrassed and the situation “couldn’t go on”.
Judge responds: “It could not go on without rent being paid.”

Sisu QC says club couldn’t afford to pay the rent as it was (£1.3m). “Something had to be done”.
He also refers to ACL and says both they and the club “were drowning”.

Sisu QC insists loan was state aid and was irrational. “It was the worst of four options.”
 

wes_cov

New Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #199
"Sisu QC says council loan to ACL was the worst of four available options"....... For my client

Think he missed that part
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #200
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
I'm disappointed that in three days of court so far, Fisher hasn't coached his QC to use my favourite: 'two turkeys do not an eagle make'

Unless he's saving it for if they win; with in the context of his performance compared with the QC's of ACL and CCC?!?
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If Sisu win and Fisher comes out with "Well we beat two sides today, but ... I guess two turkeys does not an eagle make." *puts on shades, rides off on Harley*

All is forgiven.
 

Sub

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #201
Sub said:
Sisu QC says club was financially embarrassed and the situation “couldn’t go on”.
Judge responds: “It could not go on without rent being paid.”

Sisu QC says club couldn’t afford to pay the rent as it was (£1.3m). “Something had to be done”.
He also refers to ACL and says both they and the club “were drowning”.

Sisu QC insists loan was state aid and was irrational. “It was the worst of four options.”
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Judge was straight to the point on not paying the rent !
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #202
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC argues other options for ACL could have been restructured debt with bank, become insolvent or to do a deal with Sisu.
 

Sub

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #203
Simon Gilbert@TheSimonGilbert · 10s Sisu QC argues other options for ACL could have been restructured debt with bank, become insolvent or to do a deal with Sisu.
 

Sub

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #204
Judge: “Council had a commercial interest in the ACL that they may have wished to protect.”
Sisu QC arguing as to the value of ACL.
 

The Penguin

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #205
AFCCOVENTRY said:
@TheSimonGilbert: Sisu QC argues other options for ACL could have been restructured debt with bank, become insolvent or to do a deal with Sisu.
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So getting a loan from CCC is worse than becoming insolvent?

Interesting logic
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #206
Sub said:
Judge was straight to the point on not paying the rent !
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Don't think the judge is going to fall for this sisu act. It's pretty obvious acl hot problems once sisu stopped paying rent that was a contractual obligation as soon as sisu realised it wasn't gaining the Higgs share and not able to restructure the loan.

Seppala you lost.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #207
I've given Garlick some stick, but to be fair.



That's how you handle getting photographed going into court. She should offer joy her PR coaching services.
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #208
The Penguin said:
So getting a loan from CCC is worse than becoming insolvent?

Interesting logic
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Or do a deal with sisu. Laughable
 

Sub

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #209
Simon Gilbert@TheSimonGilbert · 3s Judge clarifies state aid is about creating distortions in the market. Also says councillors allowed to consider policy in loan decision
 

RegTheDonk

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #210
Nick said:
I know I was just joking as people seem to think if people are crammed together it instantly means something. I did make sure I put smileys on the end
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The jury is instructed to dissregard the previous statment
 
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