Are the inverted commas suggesting anything here?Nope, just a 'knock'.
Are the inverted commas suggesting anything here?
Hope it’s more a mental concern about his body breaking than him not wanting to play.Nope, just a 'knock'.
Problem is he's consistently missed a quarter to a third of a season since we had him, this season over half
It's gotten to the point where he's not worth it anymore. And I say that as a massive Sheaf fan.
We will be offloading him in the summer after triggering his extra year, but we wont get anywhere north of 6 million (we want 6 apparently, and with Vik certain to move this summer that will give is around 12 million to throw around and hopefully keep Milan and Haji)
Hope it’s more a mental concern about his body breaking than him not wanting to play.
But heard similar noises re Sunderland away. Initially dismissed it as just couldn’t believe it.
shame as this season really harmed him.
Do you seriously think he would fake an injury? To what end?I said on another thread somewhere on here and got the usual 'I'm stirring shit' comments, but there is a frustration with these 'niggles' from within the club also
Lampard made a point of stating Josh Eccles carried on with his knock as he wants to do what he can for the team, Sheaf on the other hand feels a twinge or soreness etc and immediately he's unavailable unless he feels alright
Was also what was the source of the rumours at Sunderland away where I and others were told he 'didn't fancy it'.
Now again, I reiterate im a huge (less now tbh) Ben Sheaf fan, but we are at the stage now where unless he is fully fit and putting in performances worthy of club captain, for what we hope are 11 games to get us to the promised land, then it's right for him aswell as us as a club that he moves on
This is itHope it’s more a mental concern about his body breaking than him not wanting to play.
But heard similar noises re Sunderland away. Initially dismissed it as just couldn’t believe it.
shame as this season really harmed him.
Do you seriously think he would fake an injury? To what end?
This is it
August he was made club captain, club said you're the lynchpin, you get us up the premier league, or you can go with our best wishes to the promised land next summer
Fast forward 9 months, his best chance of being in the Premier league is with us. If we do manage it, we'd have basically done it without him, he's slipped to 4th in the CM pecking order, and any ideas he had about joining a Premier league side this summer outside of us have absolutely gone, and he knows it
So yes, could well be a mental thing, but if so, for want of a better expression, grow up and get on with it, show what you've got instead of what's happening currently
I don't disagree, but (there's always a but) your comparing a Sheaf who's struggled with injuries of late and hasn't hit form, with Jamie Allen who has just had (arguably) his best ever game in a sky blue shirt.Bit of bickering in this thread (shock) so made me think about our midfield
And amazingly, for me anyway, I had Sheaf as the 4th choice out of 5. Prepared for pelters of course But how I would rank them in order of importance to us now
Grimes
Rudoni
Torp
Allen
Sheaf
Eccles
Agree. Sadly it’s probably best for both.You might be right about it bring a mental thing.
But either way, I doubt he'll be here next season and I'll personally be glad to see him gone.
Well that's why I was asking about the inverted commas around 'knocks' and 'niggles', which suggest you believe there's something else going on.I've not said he'd fake an injury. I'm saying he has little knocks and niggles, and they seem to keep him out, whilst multiple other players with knocks play on and give their all for the side, Lampard himself has publicly said this
Agree. Sadly it’s probably best for both.
we should still remember him very fondly, played circa 150 times for us and another big part of the comeback.
Come on mate, there’s absolutely no chance In a million years he’s deliberately refusing to play. He’s come back from a long injury and any ‘knock’ he has needs to be treated with precaution. The stuff regarding not playing against Sunderland was just shit stirring bollocks from whoever made it up. Bizarre the hate sheaf is gettingI said on another thread somewhere on here and got the usual 'I'm stirring shit' comments, but there is a frustration with these 'niggles' from within the club also
Lampard made a point of stating Josh Eccles carried on with his knock as he wants to do what he can for the team, Sheaf on the other hand feels a twinge or soreness etc and immediately he's unavailable unless he feels alright
Was also what was the source of the rumours at Sunderland away where I and others were told he 'didn't fancy it'.
Now again, I reiterate im a huge (less now tbh) Ben Sheaf fan, but we are at the stage now where unless he is fully fit and putting in performances worthy of club captain, for what we hope are 11 games to get us to the promised land, then it's right for him aswell as us as a club that he moves on
I don’t see any hate towards sheaf on this post.Come on mate, there’s absolutely no chance In a million years he’s deliberately refusing to play. He’s come back from a long injury and any ‘knock’ he has needs to be treated with precaution. The stuff regarding not playing against Sunderland was just shit stirring bollocks from whoever made it up. Bizarre the hate sheaf is getting
Don’t think SB is saying he’s “refusing” to play, it’s he’s saying sheaf constantly saying he’s not fit enough to play because he has a knock, niggle etc etc. (players will always have knocks and niggles)Come on mate, there’s absolutely no chance In a million years he’s deliberately refusing to play. He’s come back from a long injury and any ‘knock’ he has needs to be treated with precaution. The stuff regarding not playing against Sunderland was just shit stirring bollocks from whoever made it up. Bizarre the hate sheaf is getting
You wouldn't hate a player who declines to play for us because they "don't fancy it"?I don’t see any hate towards sheaf on this post.
It’s not the OP, it’s just in general on here from certain people blasting him at every chance, he’s on of the best midfielders in the leagueI don’t see any hate towards sheaf on this post.
Just simple opinions that Grimes, Rudoni and Torp (and possibly Allen) are now more valuable to us in both performance and fitness wise.
Maybe best for all parties for Sheaf to leave in the summer.
I've not said he'd fake an injury. I'm saying he has little knocks and niggles, and they seem to keep him out, whilst multiple other players with knocks play on and give their all for the side, Lampard himself has publicly said this
You wouldn't hate a player who declines to play for us because they "don't fancy it"?
That game was conveniently left out of the list of games since FL has been here.
Did I say it was unique?It’s not unique - I don’t know why you think it is
Did I say it was unique?
He's been poor when he has played.
I'd actually disagree with your list and switch him to 5th and Eccles to 4th.
Who was the last captain of ours who declined to play because they didn’t fancy it?Well you seem fairly surprised at the possibility
No I wouldn’tYou wouldn't hate a player who declines to play for us because they "don't fancy it"?
Also when he’s on song Sheaf is absolutely class. FA Cup run last season, dominated Wolves and Man Utd.
If we go up this year I think we’ll need that Ben Sheaf at some point.
Oh yeah definitely.Agreed. When fit and firing there isn't much better in this league, the problem is he's hardly ever at peak fitness and quality
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