It's all a blame game. (1 Viewer)

robbiethemole · Oct 19, 2014

is the loan window still open, cos if Nouble, Johnson and any others are so injury prone for such long periods, surely we need to draft in replacements and maybe dump them asap.

before the flak hits,I know it's not popular to have a go at Reda but fuck me he's missed more than he's played, we don't have time to wait and see if he will get back before Christmas, same for Frank let him go and use his wages to sign a striker we can call ours.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Oct 19, 2014

Godiva said:
What exactly are we blaming who?

The club has installed a 'blueprint' for the type of football we play and that strategy has been installed in all teams at the club.
It does take time to recruit the right players for the right positions, and it takes time for the players to adapt and get confident in their positions.
This strategy change is something I have called for a long time, so obviously I am very pleased and I accept it takes time before we will see the benefits.

The club now gives the academy players a lot of game time. Not just as substitutes at the odd cup game, but as regular team players. This is something many, many posters on here has advocated for as long as I remember reading on this forum.
It does take time for very young players to adjust to the fact they are being judged every game on par with more senior players. Remember Ben Turner? The first two seasons he was really getting some abuse from the 'loyal faithful fans'. (Oh, that includes me as I believed he was slow and clumsy and cost us many points). But when he left ...!

We have been hit by a few injuries and especially Reda's suspension and injury combined with Frank Nouble's injury is hurting us.
The injuries have forced SP to shuffle a bit from game to game the last month. That means he is not fielding the same (mostly) team week in week out like in the beginning of the season. That doesn't help either.

If we should actually blame somebody, then let's blame ourselves for not being patient and expecting miracles in spite of what I mentioned above.

I don't think expecting us to beat teams like Crewe away or Crawley at home is expecting miracles tbh

SkyBlueSid · Oct 19, 2014

robbiethemole said:
is the loan window still open, cos if Nouble, Johnson and any others are so injury prone for such long periods, surely we need to draft in replacements and maybe dump them asap.

before the flak hits,I know it's not popular to have a go at Reda but fuck me he's missed more than he's played, we don't have time to wait and see if he will get back before Christmas, same for Frank let him go and use his wages to sign a striker we can call ours.

Johnson missed more than he played over the last 2 seasons at Sheffield Wednesday. He is a decent player when fit, although his temperament has come into question. But it seems that some players go through their careers picking up injuries every season and recovering from them very slowly. City should know, we have bought enough of them over the years to fill a series of Casualty.

I'm sure someone here suggested weeks ago that Johnson was likely to be out long term. With his track record it isn't much of a surprise, I suppose.

ccfcway · Oct 19, 2014

ccfcdale said:
What we do need to remember is we had a complete overhaul in the summer so the squad is gelling together still.

how is Southamptons "gelling" getting on ?, surely they have a lot harder task, competiting in the premier league after losing most of their best players ?

ccfcway · Oct 19, 2014

Ian1779 said:
We need to take a step back for a few seconds. Pressley is trying to completely revamp the club from top to bottom - everything about the culture, mentality about us for the last 25 years has been negative and apathetic.

nothing says "negative and apathetic" more than 1 point from 6 games

Otis · Oct 19, 2014

ccfcway said:
how is Southamptons "gelling" getting on ?, surely they have a lot harder task, competiting in the premier league after losing most of heir best players ?

You also have to ask, how is the midfield going to gel with the ball winning midfielder we don't even have in our squad?

A team can gel, but it can only gel if you have the right players and then those players gel given time. A team that is missing some of the players it needs to work, is never going to gel because those very players it needs are missing.

We lack physicality. Unless all our squad is going to bulk up like crazy for the rest of the season and in training someone teaches players to tackle who can't tackle, then we are going to struggle big time.

shy_tall_knight · Oct 19, 2014

Team from 12 months ago v Wolves

Murphy, Adams, Webster, J Clarke, Willis (Phillips 82), Thomas, Baker (c), Moussa (Manset 79), Fleck, L Clarke, Wilson

Of the 13 that played only 6 still at the club, constant change defeats any ethos / improvements in playing style that SP might be trying to introduce.

Otis · Oct 19, 2014

shy_tall_knight said:
Team from 12 months ago v Wolves

Murphy, Adams, Webster, J Clarke, Willis (Phillips 82), Thomas, Baker (c), Moussa (Manset 79), Fleck, L Clarke, Wilson

Of the 13 that played only 6 still at the club, constant change defeats any ethos / improvements in playing style that SP might be trying to introduce.

Looking at that team, we clearly had a good keeper, a very fast goalscoring striker and also a very physical presence up front.

wingy · Oct 19, 2014

Otis said:
You also have to ask, how is the midfield going to gel with the ball winning midfielder we don't even have in our squad?

A team can gel, but it can only gel if you have the right players and then those players gel given time. A team that is missing some of the players it needs to work, is never going to gel because those very players it needs are missing.

We lack physicality. Unless all our squad is going to bulk up like crazy for the rest of the season and in training someone teaches players to tackle who can't tackle, then we are going to struggle big time.

Maybe we could go for a Conversion ,get one of those hard Egg chasers to change code.

I hear there will be a surfeit of them around here In a couple of months .

on a serious note ,I wonder If there are any examples out there ?

RoboCCFC90 · Oct 19, 2014

Well from what I have seen the list of blame for our current form must lay on:

- The players
- Steven Pressley
- Sisu
- The tea lady
- Ray Ranson
- Nostradamus
- God

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ccfcway · Oct 19, 2014

shy_tall_knight said:
Team from 12 months ago v Wolves

Murphy, Adams, Webster, J Clarke, Willis (Phillips 82), Thomas, Baker (c), Moussa (Manset 79), Fleck, L Clarke, Wilson

Of the 13 that played only 6 still at the club, constant change defeats any ethos / improvements in playing style that SP might be trying to introduce.

every single one of those starting players who have left would have improved our current side.

dongonzalos · Oct 19, 2014

ccfcway said:
every single one of those starting players who have left would have improved our current side.

That's very hard to argue with

Otis · Oct 19, 2014

RoboCCFC90 said:
Well from what I have seen the list of blame for our current form must lay on:

- The players
- Steven Pressley
- Sisu
- The tea lady
- Ray Ranson
- Nostradamus
- God
- Conor Thomas

oscillatewildly · Oct 21, 2014

RoboCCFC90 said:
Well from what I have seen the list of blame for our current form must lay on:

- The players
- Steven Pressley
- Sisu
- The tea lady
- Ray Ranson
- Nostradamus
- God
You leaf the tea lady out of this mess.

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Gazolba · Oct 21, 2014

Ian1779 said:
Pressley is trying to completely revamp the club from top to bottom

Well he is partially succeeding because we were fairly close to the top and now we are heading toward the bottom.

Sick Boy · Oct 21, 2014

dongonzalos said:
Most of those managers have come out afterwards and put the blame squarely at the doors of the owners

Apart from Robins.

Evo1883 · Oct 21, 2014

Everybody involved at the club is to blame , that includes steven pressley , the man simply has to take some blame for recent shambles

ccfcway · Oct 21, 2014

dongonzalos said:
That's very hard to argue with

i'm sure Grendal will give it a go

Nick · Oct 21, 2014

Sick Boy said:
Apart from Robins.

Ah he didn't know what he was talking about so ignore that

Otis · Oct 21, 2014

Nick said:
Ah he didn't know what he was talking about so ignore that

I thought he talked a lot of sense, post game at least.

Didn't always agree with his comments after a game, but more often than not I did and if we weren't good enough he would say so.

A number of times now when we have been awful Pressley has come out and said we played well.

Astute · Oct 21, 2014

Otis said:
I thought he talked a lot of sense, post game at least.

Didn't always agree with his comments after a game, but more often than not I did and if we weren't good enough he would say so.

A number of times now when we have been awful Pressley has come out and said we played well.

That's what low expectations does for you.

dongonzalos · Oct 21, 2014

Sick Boy said:
Apart from Robins.

Yep that's why I said most.
To be fair robins got full backing then shafted the owners.
Was shown up for the average manager he is at Huddersfield though.
Inherited a decent squad added a couple if his own decent signings

Nick · Oct 21, 2014

Did Thorn slate the owners after going off into his own successful management career?

dongonzalos · Oct 21, 2014

Nick said:
Did Thorn slate the owners after going off into his own successful management career?

Thorn was given a chance at another club it didn't work out.
Which said to me he couldn't cut it.
The farce at this club during his time meant it was IMO very hard to judge him.

Just like Robins looked like the messiah but showed at another club that may not be the case

Nick · Oct 21, 2014

Did he come out and slate the owners when he left?

dongonzalos · Oct 21, 2014

Nick said:
Did he come out and slate the owners when he left?

Not sure what point your trying to make but if its that AT did not blame the owners.
He actually had the balls to do it when he was still here.
Which I think may have contributed to his sacking after 3 draws

Grendel · Oct 21, 2014

dongonzalos said:
Not sure what point your trying to make but if its that AT did not blame the owners.
He actually had the balls to do it when he was still here.
Which I think may have contributed to his sacking after 3 draws

He blamed all his woes at Kidderminster on their owners as well.

Nick · Oct 21, 2014

dongonzalos said:
Not sure what point your trying to make but if its that AT did not blame the owners.
He actually had the balls to do it when he was still here.
Which I think may have contributed to his sacking after 3 draws

The point I am getting at is asking what was said, to remind us.

Grendel · Oct 21, 2014

Nick said:
The point I am getting at is asking what was said, to remind us.

He said nothing that I can recall.

AndreasB · Oct 21, 2014

Thorn is more culpable for the situation we are in than SISU or any previous or post manager. His pisspoor selection, tactics and man management got us relegated when we had a squad and league position that should have easily stayed up.

Nick · Oct 21, 2014

AndreasB said:
Thorn is more culpable for the situation we are in than SISU or any previous or post manager. His pisspoor selection, tactics and man management got us relegated when we had a squad and league position that should have easily stayed up.

I wouldn't go as far as that about SISU and other managers but he did have a hand in relegation but then again Fergie couldn't have kept us up that season.

Otis · Oct 21, 2014

Nick said:
I wouldn't go as far as that about SISU and other managers but he did have a hand in relegation but then again Fergie couldn't have kept us up that season.

Lol. I love that quote.

Nick · Oct 21, 2014

Otis said:
Lol. I love that quote.

It never gets old. Even so, I bet West Ham are still gutted they don't have Thorn.

Evo1883 · Oct 21, 2014

AndreasB said:
Thorn is more culpable for the situation we are in than SISU or any previous or post manager. His pisspoor selection, tactics and man management got us relegated when we had a squad and league position that should have easily stayed up.

Is this a serious post , i disliked thorn massively as a manager , but he actually did have a very inexperienced squad , we were favourites from pre season to be relegated

AndreasB · Oct 21, 2014

CraigSBA said:
Is this a serious post , i disliked thorn massively as a manager , but he actually did have a very inexperienced squad , we were favourites from pre season to be relegated

....which he strengthened considerably and still failed.

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