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Jamie Allen is Guilty of War Crimes (2 Viewers)

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fatso

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #211
fernandopartridge said:
Funny seeing the two sides of shmmeee on the football vs politics threads, hates Allen loves Starmer.
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Tbf though, Starmer has more footballing ability but Allen runs about more.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #212
fernandopartridge said:
Funny seeing the two sides of shmmeee on the football vs politics threads, hates Allen loves Starmer.
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I would vote Jamie Allen for PM, I wouldn’t play Starmer at AM. Hope that clears things up
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #213
shmmeee said:
I would vote Jamie Allen for PM, I wouldn’t play Starmer at AM. Hope that clears things up
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You'd willingly vote for a war criminal
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #214
shmmeee said:
I would vote Jamie Allen for PM, I wouldn’t play Starmer at AM. Hope that clears things up
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He's more of a right winger
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #215
fernandopartridge said:
You'd willingly vote for a war criminal
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It says something that I’m not sure if this is a joke about the thread or a serious opinion about a Labour leader.

(we’d better stop now or the football only purists will moan)
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #216
shmmeee said:
It says something that I’m not sure if this is a joke about the thread or a serious opinion about a Labour leader.

(we’d better stop now or the football only purists will moan)
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Even more worrying, some of the hermits that patrol the off topic chat might actually end up on a football thread!
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #217
shmmeee said:
It says something that I’m not sure if this is a joke about the thread or a serious opinion about a Labour leader.

(we’d better stop now or the football only purists will moan)
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It was a joke
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #218
fernandopartridge said:
It was a joke
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So was mine
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #219
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Even more worrying, some of the hermits that patrol the off topic chat might actually end up on a football thread!
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theirs zero chance - Tony will assume Allen is a Tory protagonist
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #220
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Didn’t you agree we all need to bouncing around singing even if it is Jamie ‘The Little Hitler’ Allen on the ball?
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As there seems to be constant calls for taxis for certain individuals surely the German national anthem?

Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Allen
Uber Allen in the wall
When his stats show shit, no buts
The fans frown, this much is true
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #221
shmmeee said:
So was mine
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Was it though?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #222
As an assessment of Allen:

I think he often takes the safe pass. So while I could see him having a good completion percentage I don't agree he tries to get us moving forward. I think he holds up attacks and allows opposition to get back in position. Like Stephen Hughes used to.

His shooting should be a bit better, but he has scored a few more goals this year so he's getting in the position more and I'd say he's improved in this respect. He's missed some very good chances though. But so has Vik and that's supposed to be his main job.

In terms of jockeying players to slow down opposition attacks allowing us to get back, that may well have truth in it, but there must be a point where we're in position and he has to try and challenge for the ball? While you don't want a player to dive in they can't just endlessly shadow a player without at some point trying to win the ball either, and I feel that largely what he does.

Of course his stamina and running are without question. He's like the sacrificial lamb to let others do their thing.

In terms of being given the captain's armband, I don't think he should have. I'm sure he's a model professional that leads by example, but you need a captain to actually be talking, motivating and managing players through games, as well as probably getting at the ref. I don't think Allen does that at all.

In summary, you'd prefer it if he wasn't starting but would be more than happy for him to be in the squad. But as it stands with our squad and the injuries (his workrate is important without O'Hare) he's playing a more prominent role than he probably should at this level.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #223
Greggs said:
that has to be the world's shittest spreadsheet, it's that bad it's almost a work of art.
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This is going in the 'never to be forgotten' folder along with Kenny Jackett

To think he's denigrated ex-colleagues on here for their shit analysis.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #224
fernandopartridge said:
Was it though?
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #225
Sky_Blue_Smitman said:
He certainly gives his all, but he just doesn't have the quality to truly influence games. For me, only in because of poor Callum's injury. Does worry me that he gets the arm band too.
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Without his contributions we are a minimum 7 points worse off
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #226
Evo1883 said:
Without his contributions we are a minimum 7 points worse off
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This is a very dumb way to look at football. It’s as bad as “we get x PPG when he plays”. Like Viks goals, we wouldn’t just be playing with ten men. Who is to say we wouldn’t have won more with a different player in?
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #227
shmmeee said:
This is a very dumb way to look at football. It’s as bad as “we get x PPG when he plays”. Like Viks goals, we wouldn’t just be playing with ten men. Who is to say we wouldn’t have won more with a different player in?
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It's dumb if it's jamie allen , great if it's sheaf or vik etc .

You've given the lad nothing
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #228
I actually think allen has been off form recently .. I just think your viewpoint in general is incredibly harsh
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #229
Evo1883 said:
I actually think allen has been off form recently .. I just think your viewpoint in general is incredibly harsh
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The irony is I’m accused of irrational hatred - and even racism - regarding the likes of Biamou Cuffey palmer - yet the slime and hatred dished out on Allen and Dabo is beyond anything I’ve seen on here
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #230
Evo1883 said:
It's dumb if it's jamie allen , great if it's sheaf or vik etc .

You've given the lad nothing
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Ive never made that argument about Sheaf or Hamer, cos it’s a dumb argument. I’ve said as much about Vik, who I rate highly. You’re just scrabbling around at this point.

Allen runs a lot. I’ve never denied that. I just think he doesn’t contribute enough on the ball and is actively detrimental to our attacking play. And at DM he’s completely pointless.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #231
shmmeee said:
Ive never made that argument about Sheaf or Hamer, cos it’s a dumb argument. I’ve said as much about Vik, who I rate highly. You’re just scrabbling around at this point.

Allen runs a lot. I’ve never denied that. I just think he doesn’t contribute enough on the ball and is actively detrimental to our attacking play. And at DM he’s completely pointless.
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Do you honestly think if o hare was fit and playing and Palmer was given the Allen role he could do the same coverage?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #232
Grendel said:
Do you honestly think if o hare was fit and playing and Palmer was given the Allen role he could do the same coverage?
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Not sure which bit of “Allen runs a lot. I’ve never denied that” is causing you trouble. Let me know and I’ll see if I can help you out.
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #233
shmmeee said:
Not sure which bit of “Allen runs a lot. I’ve never denied that” is causing you trouble. Let me know and I’ll see if I can help you out.
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Allen presses forward - covers back - closes people down rarely misplaces passes - without him we’d be fucked as o hare isn’t in the team. Which is why he’s first name on the team sheet
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #234
shmmeee said:
Ive never made that argument about Sheaf or Hamer, cos it’s a dumb argument. I’ve said as much about Vik, who I rate highly. You’re just scrabbling around at this point.

Allen runs a lot. I’ve never denied that. I just think he doesn’t contribute enough on the ball and is actively detrimental to our attacking play. And at DM he’s completely pointless.
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I'm not really scrabbling , I'm actually yet to hear anything that even makes sense from you in the debate .. it's simply " he does nothing with the ball " and that's it .

I bet you have no issue with this stat for example?
This stat will be OK though right ?
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #235
Evo1883 said:
I'm not really scrabbling , I'm actually yet to hear anything that even makes sense from you in the debate .. it's simply " he does nothing with the ball " and that's it .

I bet you have no issue with this stat for example?
This stat will be OK though right ?
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Made by Allen's runs?
 
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CCFC54321

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #236
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
As an assessment of Allen:

I think he often takes the safe pass. So while I could see him having a good completion percentage I don't agree he tries to get us moving forward. I think he holds up attacks and allows opposition to get back in position. Like Stephen Hughes used to.

His shooting should be a bit better, but he has scored a few more goals this year so he's getting in the position more and I'd say he's improved in this respect. He's missed some very good chances though. But so has Vik and that's supposed to be his main job.

In terms of jockeying players to slow down opposition attacks allowing us to get back, that may well have truth in it, but there must be a point where we're in position and he has to try and challenge for the ball? While you don't want a player to dive in they can't just endlessly shadow a player without at some point trying to win the ball either, and I feel that largely what he does.

Of course his stamina and running are without question. He's like the sacrificial lamb to let others do their thing.

In terms of being given the captain's armband, I don't think he should have. I'm sure he's a model professional that leads by example, but you need a captain to actually be talking, motivating and managing players through games, as well as probably getting at the ref. I don't think Allen does that at all.

In summary, you'd prefer it if he wasn't starting but would be more than happy for him to be in the squad. But as it stands with our squad and the injuries (his workrate is important without O'Hare) he's playing a more prominent role than he probably should at this level.
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I’ll have my 50p that he hardly plays next season and moves on come January 24.

On a side note he appears a right miserable so and so. Never appears to be enjoying his job?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #237
CCFC54321 said:
On a side note he appears a right miserable so and so. Never appears to be enjoying his job?
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Funny, because he's never happier than when he's torturing people by pulling their teeth out without anaesthetic, can't stop laughing away
 

Jamesimus

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #238
CCFC54321 said:
I’ll have my 50p that he hardly plays next season and moves on come January 24.

On a side note he appears a right miserable so and so. Never appears to be enjoying his job?
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So what you're saying is, he needs to smile more?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #239
Well I have only just skimmed through this thread so forgive me for not knowing the detail of the arguments.

There seems to be an argument that Allen gets a disproportionate amount of criticism and I think I even saw the word vitriol used. This seems bizarre to me. The criticism I see of him tends to be fairly mild and is generally along the lines of he has improved but is still limited at Championship level. Probably a reasonable squad player but if we are ambitious and looking for promotion we need better in the starting eleven.

The comments are mild compared to those made about players like Biamou, Walker, Palmer, Norton-Cuffy and Wilson. Some of the comments about them have been totally unfair in my view. Sheaf and Bidwell have also come under totally unfounded criticism at times, well in excess of anything relating to Allen.

In my view Allen has been much better this season as a whole but since the Workd Cup has regressed. I thought he was really poor on Saturday. He was also non existent at Sheffield United. I don't dislike him, in fact I respect that he has made a career at this level through hard work. In the first season back I couldn't see him surviving at this level.

As for anyone who boos any of our players at a match, I just wish they would go and do something else, or support another team. Allen has my full support every time he plays. The same even applied to Wagehorn, but that's a different story.

Commenting on here about the relative merits of players is fine. It would be boring if we all said they are all great. But anything that undermines individual players at matches is off limits in my view. Also some of the personal comments about players especially saying they are lazy when they clearly aren't is also unfair.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #240
Deleted member 5849 said:
Funny, because he's never happier than when he's torturing people by pulling their teeth out without anaesthetic, can't stop laughing away
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Enjoys entertaining his team mates after training pulling wings off flies.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #241
Jamesimus said:
So what you're saying is, he needs to smile more?
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I’m saying he looks a right miserable sod.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #242
CCFC54321 said:
I’m saying he looks a right miserable sod.
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Should hear what he says about you after his sixth pint. It's beyond c**t.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #243
Deleted member 5849 said:
Should hear what he says about you after his sixth pint. It's beyond c**t.
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Bless him.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #244
Starring @shmmeee as Patrick Bateman: CCFC Psycho.
 

itsabuzzard

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  • Jan 30, 2023
  • #245
Calista said:
I
Jamie and I
Kasey
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Group hug.

Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk
 
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