Jon Venables recalled to prison (1 Viewer)

Captain Dart

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Nick

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Should just secretly tell a dangerous prisoner who he is. Save the tax payer money looking after him.
 

eastwoodsdustman

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He was just 10 though. We surely had to try. Can't just lock him away forever at the age of 10 and throw away the key and besides, Robert Thompson. The other boy, has not re-offended at all since his release. Whatever we did there seems to have worked for him.

This case shows that some people are beyond any help. Simple and cheapest solution would be a bullet in his head.
 

Otis

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Well I for one am very glad we live in a country where we don't sentence 10 year old children to death.

Problem seems to me was that we let them out too early, just 8 years into their sentence and it should maybe at least been more gradual.

What they did was horrendous, but they were just children.
 

clint van damme

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Well I for one am very glad we live in a country where we don't sentence 10 year old children to death.

Problem seems to me was that we let them out too early, just 8 years into their sentence and it should maybe at least been more gradual.

What they did was horrendous, but they were just children.

it's one of the most horrendous crimes I can remember but it still didn't sit comfortably with me watching crowds of adults chasing the police van that was taking them from court and screaming abuse at two children regardless of what they'd done.
Having said that, you wonder if someone who did something so evil at that age can ever be allowed to live in society without presenting some sort of danger to the public.
 

chiefdave

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Lets face it the prison system is rehabilitating virtually no one. Its also not acting as much of a punishment / deterrent.

Maybe time for a rethink, what are the alternatives?
 

Nick

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Lets face it the prison system is rehabilitating virtually no one. Its also not acting as much of a punishment / deterrent.

Maybe time for a rethink, what are the alternatives?

It depends on the crime I think.

When people are such a danger to others like he is it needs to be severe. Some people will be beyond rehabilitating.
 

eastwoodsdustman

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Would you shoot a ten year old in the head?

Only if I was in Isis or an American citizen. My point, which I'm sure you get, is that one is clearly beyond help despite numerous offences and rehabillitation whereas the other has seemingly kept on the straight and narrow since his conviction.
 

clint van damme

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Only if I was in Isis or an American citizen. My point, which I'm sure you get, is that one is clearly beyond help despite numerous offences and rehabillitation whereas the other has seemingly kept on the straight and narrow since his conviction.

I understand the point, and if you were saying it about an adult I wouldn't bat an eyelid. It's just to say it about a child doesn't sit right with me. But then you think about what they did and it's horrific.
It's one of those thankfully rare cases that the crime, and the reaction to it, really raise some searching questions about the society we live in.
 

Nick

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I understand the point, and if you were saying it about an adult I wouldn't bat an eyelid. It's just to say it about a child doesn't sit right with me. But then you think about what they did and it's horrific.
It's one of those thankfully rare cases that the crime, and the reaction to it, really raise some searching questions about the society we live in.

No if they are 10 you need to give them the chance to at least try and change while they grow up.

It's obvious this guy isn't going to and is just going to be a danger to others while he is in public and is always going to need extra protection in prison. Just a drain on society.
 

eastwoodsdustman

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I understand the point, and if you were saying it about an adult I wouldn't bat an eyelid. It's just to say it about a child doesn't sit right with me. But then you think about what they did and it's horrific.
It's one of those thankfully rare cases that the crime, and the reaction to it, really raise some searching questions about the society we live in.

I wouldn't condone shooting a child no mater what they'd done. He's now an adult and had enough chances to change and hasn't, he's clearly a danger to the public and by the looks of things kids especially. He'll serve no real purpose in life other than to drain the system. I'd go as far to say that if it was one of my relatives who had done and still does what he does then I wouldn't batter an eyelid if he was executed.
I think that they were dealt with leniently as they were both kids at the time and society in general likes to think that kids don't do what they did. Hence why they were released fairly early on.Clearly Venables is just a vile creature.
 

Otis

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I understand the point, and if you were saying it about an adult I wouldn't bat an eyelid. It's just to say it about a child doesn't sit right with me. But then you think about what they did and it's horrific.
It's one of those thankfully rare cases that the crime, and the reaction to it, really raise some searching questions about the society we live in.
And also of Scott Bradley, who was wrongly mistaken for Robert Thompson and received lots of abuse and subsequently took his own life.
 

SkyBlueScottie

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Well I for one am very glad we live in a country where we don't sentence 10 year old children to death.

Problem seems to me was that we let them out too early, just 8 years into their sentence and it should maybe at least been more gradual.

What they did was horrendous, but they were just children.
No, the problem is he was released due to our rehabilitation efforts deeming him not a danger, (imagine being the person who signed off on that report) The problem being, this is now the 2nd time he has been caught with child pornography on his computer, he is also on his 3rd or 4th identity as he goes around "telling" people who he is... That for me shows that he is probably beyond help and should be put down like thew animal he is.
 

Otis

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No, the problem is he was released due to our rehabilitation efforts deeming him not a danger, (imagine being the person who signed off on that report) The problem being, this is now the 2nd time he has been caught with child pornography on his computer, he is also on his 3rd or 4th identity as he goes around "telling" people who he is... That for me shows that he is probably beyond help and should be put down like thew animal he is.
Well, I am totally and vehemently against capital punishment, so that would be out of the question as far as I am concerned. I do think though that he should be made to work in prison and shouldn't have the privileges of others. I think everything in prison should be earned and educational classes and work should be compulsory for many offenders.
 

skybluegod

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Well, I am totally and vehemently against capital punishment, so that would be out of the question as far as I am concerned. I do think though that he should be made to work in prison and shouldn't have the privileges of others. I think everything in prison should be earned and educational classes and work should be compulsory for many offenders.

I agree you don’t kill somebody like that because they aren’t scared of death. Any murder, killer, terrorist. Killing them is quick and simple and in most cases they are probably willing to die for what they did. You lock them up for the rest of their lives, and make them live with what they did.
 

Nick

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I agree you don’t kill somebody like that because they aren’t scared of death. Any murder, killer, terrorist. Killing them is quick and simple and in most cases they are probably willing to die for what they did. You lock them up for the rest of their lives, and make them live with what they did.

What if they aren't bothered or are proud of what they did?

They will then be protected inside so nobody can get to them. It isn't as if they are going to be putting Terrorists in with people who are going to kick the shit out of them day in day out.
 

Otis

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What if they aren't bothered or are proud of what they did?

They will then be protected inside so nobody can get to them. It isn't as if they are going to be putting Terrorists in with people who are going to kick the shit out of them day in day out.
I do believe if you are a child killer you have to be separated from the general prison population, because they really do pick on you and give you a rough ride.
 

bringbackrattles

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Sex offenders go on Rule 43 which means segregation from other cons. But many a nonce (sex case) has been killed by another con on rule 43. So even there they're not entirely safe. They do kill each other !
 

Sky Blue Pete

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Well, I am totally and vehemently against capital punishment, so that would be out of the question as far as I am concerned. I do think though that he should be made to work in prison and shouldn't have the privileges of others. I think everything in prison should be earned and educational classes and work should be compulsory for many offenders.
Have you any experience Otis? All prisoners have to work doing completely monotonous soul destroying tasks for minimal pay. Many are locked up for 16-18 hours a day. There are educational classes and you would be horrified at the lack of educational ability with many of them. Maybe there’s a link! My experience of our prison system is that it’s fundamentally broken. Utterly broken. The only useful purpose is it keeps some people away from others and they don’t commit crime whilst there apart from against other prisoners. Don’t get me wrong people deserve to be punished but there must be a better way
 

bringbackrattles

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Have you any experience Otis? All prisoners have to work doing completely monotonous soul destroying tasks for minimal pay. Many are locked up for 16-18 hours a day. There are educational classes and you would be horrified at the lack of educational ability with many of them. Maybe there’s a link! My experience of our prison system is that it’s fundamentally broken. Utterly broken. The only useful purpose is it keeps some people away from others and they don’t commit crime whilst there apart from against other prisoners. Don’t get me wrong people deserve to be punished but there must be a better way
As I've said on here before I've been in prison, but been out twenty years. When I was doing time it was months of boring work and long hours banged up in a cell,shared with 2 others. No complaints though as we deserved to be locked up.
But prison won't change anybody, you have to change yourself.
 

Otis

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As I've said on here before I've been in prison, but been out twenty years. When I was doing time it was months of boring work and long hours banged up in a cell,shared with 2 others. No complaints though as we deserved to be locked up.
But prison won't change anybody, you have to change yourself.
All they can do is to encourage you to want to change I guess.
 

Grendel

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He was just 10 though. We surely had to try. Can't just lock him away forever at the age of 10 and throw away the key and besides, Robert Thompson. The other boy, has not re-offended at all since his release. Whatever we did there seems to have worked for him.

Yes by torturing and murdering a two year old Thompson’s life was significantly enhanced
 

Sick Boy

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Shocking to see that some people believe the state should execute a 10 year old child. No doubt they then drone on about Shariah Law when they'd probably fit in quite nicely.

The system seems to have worked for the other one but Venebles should be sentenced indefinitely.
 

Nick

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Shocking to see that some people believe the state should execute a 10 year old child. No doubt they then drone on about Shariah Law when they'd probably fit in quite nicely.

The system seems to have worked for the other one but Venebles should be sentenced indefinitely.

Nah not for me, not when he was 10 but quite happily after he has been given enough time to show signs of change as an adult.
 

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