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CJparker

CJparker

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Haven't spotted anyone else linking the supposedly "newly hands-on" role of Joy Seppala with the sudden sacking of AT - but it makes sense.

Fisher and Iggy were in charge as CCFC went down under AT, so they are the constant with last season's under-performance. The only difference I can see is that over the summer it was stated (by Fisher in the CT) that Joy would be taking a more prominent role - to me it feels like the sacking of AT has got her fingerprints on.

Yes, she would have had to sign it off anyway, but I think she has actually made the decision and given it to Fisher to get on with justifying.
 
Grendel

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She wouldn't know what he even looks like and wouldn't care. Fisher and waggot have a budget and run the club independantly within those constraints.

By all accounts it's waggot who persuaded the board to pull the trigger.
 
CJparker

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Nah I think it was premature - 3 league games in, unbeaten!! Of those games:
1) opening day at a tight away ground, oppo really up for it - they have won all their games since and are joint top!
2) we weathered a first half battering, came out and looked good then got caught on the break; and
3) brilliant first half then let it slide second half

So essentially AT got sacked on the back of 1 (ONE!!!!) bad game - 1st half v Blades and 2nd half v Bury - that's what I call harsh! And after being given budget to bring in a whole new team as well!

Still, not to dwell on it all too much...it makes me think we should have a director of football in place who actually knows about the game and is able to make football decisions like who should be the manager - whatever you think of SISU, they are not football experts so why do they trust themselves to make important football decisions?

If it's true that Waggott made the call, then I'd like to know more about his background and what qualifies him to do so.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Waggot is effectively director of football as he was at Charlton working for....Tim Fisher.
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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CJparker said:
Nah I think it was premature - 3 league games in, unbeaten!! Of those games:
1) opening day at a tight away ground, oppo really up for it - they have won all their games since and are joint top!
2) we weathered a first half battering, came out and looked good then got caught on the break; and
3) brilliant first half then let it slide second half

So essentially AT got sacked on the back of 1 (ONE!!!!) bad game - 1st half v Blades and 2nd half v Bury - that's what I call harsh! And after being given budget to bring in a whole new team as well!

Still, not to dwell on it all too much...it makes me think we should have a director of football in place who actually knows about the game and is able to make football decisions like who should be the manager - whatever you think of SISU, they are not football experts so why do they trust themselves to make important football decisions?

If it's true that Waggott made the call, then I'd like to know more about his background and what qualifies him to do so.
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4 games in is a bit harsh but AT said if X, Y and Z were to happen, things would change, that basically why he was allowed to stay!

We made the same mistakes as last season and the constraints of last season N/A as he had some sort of 'backing' and assuming 10 games in and we were struggling and he got sacked, that's 7 more games in which we have dropped points and more points off the top etc.

The board lost confidence, so sacked him, which I applaud because they acted quickly.

Also, I think if he had 10-15 games and did poorly, we would moan for him being allowed to stay so long and blast the board for being slow etc.
 
Sick Boy

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CJparker said:
Nah I think it was premature - 3 league games in, unbeaten!! Of those games:
1) opening day at a tight away ground, oppo really up for it - they have won all their games since and are joint top!
2) we weathered a first half battering, came out and looked good then got caught on the break; and
3) brilliant first half then let it slide second half

So essentially AT got sacked on the back of 1 (ONE!!!!) bad game - 1st half v Blades and 2nd half v Bury - that's what I call harsh! And after being given budget to bring in a whole new team as well!

Still, not to dwell on it all too much...it makes me think we should have a director of football in place who actually knows about the game and is able to make football decisions like who should be the manager - whatever you think of SISU, they are not football experts so why do they trust themselves to make important football decisions?

If it's true that Waggott made the call, then I'd like to know more about his background and what qualifies him to do so.
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Thorn was not sacked on the basis of one game.

Waggot certainly seems to know what he is going compared to the man who appointed Thorn full-time.... Ken Dulieu.
 
CJparker

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SkyBlue_Taylor said:
4 games in is a bit harsh but AT said if X, Y and Z were to happen, things would change, that basically why he was allowed to stay!

We made the same mistakes as last season and the constraints of last season N/A as he had some sort of 'backing' and assuming 10 games in and we were struggling and he got sacked, that's 7 more games in which we have dropped points and more points off the top etc.

The board lost confidence, so sacked him, which I applaud because they acted quickly.

Also, I think if he had 10-15 games and did poorly, we would moan for him being allowed to stay so long and blast the board for being slow etc.
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Sadly it looks like we'll never know...the question of whether AT could have led us to promotion with HIS squad will remain unanswered
 
AFCCOVENTRY

AFCCOVENTRY

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Joy isn't involved in the football side of things at all.

Fisher is in charge of day to day operations
Waggott is there to support the manager and in charge of the football on the pitch side of things

Fisher and Waggott make the calls on the manager
 
cloughie

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Grendel said:
She wouldn't know what he even looks like and wouldn't care. Fisher and waggot have a budget and run the club independantly within those constraints.

By all accounts it's waggot who persuaded the board to pull the trigger.
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Agree with what you say about joyless and independant running but with pulling the trigger on thorn, yes waggott thats because fisher hasn't got a clue about football

one of us must have had a bang on the head grendel as we are agreeing again LOL:eek:
 
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CJparker said:
Sadly it looks like we'll never know...the question of whether AT could have led us to promotion with HIS squad will remain unanswered
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The answer is very very simple - not in a million years!

Thorn was virtually the perfect storm of incompetence, weak leadership, naive tactically, poor communicator, one dimensionel - and so it goes on!

When a man with decades of football experience cannot get a team of professional footballers to do the basics, there should have been alarm bells ringing far far earlier.

Just look at his record in the first 20 games.

That record alone should have got him the sack. Nothing he did in the remainder of the season changed that.

To say he was only given 4 games is just wrong - he was given over 60 games. As I say, if he couldn't get results in 20 games he never could!
 
brinner

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CJparker said:
Haven't spotted anyone else linking the supposedly "newly hands-on" role of Joy Seppala with the sudden sacking of AT - but it makes sense.

Fisher and Iggy were in charge as CCFC went down under AT, so they are the constant with last season's under-performance. The only difference I can see is that over the summer it was stated (by Fisher in the CT) that Joy would be taking a more prominent role - to me it feels like the sacking of AT has got her fingerprints on.

Yes, she would have had to sign it off anyway, but I think she has actually made the decision and given it to Fisher to get on with justifying.
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agree with most of that.

we did not underperform last season tho, Mourinho wudnt have kept that shower up,
 
Grendel

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brinner said:
agree with most of that.

we did not underperform last season tho, Mourinho wudnt have kept that shower up,
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Yes he would.
 
Delboycov

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Why do people keep saying AT was sacked over one half of a game? (or 2 half's). Last season we threw away countless leads which resulted in us losing something like 30+ points....points that would've seen us safe. Something was very wrong, whether it was poor tactics, wrong formation, bad timing of substitutions or just plain lack of fight and fitness. I was there protesting against SISU but a lot of the capitulations we witnessed had nothing to do with them. The start of this season just encapsulated everything that was wrong with us last season, with our inability to hold on to a lead and for me the only bad decision from Shitsu concerning Thorn....whether that was Joyless or whoever was that they didn't sack him sooner.
 
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ccfcway

ccfcway

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his win record is the worst in our history
HIS team let 3 leads slip in 3 games, despite promising lessons were learnt from last season
we were going nowehere but further down the slippery slope with Thorn,

lets move on
 
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Thorn is gone so lets move on. crewe was a disaster new manager is needed sonner rather than later.
 
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