JPT or FA CUP? (1 Viewer)

coundonskyblue · Nov 21, 2012

covcity4life said:
area semi final

really the quarter final

If you consider the prize is a trip to Wembley then its a Semi final

kg82 · Nov 21, 2012

coundonskyblue said:
If you consider the prize is a trip to Wembley then its a Semi final

Don't think you get a trip to Wembley in the area final, it's just a two-legged affair.

Otis · Nov 21, 2012

skybluelee said:
Yeah, there was nothing lighthearted about my post at all.

Yeah, got that. Just thought it was worth listing who was left. I had no idea myself until I checked it.

Theging1987 · Nov 21, 2012

Lets live in the now, a couple of good results don't make a playoff pushing season quite yet, lets settle for staying up and concentrate on the best chance of a wicked day out at wembley and a bit if something to celebrate, don't give a flying fcuk whether its m. Mouse d. Duck or chip and dale. Jpt all the way. Pusb

Otis · Nov 21, 2012

Yep, two wins and people are getting a tad carried away.

We shouldn't lose on Saturday and should indeed bag the 3 points, but our home form is poor and this is Coventry City we are talking about here.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if we lost against Pompey.

Theging1987 · Nov 21, 2012

Otis said:
Yep, two wins and people are getting a tad carried away.

We shouldn't lose on Saturday and should indeed bag the 3 points, but our home form is poor and this is Coventry City we are talking about here.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if we lost against Pompey.

And there on a losing streak, so who do u play to break a bad streak, hmmmmm I wonder!

Otis · Nov 21, 2012

And as for the JPT, even though we are at home you would have to say Sheff Utd. will probably go into the game as favourites.

They've only lost one league game all season so far.

Theging1987 · Nov 21, 2012

Like to think cup games are a little bit different but if we can keep on bangin the goals in might give them something to think about, although they will also know we concede a few!!

Black6Osprey · Nov 21, 2012

Answering the OP. Looking at the amount of tickets we have sold for both games so far I would suggest the general concesus must be neither.

wingy · Nov 21, 2012

Got to remember a lot of people will pay on the gate to save ticket collection inconvenience .
The game itself is interesting ,in that we can take a measure of progress ,as we've played and drawn against them at home already.

Paxman II · Nov 22, 2012

I only care for getting out of this league post haste. I couldn't give a monkey's (ooh is that racist?) for either cup competitions.

If we stay in these cup games we will get beat at some point, have low crowds, injured players, tired players, suspensions and the rest of it and we will live to regret not concentrating on the primary objective. Be careful what you wish for...

Otis · Nov 22, 2012

No shame in wishing for a Wembley appearance. No shame at all.

The league is the most important but I honestly don't think we have any chance of the top 6 anyway. We just need to make sure we are well clear of any nonsense at the other end of the table.

The JPT however is doable. Silverware in any form can only be a good thing.

Black6Osprey · Nov 22, 2012

wingy said:
Got to remember a lot of people will pay on the gate to save ticket collection inconvenience .
The game itself is interesting ,in that we can take a measure of progress ,as we've played and drawn against them at home already.

Understand that but considering the cost or lack of to get in I would suggest about 2000 sold for JPT and maybe 3000 for FA Cup to date. That's pretty rubbish even with a decent walk up.

Otis · Nov 22, 2012

JPT is only £5 though.

Another couple of wins and it might well bring a few thousand more in. A 10,000 crowd would be great. Guess a lot depends on how many Sheff Utd. bring.

Black6Osprey · Nov 22, 2012

Otis said:
JPT is only £5 though.

Another couple of wins and it might well bring a few thousand more in. A 10,000 crowd would be great. Guess a lot depends on how many Sheff Utd. bring.

I know I'm bringing 2 kids (neither support City and 1 has never been to a game before) and my old man to JPT due to the cheapness but when I went online to check availibility in the one stand available I find it nearly empty.

Astute · Nov 22, 2012

Otis said:
The league is the most important but I honestly don't think we have any chance of the top 6 anyway.

No chance of top 6 finish?

Including cup games we are THE form team. 5 wins out of 6. Last 2 away games we have scored 8 and only let 1 in. Only 10 points away from 3rd whilst all the top teams are dropping points. 4 clean sheets in those 6 games. 16 goals for and only 4 against. Pompey at home next

Will we have to be in the top 6 before you believe we even have a chance of making the playoffs?

Otis · Nov 22, 2012

We have won 2 out of our last 3 games and have narrowed the gap to the top 6 by only 1 point.

We are 9 points behind. That is still massive. It's not just 3 wins, it's 3 wins in conjunction with other teams picking up 0 points.

To breach that gap is going to take some time and then if we do it is all then about maintaining that form. I just don't think we are good enough to maintain any level of good form for any period of time.

We have also lost 19 points from winning positions, have lost 4 out of our 9 homes games, are only playing well in fits and starts and our top goalscorer could be gone in Jan.

Even if we got into the top 6 I wouldn't believe we would make the play-offs, cos I don't believe we are good enough to maintain the form that would keep us there.

I would say that is quite sensible thinking.

Black6Osprey · Nov 22, 2012

This is very true Otis. Getting away from the bottom where teams aren't getting many points is much easier than closing the gap at the top. We are showing great form at present and have barely closed the gap on the top 6. We have a very difficult December which will either get us way too excited than we are used to or normal service will be resumed.

Otis · Nov 22, 2012

I just haven't seen anything from us that makes me think we can sustain any good form for any sustained period of time.

It's looking like we are going to need around 50 more points to have a chance at the play-offs. 50 points from 27 games is an average of nearly 2 points a game. It's a massive ask.

The thing for me too is that to my mind our 2 best players at the club are DMC and Bailey. Both of which we look like we could be losing in Jan.

Bottom line for me is that if our performances had been anything like approaching convincing I would be feeling a lot more optimistic. They haven't been though have they. Fits and starts ups and downs, the odd 45 minute here and there.

We are work in progress. Going to take some time to become a good side in this league.

Would love to be proved wrong though.

Astute · Nov 22, 2012

And looking at 2 wins out of 3 instead of 5 out of 6 isn't looking at the situation with negativity? So now only being 10 points from 3rd isn't a big improvement?

If anyone would have said we would win 5 out of 6 you would have said they were mad. We have a good chance of making it 6 wins out of 7. Confidence must be flying. Something we have not had for many years. You can keep your negativity. I have thought all season just about that we will be OK. I will keep my positivity going.

Otis · Nov 22, 2012

That fine.

I still don't see myself as negative though. Just a realist. After Scunthorpe on here it was full of what a poor side we are. Now after 2 wins it's play-offs.

Just need to be sensible and look at the factors, as I have done above. We have only won 2 out of 9 home games. That is shockingly bad. That needs to change for starters before we consider anything else at all.

Astute · Nov 22, 2012

The same people are always on here with their negativity. A couple only come on after a defeat. Just because we have posters that came on here with their normal negativity it dont mean we can't at least make the playoffs

Otis · Nov 22, 2012

I'm really over the moon about our latest form, but by the same token can't be positive over the fact that we have only won 2 games out of 9 at home or thrown 19 points away from winning positions.

The key now is whether we can sustain this current form. I'm just saying let's at least see if we can win our next 2 home games before we start getting carried away. Our home form suggests we won't win the next 2 home games though.

I have faith in Robins. Let's hope we can indeed start winning at the Ricoh.

SkyBlueCharlie · Nov 22, 2012

Otis said:
We have won 2 out of our last 3 games and have narrowed the gap to the top 6 by only 1 point.

We are 9 points behind. That is still massive. It's not just 3 wins, it's 3 wins in conjunction with other teams picking up 0 points.

To breach that gap is going to take some time and then if we do it is all then about maintaining that form. I just don't think we are good enough to maintain any level of good form for any period of time.

We have also lost 19 points from winning positions, have lost 4 out of our 9 homes games, are only playing well in fits and starts and our top goalscorer could be gone in Jan.

Even if we got into the top 6 I wouldn't believe we would make the play-offs, cos I don't believe we are good enough to maintain the form that would keep us there.

I would say that is quite sensible thinking.

Otis, I generally agree with your post however there are a couple of points that I would take issue with; firstly I think that we are seeing that there is both the ability and perhaps more importantly, a belief within the team, that they are good enough to go on to a higher level in this division. I still think that a play-off position in a good target to aim for but no more than that.
Secondly I do not believe that MR is not fully aware of the situation with regard to McG and is already preparing for losing him and will have a replacement lined up. So at this point in time then in MR I trust.

covcity4life · Nov 22, 2012

Otis said:
I just haven't seen anything from us that makes me think we can sustain any good form for any sustained period of time.

It's looking like we are going to need around 50 more points to have a chance at the play-offs. 50 points from 27 games is an average of nearly 2 points a game. It's a massive ask.

The thing for me too is that to my mind our 2 best players at the club are DMC and Bailey. Both of which we look like we could be losing in Jan.

Bottom line for me is that if our performances had been anything like approaching convincing I would be feeling a lot more optimistic. They haven't been though have they. Fits and starts ups and downs, the odd 45 minute here and there.

We are work in progress. Going to take some time to become a good side in this league.

Would love to be proved wrong though.

we already are sustaining it, open your eyes

i have always agreed with you about performances but 30 shots in 2 games? is that not improvement? were not getting lucky wins

saying that i do not forget that murphy made key saves vs hartlepool and colchester when the games were still in the balance, were not where we need to be just yet

which i guess is a good thing because were not 100% but our results are going the right way.

and i firmly back robins to improve us so the only way is up imo

Otis · Nov 22, 2012

covcity4life said:
we already are sustaining it, open your eyes

i have always agreed with you about performances but 30 shots in 2 games? is that not improvement? were not getting lucky wins

saying that i do not forget that murphy made key saves vs hartlepool and colchester when the games were still in the balance, were not where we need to be just yet

which i guess is a good thing because were not 100% but our results are going the right way.

and i firmly back robins to improve us so the only way is up imo

Sustaining it? Unfortunately the season is 46 games long. That's what I'm talking about. Sustaining it over a long period, not just a few games.

Let's just see how we do against Pompey and Walsall and see where we are then.

skybluelee · Nov 22, 2012

Otis said:
We have won 2 out of our last 3 games and have narrowed the gap to the top 6 by only 1 point.

We are 9 points behind. That is still massive. It's not just 3 wins, it's 3 wins in conjunction with other teams picking up 0 points.

To breach that gap is going to take some time and then if we do it is all then about maintaining that form. I just don't think we are good enough to maintain any level of good form for any period of time.

We have also lost 19 points from winning positions, have lost 4 out of our 9 homes games, are only playing well in fits and starts and our top goalscorer could be gone in Jan.

Even if we got into the top 6 I wouldn't believe we would make the play-offs, cos I don't believe we are good enough to maintain the form that would keep us there.

I would say that is quite sensible thinking.

That doesn't make sense. On the one hand you say the nine points is a huge gap to close and then on the other hand you say even if we got into the top six we wouldn't be good enough to stay there.

For us to get into the top six we will have to have demonstrated pretty much championship winning form for almost 3/4 of a season to make up for the shit start. how can you possibly claim that a side good enough to achieve that wouldn't be good enough to stay there?

They would be sky high in confidence and winning games most weeks. It
WOuld be non-sensical to suggest a team in that scenario wouldn't be good enough to stay there.

All irrelevant imo as we won't get close to the play-offs thanks to the aforementioned start we had.

If we can hit play-off form undee robins this year it will set us up nicely for next year.

Ash · Nov 22, 2012

At the same time Lee, remember a few seasons back (2009/10 season i think) we beat Peterborough away to climb up to 7th after showing play-off form to get to that point and then suddenly hitting relegation form to finish 19th at the end of the season. Most teams would be able to maintain a position they've worked so hard to gain, but this is Coventry City we're talking about!

covcity4life · Nov 22, 2012

Otis said:
Sustaining it? Unfortunately the season is 46 games long. That's what I'm talking about. Sustaining it over a long period, not just a few games.

Let's just see how we do against Pompey and Walsall and see where we are then.

you will keep saying that over and over

we could win all 46 games 5-0 and you will just say "lets see if we can sustain this in the championship next year"

ICHAN · Nov 22, 2012

Think as fans were to used to being let down over and over again, never achieving anything, after having so much shit these past few years some are just waiting for the usual to happen, maybe thats why they don't want to believe we can get into the top 6 and promoted, why can't this be our season for once?
Are the players and the club finally getting over the fact we are where we are and no longer going to stroll this league?
Has MR finally got the players starting to have self belief?
I remember reading on here when we got relegated some saying that this league will be a stroll, if fans believed this then I can only assume some of the players would have also had this attitude and the ethos at the club is starting to be changed where they thought turning up was all that mattered, now they may want to be winners?
After all MR came from somewhere where winning is all that mattered.

covcity4life · Nov 22, 2012

i get that ichan,i am the same

in my 2 down 3 to go original post i clearly states that i understood cov could let us down vs scvunny and they did

you dont have to be deluded to think cov can do well

this is first time in a long time i feel we can keep on winning,starting with pompey saturday

but to say 6 wins in 8 or whatever it is,is not sustaining form is just silly.

Otis · Nov 22, 2012

I didn't say it wasn't. We are talking about different things. We are sustaining a some form now but I don't feel we can sustain it over the course of a whole season. How is that silly?

Teams have good runs and poor runs all season, it is only the very few right at the top of the pile who can sustain form over a period of time.

Seen nothing yet to say to me we are a good side. We're getting there but it will take time.

Nothing silly in what I have said at all. The debate was all about whether we can make the play-offs. To make the play-offs you have to have some sustained form over a period of time not just a few games.

Otis · Nov 22, 2012

covcity4life said:
you will keep saying that over and over

we could win all 46 games 5-0 and you will just say "lets see if we can sustain this in the championship next year"

No I wouldn't, cos that would have been sustaining form over a period of time and then I would have been saying we sustained form.

Otis · Nov 22, 2012

skybluelee said:
That doesn't make sense. On the one hand you say the nine points is a huge gap to close and then on the other hand you say even if we got into the top six we wouldn't be good enough to stay there.

For us to get into the top six we will have to have demonstrated pretty much championship winning form for almost 3/4 of a season to make up for the shit start. how can you possibly claim that a side good enough to achieve that wouldn't be good enough to stay there?

They would be sky high in confidence and winning games most weeks. It
WOuld be non-sensical to suggest a team in that scenario wouldn't be good enough to stay there.

All irrelevant imo as we won't get close to the play-offs thanks to the aforementioned start we had.

If we can hit play-off form undee robins this year it will set us up nicely for next year.

It makes perfect sense. We are 9 points adrift of 6th. If we got to 6th (which we could do if we have a good run) I just don't think we are good enough to stay there.

Makes perfect sense. Tranmere are top. Had a great run. Will they be in the top 6 come in the of the season? Who knows. Possibly not. Many would say they are over achieving and they were not at all one of the favourites for promotion.

They could stay there, they may not. Yeovil started off really well and were in the top 3. Are they 3rd now? No, they are 12th.

What I say makes perfect sense. We may have a good enough run to possibly hit the top 6 but I don't think this squad is good enough or strong enough for us to stay there.

covcity4life · Nov 22, 2012

Otis said:
I didn't say it wasn't. We are talking about different things. We are sustaining a some form now but I don't feel we can sustain it over the course of a whole season. How is that silly?

Teams have good runs and poor runs all season, it is only the very few right at the top of the pile who can sustain form over a period of time.

Seen nothing yet to say to me we are a good side. We're getting there but it will take time.

Nothing silly in what I have said at all. The debate was all about whether we can make the play-offs. To make the play-offs you have to have some sustained form over a period of time not just a few games.

oh dont like being unfairly called silly i see

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