Transfer Rumour Jamie Patterson (4 Viewers)

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jan 16, 2023

Evo1883 said:
His stats are on par with ilias chair at this level who I'm sure most city fans would love to have here but would cost a few million

I guess it depends on who you are comparing them to, but we need to look at ourselves first really. We need midfielders that can chip in with at least 5, but more towards 10 goals a season. At present we don't have any and it is a bigger problem than people think.

Our main attacking midfielder, O'Hare, (who is now out injured), can't hit a barn door. Our one striker who has everything on his shoulders still misses a lot of chances anyway, and the rest of our midfield are, putting it politely as possible, goal shy. Allen should contribute more, and Sheaf is just an embarrassment whenever he gets in the box. He fell over twice against Burnley. Hamer if he didn't play so deep would probably score more, but seems to do well on the assist front. Wingbacks also score once a blue moon. Bidwell one goal for us, and I don't think Dabo has ever scored. I just checked and we are 20th in the league for total goals scored in The Championship. That's abysmal, but not actually that surprising for me, because I feel like I spend half my life moaning about us wasting chances.

Patterson I would imagine would make us better in that department, so I would be in favour of signing him. Palmer for me was probably a similar chunk out the budget and is proving to be largely as many of us expected - some good bits and pieces, but not enough goal contributions, and not able to do it for long enough periods. We need to upgrade desperately. Is Patterson that? Yes. Is he the messiah? Perhaps a stretch too far.

If he joins, I think we should be happy with the decision, but I would exercise some caution also. If he can find the form from last season then it will be a great signing though, so let's just hope for that. Likewise, I'm also quietly hoping Godden can come back and hit the ground running. If he, Patterson, and Gyokeres can all start scoring then we'll quickly be going in the right direction.

Grendel · Jan 16, 2023

fernandopartridge said:
James Paterson is a good buy at that price imo

Looking at his stats he is worth a go if the wages aren’t too extreme

long way home · Jan 16, 2023

Looking at MR comments today i wouldn't be surprised if a new structure is being put in place for transfers with age brackets being used as a guideline on to what can be offered.

If i was Doug id be enforcing that as a policy to stop us getting stuck in deals with players we have with no potential return or potential of taking us forward on the pitch. All transfers are a gamble but i think now we as a club know what we are aiming for. Which really should help in targeting the type of players needed.

We are early into a process of Doug finding out what he has what he needs to do to give MR the best opportunity to be successful. Its going to take time with more staff coming in to help and policies put in place to help narrow down searches for new signings.

If you have a model you don't sign Waghorn, but you do put Eccles on 4 years, all are gambles but the 2nd option i would always take as a better one.

fernandopartridge · Jan 16, 2023

long way home said:
Looking at MR comments today i wouldn't be surprised if a new structure is being put in place for transfers with age brackets being used as a guideline on to what can be offered.

If i was Doug id be enforcing that as a policy to stop us getting stuck in deals with players we have with no potential return or potential of taking us forward on the pitch. All transfers are a gamble but i think now we as a club know what we are aiming for. Which really should help in targeting the type of players needed.

We are early into a process of Doug finding out what he has what he needs to do to give MR the best opportunity to be successful. Its going to take time with more staff coming in to help and policies put in place to help narrow down searches for new signings.

If you have a model you don't sign Waghorn, but you do put Eccles on 4 years, all are gambles but the 2nd option i would always take as a better one.

You'd never have a formulaic model as it would be utter nonsense.

You might have some general principles but ultimately it is pragmatism in the context of the opportunities to sign players that you have.

Johhny Blue · Jan 16, 2023

fernandopartridge said:
I think Pattinson would be a good signing

So would Pat’s son

The Philosopher · Jan 16, 2023

fernandopartridge said:
You'd never have a formulaic model as it would be utter nonsense.

You might have some general principles but ultimately it is pragmatism in the context of the opportunities to sign players that you have.

I think whatever recruitment set up we have needs a clear set of guidelines about who to pursue and what kind of deals we would offer. It would save a lot of time looking at players that DK wouldn’t sign off.

SBAndy · Jan 16, 2023

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I guess it depends on who you are comparing them to, but we need to look at ourselves first really. We need midfielders that can chip in with at least 5, but more towards 10 goals a season. At present we don't have any and it is a bigger problem than people think.

Our main attacking midfielder, O'Hare, (who is now out injured), can't hit a barn door. Our one striker who has everything on his shoulders still misses a lot of chances anyway, and the rest of our midfield are, putting it politely as possible, goal shy. Allen should contribute more, and Sheaf is just an embarrassment whenever he gets in the box. He fell over twice against Burnley. Hamer if he didn't play so deep would probably score more, but seems to do well on the assist front. Wingbacks also score once a blue moon. Bidwell one goal for us, and I don't think Dabo has ever scored. I just checked and we are 20th in the league for total goals scored in The Championship. That's abysmal, but not actually that surprising for me, because I feel like I spend half my life moaning about us wasting chances.

Patterson I would imagine would make us better in that department, so I would be in favour of signing him. Palmer for me was probably a similar chunk out the budget and is proving to be largely as many of us expected - some good bits and pieces, but not enough goal contributions, and not able to do it for long enough periods. We need to upgrade desperately. Is Patterson that? Yes. Is he the messiah? Perhaps a stretch too far.

If he joins, I think we should be happy with the decision, but I would exercise some caution also. If he can find the form from last season then it will be a great signing though, so let's just hope for that. Likewise, I'm also quietly hoping Godden can come back and hit the ground running. If he, Patterson, and Gyokeres can all start scoring then we'll quickly be going in the right direction.

That’s about as I read things. The wing backs are one of my biggest concerns as they should be chipping in with 3-5 a season given the system. We essentially need a front man who can hit 15, AMs should be aiming for 10, then a further 15-20 spread across the midfield (including WBs in this). Allen’s having a more productive season but I see this as his ceiling - he will never get close to 10 in the Championship.

This is also not allowing for goals from the bench, defenders, etc. Need to be getting on for 65 in a full season as a squad to be challenging at the right end of the table.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jan 16, 2023

SBAndy said:
That’s about as I read things. The wing backs are one of my biggest concerns as they should be chipping in with 3-5 a season given the system. We essentially need a front man who can hit 15, AMs should be aiming for 10, then a further 15-20 spread across the midfield (including WBs in this). Allen’s having a more productive season but I see this as his ceiling - he will never get close to 10 in the Championship.

This is also not allowing for goals from the bench, defenders, etc. Need to be getting on for 65 in a full season as a squad to be challenging at the right end of the table.

I think the nature of the goals we have been conceding are so frustrating that it has pulled the spotlight away, but I've felt like it has been a theme for a few seasons that we just extremely wasteful at the other end of the pitch. Some were arguing that scoring goals wasn't an issue for us, but I couldn't disagree with that more.

Get your point on the wingbacks certainly, they are practically midfielders in some ways, but even McFadzean outscored them and most of the midfield last season anyway. Godden gets overlooked, but he got 12 last season and without that things would have looked a lot different. We more or less play with six in midfield at the moment, but I have little faith any of them are ever going to score.

Deleted member 9744 · Jan 16, 2023

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I guess it depends on who you are comparing them to, but we need to look at ourselves first really. We need midfielders that can chip in with at least 5, but more towards 10 goals a season. At present we don't have any and it is a bigger problem than people think.

Our main attacking midfielder, O'Hare, (who is now out injured), can't hit a barn door. Our one striker who has everything on his shoulders still misses a lot of chances anyway, and the rest of our midfield are, putting it politely as possible, goal shy. Allen should contribute more, and Sheaf is just an embarrassment whenever he gets in the box. He fell over twice against Burnley. Hamer if he didn't play so deep would probably score more, but seems to do well on the assist front. Wingbacks also score once a blue moon. Bidwell one goal for us, and I don't think Dabo has ever scored. I just checked and we are 20th in the league for total goals scored in The Championship. That's abysmal, but not actually that surprising for me, because I feel like I spend half my life moaning about us wasting chances.

Patterson I would imagine would make us better in that department, so I would be in favour of signing him. Palmer for me was probably a similar chunk out the budget and is proving to be largely as many of us expected - some good bits and pieces, but not enough goal contributions, and not able to do it for long enough periods. We need to upgrade desperately. Is Patterson that? Yes. Is he the messiah? Perhaps a stretch too far.

If he joins, I think we should be happy with the decision, but I would exercise some caution also. If he can find the form from last season then it will be a great signing though, so let's just hope for that. Likewise, I'm also quietly hoping Godden can come back and hit the ground running. If he, Patterson, and Gyokeres can all start scoring then we'll quickly be going in the right direction.

Hamer's goalscoring record, especially this season is good for a deep lying midfielder.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jan 16, 2023

Deleted member 9744 said:
Hamer's goalscoring record, especially this season is good for a deep lying midfielder.

He is the biggest goal threat we have from midfield definitely. I have always been curious how he would play if he was further up the pitch as his vision is more or less the best in the team.

5 goals in his first season, 3 last season, 4 so far this season. He could still score more in my opinion, but even with the pretty low tally last season, he still outscored most of the team. Kind of solidifies the point really.

lord_garrincha · Jan 16, 2023

Wing backs have not helped the scoring situation.

From memory they only scored 2 last season (Kane & Maatsen v Fulham. Rest were further forward) & 1 this season (Bidwell New Years Day).

Hopefully, the 2 new lads step up. The only regular(ish) scoring WB was McCallum in L1.

stevefloyd · Jan 16, 2023

Godden doesn't historically hit the ground running and his last spell before his latest injury he looked pretty poor, lets hope that changes. The amount of games we are 'the best' team in terms of performance but time and time again we don't take our chances and end up gifting a goal, now in those games if we had taken those chances it would certainly deflate the opposition and improve our chances of wins (no shit sherlock).
Allen is almost consistently poor although he runs about and uses his energy we need better quality in that position, I do give him pelters at times because he frustrates the hell out of me and its not his fault he is so lightweight and I am not so sure about him even being a squad player if we can replace him and get another 'prospect' for that position, we need much much better quality from the bench to actually really challenge for the prem BUT we have most of the makings of being a decent team just a few short and another good attacking option

ceetee · Jan 16, 2023

It's frustrating that Allen actually makes good runs into scoring positions - more than anyone else - but his conversion rate is so low

fernandopartridge · Jan 16, 2023

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
He is the biggest goal threat we have from midfield definitely. I have always been curious how he would play if he was further up the pitch as his vision is more or less the best in the team.

5 goals in his first season, 3 last season, 4 so far this season. He could still score more in my opinion, but even with the pretty low tally last season, he still outscored most of the team. Kind of solidifies the point really.

I get where you're coming from but on the other hand his long passing and ability to drive forward with the ball are pretty important to how we play

Deleted member 9744 · Jan 16, 2023

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
He is the biggest goal threat we have from midfield definitely. I have always been curious how he would play if he was further up the pitch as his vision is more or less the best in the team.

5 goals in his first season, 3 last season, 4 so far this season. He could still score more in my opinion, but even with the pretty low tally last season, he still outscored most of the team. Kind of solidifies the point really.

I don't think he would be as effective further forward. He could probably play in that position but he is better using his vision from further back.

Greggs · Jan 16, 2023

Apparantly hearing rumours he turned up pissed for his medical this morning. Not a good start really is it?
Did you have him out down the Spon Gate last night @Saddlebrains?

MalcSB · Jan 16, 2023

Greggs said:
Apparantly hearing rumours he turned up pissed for his medical this morning. Not a good start really is it?
Did you have him out down the Spon Gate last night @Saddlebrains?

You have misheard, he turned up with dark yellow piss.

The Philosopher · Jan 16, 2023

Jamie Pissederton.

fatso · Jan 16, 2023

ceetee said:
It's frustrating that Allen actually makes good runs into scoring positions - more than anyone else - but his conversion rate is so low

It would help of Gyokeres looked up and passed to him occasionally.

Saddlebrains · Jan 16, 2023

Greggs said:
Apparantly hearing rumours he turned up pissed for his medical this morning. Not a good start really is it?
Did you have him out down the Spon Gate last night @Saddlebrains?

True im afraid, i had to fuckoff early so Bright filled in for me and they went Samoan Joes with Hamer until 4am

fernandopartridge · Jan 16, 2023

Greggs said:
Apparantly hearing rumours he turned up pissed for his medical this morning. Not a good start really is it?
Did you have him out down the Spon Gate last night @Saddlebrains?

Shame that Jimmy Patobanton loves a drink

AFCCOVENTRY · Jan 16, 2023

JimmyHillsbeard · Jan 16, 2023

fatso said:
It would help of Gyokeres looked up and passed to him occasionally.

Refer you to the first 15 minutes of the game on Saturday?

steve cooper · Jan 16, 2023

AFCCOVENTRY said:

Can't say the Swansea supporters are too disappointed, judging by that.

cooperskyblue · Jan 16, 2023

steve cooper said:
Can't say the Swansea supporters are too disappointed, judging by that.

Niether were Bristol City fans about Palmer. And he has turned out to be a very shrewd signing.

PVA · Jan 16, 2023

steve cooper said:
Can't say the Swansea supporters are too disappointed, judging by that.

They were absolutely delighted at Gyokeres leaving to be fair.

shmmeee · Jan 16, 2023

It probably doesn’t help him that he looks like he sells knockoff perfume out of an Asda bag in town either.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jan 16, 2023

cooperskyblue said:
Niether were Bristol City fans about Palmer. And he has turned out to be a very shrewd signing.

Has he? 1 league goal for us so far.

Tommo1993 · Jan 16, 2023

shmmeee said:
It probably doesn’t help him that he looks like he sells knockoff perfume out of an Asda bag in town either.

Nah, I had him down for spinning waltzers

CDK · Jan 16, 2023

Hope he hasn't been given a long contract without a clause of extension after 18months for another 12months(if this deal true)as much prefer taking a risk on a younger player with potential.

fatso · Jan 16, 2023

Knowing our luck, he'll do his ACL before this seasons over.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jan 16, 2023

New Beginnings said:
Patterson has none so palmers doing better then him in that department this season

Maybe.

I'm pretty sure there's a good chance Patterson will score more goals than Palmer before the end of the season if he signs though.

SBT · Jan 16, 2023

I’m willing to let the £400k thing go if we can all agree that it’s Paterson with only one ‘t’.

ccfc1234 · Jan 16, 2023

£150k up front a further 100k if we make the playoffs and a further 250k if we promote. That would be a well structured deal imo.

Skybluedownunder · Jan 17, 2023

cooperskyblue said:
Niether were Bristol City fans about Palmer. And he has turned out to be a very shrewd signing.

Would hardly say ‘very shrewd’

The guy can only play about 30 mins a match and does ‘ok’

There’s no way he can play 90 mins per game

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