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Transfer Rumour January transfer window (9 Viewers)

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David O'Day

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #141
SkyBlueSteve81 said:
The same was true for McFadzean and look at the difference he made to our team.
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?

The point is we don't play 3 cbs so why sign someone who can only really play as part of a 3?
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #142
SBT said:
Why not?
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because those are not the tactics FL plays
 

skybluecam

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #143
SBT said:
Why not?
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Lampard doesn’t play a back 5. And I don’t see him ever using one with us.
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #144
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
He won't be on that at all. I'd advise you don't take what you read on Google as fact.
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Well that is what the websites that list these things say he is on
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #145
David O'Day said:
because those are not the tactics FL plays
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Balli001 said:
Lampards whole managerial career he hasnt played a back 5
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Is he incapable of trying something different? I would have thought he'd be up for playing whatever system best fit the squad.
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #146


Anyway, lord knows what was happening here, must have been an imposter Frank Lampard in charge that night?
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #147
SBT said:
Is he incapable of trying something different? I would have thought he'd be up for playing whatever system best fit the squad.
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Well history shows he is very unlikely to play a back 5 so why buy/loan someone who can only play in a 5?

Also we recruited for a 4 so if he is going to play what suits the squad best then once again it is a back 4.
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #148
Balli001 said:
Lampards whole managerial career he hasnt played a back 5
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He played a 5-2-3 at Everton at times. Not saying he will here as I don’t think he will but has played a back five.
 
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SBT

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #149
David O'Day said:
Well history shows he is very unlikely to play a back 5 so why buy/loan someone who can only play in a 5?

Also we recruited for a 4 so if he is going to play what suits the squad best then once again it is a back 4.
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Well he wasn't involved in the recruitment, so I would hope he has enough tactical flexibility in him to play whatever system we need to garner results. We kind of need that at the minute.

If that turns out to be 3ATB (as has been the case for us in the past) then I would question the wisdom of hiring a manager who'd burst into flame at the thought of deviating from his preferred formation.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #150
Also football has moved on from set roles, a lot more happens in transition. Since in his possession the tactic was a 3-2-5/3-4-3 you could argue it was as much as a back three as the Robins 3-5-2 which had a back four in defence
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #151
David O'Day said:
Well that is what the websites that list these things say he is on
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Ah it must be true then.

2024-2025 Coventry Salaries and Contracts

Just like this one which lists Binks on £30k pw.
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #152
David O'Day said:
Well that is what the websites that list these things say he is on
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Most of those sites are just clickbate or guess work. No idea what he’s on but it is a lot for a player who doesn’t play many games , in a team which don’t pay as high wages as other teams
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #153
Sky Blue Goblin said:
He played a 5-2-3 at Everton at times. Not saying he will here as I don’t think he will but has played a back five.
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a few times against elite teams
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #154
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Also football has moved on from set roles, a lot more happens in transition. Since in his possession the tactic was a 3-2-5/3-4-3 you could argue it was as much as a back three as the Robins 3-5-2 which had a back four in defence
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it's no where near the same, apart from 2 games that had Rudoni at LWB we defended with a 5 and played full backs as wingbacks so there was no back 4
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #155
David O'Day said:
it's no where near the same, apart from 2 games that had Rudoni at LWB we defended with a 5 and played full backs as wingbacks so there was no back 4
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Those are the games I was referring to as the last robins tactic. Didn’t make that clear but you see my point
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #156
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Those are the games I was referring to as the last robins tactic. Didn’t make that clear but you see my point
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2 games? by the Derby game Rudi was playing as a normal lb in defence hence him being in a left position when he played that awful back pass
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #157
David O'Day said:
2 games? by the Derby game Rudi was playing as a normal lb in defence hence him being in a left position when he played that awful back pass
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My point being is that formations aren’t static, Binks isn’t the model Leftback but in a tactic which converts it to a 3 at the back hes a lot better fit.

Robins last tactic was a back three on paper but morphed in defence to a 4-4-2, when does a tactic become a three at the back in attack or in defence or in transition?

For example is the Lampard tactic the 3-4-3 in attack (3-2-5) or the 4-4-2 in defend
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #158
Sky Blue Goblin said:
My point being is that formations aren’t static, Binks isn’t the model Leftback but in a tactic which converts it to a 3 at the back hes a lot better fit.

Robins last tactic was a back three on paper but morphed in defence to a 4-4-2, when does a tactic become a three at the back in attack or in defence or in transition?
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He didn't drop to left back in those games either, he played as a wide cb who overlapped much like Chris Wilders used to when they had O'Connell and Basham.

Attacking shapes change to defensive shapes after the transition phase.

If we buy someone like Coady you end up with him being in a 3 when we have the ball then having to defend in a 4 and getting ripped to shreds.

We need experience but we need them to be mobile and than isn't cheap of likely available in January.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #159
We appointed Lampard because of a desire to get somebody more tactically agile so of course he'll rigidly stick to a formation.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #160
shmmeee said:
The CB is going to be someone from a higher division who isn’t getting game time really. Anyone that fits the bill we might go after?
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Not higher division, is getting game time, but I wonder whether Liam Cooper could be tempted. No idea how fit he is nowadays as he seems to have only played half the games in the last 4 seasons but unsure whether that was because of fitness or ability.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #161
SBAndy said:
Not higher division, is getting game time, but I wonder whether Liam Cooper could be tempted. No idea how fit he is nowadays as he seems to have only played half the games in the last 4 seasons but unsure whether that was because of fitness or ability.
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Playing in the Bulgarian league for CSKA Sofia bizarrely.
 
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Deity

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #162
Tactically agile doesn’t mean swapping formations every few minutes.

Liverpool and Arsenal have tactically capable managers but their formation rarely alters. How they set up within that formation is the thing that tends to alter, how they tweak the personnel to address the opposition, using subs for game management etc.

Pep is the outlier who is much more flexible with his formations.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #163
Deity said:
Tactically agile doesn’t mean swapping formations every few minutes.

Liverpool and Arsenal have tactically capable managers but their formation rarely alters. How they set up within that formation is the thing that tends to alter, how they tweak the personnel to address the opposition, using subs for game management etc.

Pep is the outlier who is much more flexible with his formations.
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I never said it did, but it certainly does not mean rigidly sticking to something that worked once with a different set of players.
 
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Deity

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #164
fernandopartridge said:
I never said it did, but it certainly does not mean rigidly sticking to something that worked once with a different set of players.
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Managers / Head coaches tend to have a football philosophy and a preferred formation and they take that to reach club they go to.

Sometimes they are pragmatic when they arrive because of the limitations of the existing squad but each transfer window tends to see them bring in people that can play in their preferred style.

I can’t think of too many highly successful managers that deviated much from this aoproach.
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #165
Deity said:
Tactically agile doesn’t mean swapping formations every few minutes.

Liverpool and Arsenal have tactically capable managers but their formation rarely alters. How they set up within that formation is the thing that tends to alter, how they tweak the personnel to address the opposition, using subs for game management etc.

Pep is the outlier who is much more flexible with his formations.
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Liverpools formation changes loads, TAA steps in to CM from RB

Arsenal do the same but with the LB
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #166

Inside Liverpool’s Tactical Shift: Arne Slot’s 3-4-4 Formation Explained

Read this news on OneFootball.
onefootball.com

He's a piece on how Slot likes his players to change position mid gae depending on situations
 
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Deity

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #167
David O'Day said:
Liverpools formation changes loads, TAA steps in to CM from RB

Arsenal do the same but with the LB
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Nope. The formation doesn’t change, how they deploy it changes.

Liverpool play 4 at the back, they don’t fluctuate. How they utilise that 4 does change depending on the opposition.
 
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Deity

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #168
David O'Day said:

Inside Liverpool’s Tactical Shift: Arne Slot’s 3-4-4 Formation Explained

Read this news on OneFootball.
onefootball.com

He's a piece on how Slot likes his players to change position mid gae depending on situations
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A change of position within an established formation.
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #169
Feel like we need a tactic post to go over all this under lamps
 
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David O'Day

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #170
Deity said:
A change of position within an established formation.
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it's a change of formation, it clearly says so

but crack on being wrong fella
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #171
Deity said:
Nope. The formation doesn’t change, how they deploy it changes.

Liverpool play 4 at the back, they don’t fluctuate. How they utilise that 4 does change depending on the opposition.
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you really have no clue what we are talking about

ok
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #172
@Deity

Some videos about what we are talking about and how formations and shapes change in game



These show how back 4's change to back 3's at elite teams when in possession
 
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Deity

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #173
I’ve seen them before.

I’ve also read that article which suggests Liverpool play with 12 players….

At its core the article and videos show that these teams have a consistent formation ( 4-3-3) which they flex in the match by asking either a full back or a CDM to take up a different position on the pitch depending on the game management they are deploying/

What they don’t do is play 5-3-2 one match, 4-4-2 the next 4-3-3 , the next a lone striker , etc etc etc …. The very thing we have witnessed at Cov this season.

They flex within an established formation we flex the entire formation.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #174
Deity said:
Nope. The formation doesn’t change, how they deploy it changes.

Liverpool play 4 at the back, they don’t fluctuate. How they utilise that 4 does change depending on the opposition.
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The formation doesn't change just the positions of the individual players
 
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Deity

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  • Dec 5, 2024
  • #175
fernandopartridge said:
The formation doesn't change just the positions of the individual players
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It’s a little too complex for you I would imagine.
 
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