Yeah I agree he would have been. I must have misinterpreted your original comment.Fascinating, I was talking about the days when we only had one to eleven on the shirts, if Michael Doyle had been playing back in them days he would have been the number four.
I remember the good old days when the number 6 plays long side the number 5 both Centre Half's.
And the number 4 would be the defensive midfielder i.e Ernie Machin ,Lloyd McGrath, Michael Doyle.
The “good old days” of rigid formations and dull, unimaginative football. Thank goodness we’ve moved on.
I remember the good old days when the number 6 plays long side the number 5 both Centre Half's.
And the number 4 would be the defensive midfielder i.e Ernie Machin ,Lloyd McGrath, Michael Doyle.
So who was our best No. 17? Doyle or Gyokeres?Michael Doyle wore 17 when signed the first time in 2003/04 and continued with it for the next season. The season afterwards
(2005/06) He moved to number 8 and was captaining that season if my memory serves. Then he wore 8 until he was loaned out to Leeds in 2009/10. He then had 8 again when he returned in League 2 in 2017/18. I am a bit of a Doyle fan if you can not tell and was my favourite player after McSheffrey left in 2006.
TLDR: Doyle did not wear 4 for us. He wore 17 and then 8
He literally had the No. 8Fascinating, I was talking about the days when we only had one to eleven on the shirts, if Michael Doyle had been playing back in them days he would have been the number four.
Yeah not like today, players rolling around on the floor and playing chuckle brothers football.
"To me to you" and always passing it inside.
Yeah that's really entertaining.
Gyok....only because Doyler had his best days in an 8 shirt hahaSo who was our best No. 17? Doyle or Gyokeres?
The Sven days of EnglandYeah, posted this before but in the good old 442, pre big squad number days, the numbers would be:
1 GK
2 RB
3 LB
4 CM/DM
5 CB
6 CB
7 RM
8 CM/AM
9 ST
10 ST
11 LM
I’m guessing you’re the one shouting “forward” at every opportunity? If you took off your rose-tinted glasses, you’ld see that the standard of football and technical ability are now light years ahead of your good old days. Added to that, I’m sure you would also remember the dreadful pitches, the incessant backpasses, no incentive to try and win games (as only 2 points for a win), unpunished thuggery on the pitch, poor crowds, appalling stadiums.
Is it perfect? Of course not - we’ve got VAR, weak referees not enforcing the laws/guidance, undoubtedly more playacting and the game being run by Sky. But on balance, it’s a massively better sport to watch. And before you ask, I’ve been watching since 1964 so suffered through the old (but not good) days.
For the record I've never shouted forward, shoot yes, not enough shooting in our team is what I say.
He literally had the No. 8
Maybe. But you said in the old days with 1-11 he'd be 4. He had no 8 for years which, last time I checked, was between 1 and 11.Nah, Ian Gibson was a number 8, could pass a ball and score goals.
Maybe. But you said in the old days with 1-11 he'd be 4. He had no 8 for years which, last time I checked, was between 1 and 11.
Yeah, I used to be one of those shouting "forward" and "shoot" at every opportunity, but just look how many goals Clarrie Bourton got that season.I’m guessing you’re the one shouting “forward” at every opportunity? If you took off your rose-tinted glasses, you’ld see that the standard of football and technical ability are now light years ahead of your good old days. Added to that, I’m sure you would also remember the dreadful pitches, the incessant backpasses, no incentive to try and win games (as only 2 points for a win), unpunished thuggery on the pitch, poor crowds, appalling stadiums.
Is it perfect? Of course not - we’ve got VAR, weak referees not enforcing the laws/guidance, undoubtedly more playacting and the game being run by Sky. But on balance, it’s a massively better sport to watch. And before you ask, I’ve been watching since 1964 so suffered through the old (but not good) days.
The “good old days” of rigid formations and dull, unimaginative football. Thank goodness we’ve moved on.
Don't forget the back pass!
I'm not disagreeing with you on what number he should be in this hypothetical 1-11. I'm saying he literally was 8. For years.Right let's talk hypothetically, if Ian Gibson and Michael Doyle were in the same side who would be the number 4 and who would be the number 8.
Don't forget the back pass!
Yeah, I used to be one of those shouting "forward" and "shoot" at every opportunity, but just look how many goals Clarrie Bourton got that season.
It was justified and "lump it forward and shoot" was tactical masterstroke of its day
I'm not disagreeing with you on what number he should be in this hypothetical 1-11. I'm saying he literally was 8. For years.
Though I will be controversial in saying I never liked having the 4 as a midfielder with 5 and 6 as defenders. I preferred 4 as a CB and 6 as a midfielder.
He didn't want to go.
We could have tried to force him out for the money, (has happened often in the past), but we didn't, and equally he could have dug his heels in.
One things for sure, his value has dropped, and I'd say quite dramatically.
Missed all of pre-season, chucked into a team in disarray and expected to lead the ship. Give him 5-6 months of injury free football and his value will dramatically rise again. (contract dependant of course)He didn't want to go.
We could have tried to force him out for the money, (has happened often in the past), but we didn't, and equally he could have dug his heels in.
One things for sure, his value has dropped, and I'd say quite dramatically.
I think it has, he has looked much worse than last season.I hear you, but I would say his value hasn't dropped that dramatically. I don't think it was anywhere near as high as some were making out it was in the first place. This is partially qualified by no real suitable offers coming in. If there had been no question Doug would have sold him.
1.5 yearsHow long does sheaf have left on his contract
If we could get 8 figures in January I’d snap their hand off1.5 years
I think it has, he has looked much worse than last season.
Bassette, not accident I think.So who was our best No. 17? Doyle or Gyokeres?
I hear you, but I would say his value hasn't dropped that dramatically. I don't think it was anywhere near as high as some were making out it was in the first place. This is partially qualified by no real suitable offers coming in. If there had been no question Doug would have sold him.
We definitely got offered 15
He declined the move not the club.
I can't see any way we get that for him now though hopefully you're right and his value hasn't dropped too much.
I know someone who knows his family, I haven't seen them for a bit but will probably see them at Cardiff so will try to find out more.
I still find it very hard to believe.
His value hasn't dropped much, but that figure you're quoting, if true, was a stupid high offer and was well above it, not the benchmark for it. It should have been accepted, because amongst other reasons, I can't see in any world how someone offers anything close again.
No doubt his family will say Barcelona are coming in for him in January, and people will lap it up. Inflated view of oneself is a problem here, and it's had a big impact on us as a squad.
Like I say, he didn't want to go, what can you do?
He obviously has a higher opinion of himself than we do.
I don't think the club would have tried to persuade him to stay if he wanted to go for that money.
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