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Frostie

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #71
shmmeee said:
My concern is Robins seemed to run a mile from the idea of two up front recently. Been saying in interviews “it’s not us” and defending one up against Wycombe etc.

Fair enough if that’s what he wants to play, but if he does buying Walker was a massive waste of everyone’s time.
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Pretty sure he said it's not as simple as 2 up front = More goals like most think but that he'd switch between 1 up & 2 up depending on the opposition & situation.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #72
shmmeee said:
My concern is Robins seemed to run a mile from the idea of two up front recently. Been saying in interviews “it’s not us” and defending one up against Wycombe etc.

Fair enough if that’s what he wants to play, but if he does buying Walker was a massive waste of everyone’s time.
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'It's not us' yet our most impressive performances and wins this season have come playing it and commentators observe it seems a more natural fit for us. It's like he wants relegation to go as tight as possible
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #73
I understand we can't play 2 up every match .

That's a given to me
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #74
Evo1883 said:
I understand we can't play 2 up every match .

That's a given to me
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Why?

We have one AM in the entire squad we trust to get on the pitch. One ST means just two attacking players and you get what we’ve got: isolation and a compressed back line/midfield.

If he wants to play one up IMO we need to play O’Hare and Györkeres as wide forwards in a three. One way or another you need at least three attacking players on the pitch, if not four or five.
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #75
shmmeee said:
Why?

We have one AM in the entire squad we trust to get on the pitch. One ST means just two attacking players and you get what we’ve got: isolation and a compressed back line/midfield.

If he wants to play one up IMO we need to play O’Hare and Györkeres as wide forwards in a three. One way or another you need at least three attacking players on the pitch, if not four or five.
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Certain formations and teams will overload the middle and beat us comfortably if we take the extra man out.. if we had better players I'd agree with you , we could play 2 up every week to offset as we'd have a better defence ..but with us conceding silly goals we should adjust to each team accordingly

If we are to play 2 up I'd rather we do it in a 442 as you can defend in 2 banks of 4 and stay tight .

We don't have the players to play 442
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #76
Evo1883 said:
Certain formations and teams will overload the middle and beat us comfortably if we take the extra man out.. if we had better players I'd agree with you , we could play 2 up every week to offset as we'd have a better defence ..but with us conceding silly goals we should adjust to each team accordingly
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I think my main point is that defence isn’t just having loads of defenders on the pitch but can also be having the ball away from your goal for extended periods.

Have four midfielders and two wingbacks if you want, but don’t make all bar one of them defensive minded. I’d rather Jamie Allen even in the two behind the striker. Anyone with an attacking mindset. Hamer is not an AM.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #77
shmmeee said:
But we play with a target man. If you aren’t going to utilise JCH in that role then you’re sticking him at CM or something, or you’re changing the shape of the team to fit him in.
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'Target man' in the mould of Biamou. This is what I couldn't understand about Robins' logic. He seemed hell-bent to converting him into Biamou 2.0 where he could disrupt play, hold the ball up, bring others into attack and essentially do the dirty work when this just wasn't his game at all. It never was.

But when he discarded him he regularly started Baka who despite Robins' efforts can do none of those things anyway. It was just a bizarre decision when we were already struggling for goals - I believe we finished the season with our GF on par with a couple of those in the relegation spots - and yet play-offs were still within reach.

Out of any of the strikers he brought in that season I believe JCH would've been the easiest to accommodate if Robins was willing to make minor tweaks to his attacking play by focusing more on getting crosses into the box and encouraging JCH to make runs in behind when opportunities arise. Really, if you look back at some of the goals during that season not all that dissimilar to how we played, especially with regards to other players creating chances from crosses/through balls. However, once Robins gets set in his ways about something that's it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #78
shmmeee said:
Why?

We have one AM in the entire squad we trust to get on the pitch. One ST means just two attacking players and you get what we’ve got: isolation and a compressed back line/midfield.

If he wants to play one up IMO we need to play O’Hare and Györkeres as wide forwards in a three. One way or another you need at least three attacking players on the pitch, if not four or five.
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We should learn from Barnsley's approach to games-play to your strengths against everyone and accept the defeats against the best sides in the division.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #79
shmmeee said:
My concern is Robins seemed to run a mile from the idea of two up front recently. Been saying in interviews “it’s not us” and defending one up against Wycombe etc.

Fair enough if that’s what he wants to play, but if he does buying Walker was a massive waste of everyone’s time.
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This is another issue that's regularly apparent. If he wants a way of playing that's absolutely fine. But the insistence on bringing in strikers to play a particular role that negates their core qualities is nothing short of odd and a significant waste of budget.
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #80
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We should learn from Barnsley's approach to games-play to your strengths against everyone and accept the defeats against the best sides in the division.
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To be fair , we've looked terrible at times with 2 up too .

Surely people realise by now that we aren't really that much better ...the main factor in our league position really has been the loss of our two main strikers for extended periods and our captain.

I'd argue we had a fully fit squad for most the season we'd be sat about 15th and not worrying about relegation

Another 7 or 8 points on what we have currently would have been achieved I think
 
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Frostie

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #81
shmmeee said:
I think my main point is that defence isn’t just having loads of defenders on the pitch but can also be having the ball away from your goal for extended periods.

Have four midfielders and two wingbacks if you want, but don’t make all bar one of them defensive minded. I’d rather Jamie Allen even in the two behind the striker. Anyone with an attacking mindset. Hamer is not an AM.
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This I agree with.
I don't think the formation has been the issue in the last couple of games, it was the choice of personnel in that midfield (and the selection of Biamou as the striker). Although I certainly wouldn't call Hamer "defensive minded" he's definitely better operating from deeper.

If we're to play the box it has to be Hamer + Kelly or James as the deeper 2 with O'Hare + 1 (Allen imo) as the CAMs.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #82
Frostie said:
This I agree with.
I don't think the formation has been the issue in the last couple of games, it was the choice of personnel in that midfield (and the selection of Biamou as the striker). Although I certainly wouldn't call Hamer "defensive minded" he's definitely better operating from deeper.

If we're to play the box it has to be Hamer + Kelly or James as the deeper 2 with O'Hare + 1 (Allen imo) as the CAMs.
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Let's be honest , we had the chances against Luton and Wycombe to make them totally different matches .

We failed to take them

Had we took a point at Luton and beat Wycombe nobody would really be questioning our setup that much .

The chances missed in both games were criminal in many ways
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #83
Evo1883 said:
To be fair , we've looked terrible at times with 2 up too .

Surely people realise by now that we aren't really that much better ...the main factor in our league position really has been the loss of our two main strikers for extended periods and our captain.

I'd argue we had a fully fit squad for most the season we'd be sat about 15th and not worrying about relegation
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We aren't better at all as Biamou simply can't play in a two. He lacks the positional awareness and often finds himself being dragged into strange positions which then subsequently isolates his striking partner.

However, as other posters have said it'll be interesting how a Godden and Walker partnership will look.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #84
Evo1883 said:
To be fair , we've looked terrible at times with 2 up too .

Surely people realise by now that we aren't really that much better ...the main factor in our league position really has been the loss of our two main strikers for extended periods and our captain.

I'd argue we had a fully fit squad for most the season we'd be sat about 15th and not worrying about relegation
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I'm not saying we play 5-3-2 every week and it solves all our problems. We still make problems for ourselves at the back, still miss sitters and so on. But we don't have gaping holes between midfield and the poor bugger stuck up top on his own, and we do at least get more ball time in the opposition half.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #85
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
We aren't better at all as Biamou simply can't play in a two. He lacks the positional awareness and often finds himself being dragged into strange positions which then subsequently isolates his striking partner.

However, as other posters have said it'll be interesting how a Godden and Walker partnership will look.
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Would you agree it's very reasonable to suggest that with both our main strikers fit this season we'd have more points , I think it's a fair assumption
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #86
Evo1883 said:
Would you agree it's very reasonable to suggest that with both our main strikers fit this season we'd have more points , I think it's a fair assumption
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I think that's more than a fair assumption. It's a given.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #87
Evo1883 said:
Would you agree it's very reasonable to suggest that with both our main strikers fit this season we'd have more points , I think it's a fair assumption
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I would agree, though we have been our own worst enemies defensively.
 

Evo1883

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #88
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I would agree, though we have been our own worst enemies defensively.
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And this must be frustrating , knowing that you've set up correctly as a manager and your team had made something ridiculous like 20 individual errors and hit the woodwork nearly 20 times ..

Don't get me wrong he's got things wrong , but you can't really stop the things your players do during those 90 minutes
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #89
Evo1883 said:
And this must be frustrating , knowing that you've set up correctly as a manager and your team had made something ridiculous like 20 individual errors and hit the woodwork nearly 20 times ..

Don't get me wrong he's got things wrong , but you can't really stop the things your players do during those 90 minutes
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I largely agree but there is a caveat to bring up when mentioning Ostigard's headers off the line-it's our only set piece strategy so it's not tough to just stick defenders at the back peg to clear.
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #90
If we were gonna brush up on our horrific defensive mistakes, with 37 games played, we already would have.
 

Hobo

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #91
JCH totally under performed here. But another ex player some are obsessed with.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #92
Kilclines curly mullet said:
I bet the Sheffield United fans were saying the same when they let McNulty go on a free and he ended up scoring 28 goals for us
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Haha, yeah sure!
 

Frostie

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #93
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I largely agree but there is a caveat to bring up when mentioning Ostigard's headers off the line-it's our only set piece strategy so it's not tough to just stick defenders at the back peg to clear.
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Just 2 goals from Corners is awful.

 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #94
Frostie said:
Just 2 goals from Corners is awful.

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Joint best with Rotherham for goals from indirect free kicks though. Which is an interesting contrast.
 

PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #95
Ccfcisparks said:
You still haven't answered my question G, who was the starter in League 2 JCH or Mcnulty?
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Max was ahead of JCH in the pecking order explains a lot really
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #96
Kept max yet let JCH go
 

PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #97
Frostie said:
Just 2 goals from Corners is awful.

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One good thing about this is that it shows we dont rely on penalties like some teams, I like to annoy my mate who is a United fan calling Bruno and Manchester United pen merchants but moving on, if you think about it we have shown we can score goals that are not handed to us on a plate (well other than Max as much as I like him)
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #98
PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
Max was ahead of JCH in the pecking order explains a lot really
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I suspect selfies were never a JCH thing
 

Hobo

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #99
Grendel said:
I suspect selfies were never a JCH thing
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JCH 44 ap 8 gls
Max 90 ap 13 gls

Pretty even apart from a lot of Max's appearances have been in Championship this season.

Both are below standard. Dont embarrass youself anymore with the Max hate and the JCH love. Both are your illogical extremes.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #100
Hobo said:
JCH 44 ap 8 gls
Max 90 ap 13 gls

Pretty even apart from a lot of Max's appearances have been in Championship this season.

Both are below standard. Dont embarrass youself anymore with the Max hate and the JCH love. Both are your illogical extremes.
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Yeah guess Max is being touted for £5 million
 

Hobo

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #101
Grendel said:
Yeah guess Max is being touted for £5 million
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Neither were with us
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #102
Hobo said:
Neither were with us
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So you think Clarke Harris and biamou are equal in ability?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 31, 2021
  • #103
PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
One good thing about this is that it shows we dont rely on penalties like some teams, I like to annoy my mate who is a United fan calling Bruno and Manchester United pen merchants but moving on, if you think about it we have shown we can score goals that are not handed to us on a plate (well other than Max as much as I like him)
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What?
 

PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Apr 1, 2021
  • #104
Deleted member 5849 said:
What?
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I dont know just trying to get something good from a bad situation
 

PUSB-We_are_going_up

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 1, 2021
  • #105
Grendel said:
I suspect selfies were never a JCH thing
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Then that must be the reason surely although he used to smile alot as well
 
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