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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #71
shepardo01 said:
The staff will be fully aware of what is out there in terms of loans and will be weighing up any possible option.
Loans still incur cost. Often there is a loan fee and a percentage of wages to cover.
We tried to get Morgan Gibbs White - but could not compete with what others (Inc Sheff Utd) could offer.
We have a playing budget. That is known at the start of a season.
We do have a "full squad" - full because the budget has dictated so.

Where do we expect the "extra money" to come from??
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Agree the loans still cost but only likely to be wages between now and the end of the season so a one off gamble. If we get promoted it’s 100m and SISU are sorted. SISU would have to fund the cost obviously but as I said it’s worth a punt for them as much as the club

I still think we might get at least one in but maybe I’m just an optimist
 

shepardo01

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #72
CCFCSteve said:
Agree the loans still cost but only likely to be wages between now and the end of the season so a one off gamble. If we get promoted it’s 100m and SISU are sorted. SISU would have to fund the cost obviously but as I said it’s worth a punt for them as much as the club

I still think we might get at least one in but maybe I’m just an optimist
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"Derby"
"Reading"
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #73
shepardo01 said:
"Derby"
"Reading"
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Theres a middle ground between not taking money out of the club and spending £100m you don't have and it's childish to not acknowledge it.
 
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shepardo01

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #74
Liquid Gold said:
Theres a middle ground between not taking money out of the club and spending £100m you don't have and it's childish to not acknowledge it.
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Yes Reading - less points deducted than Derby.
Rumour has it there may be a few more clubs facing deductions too.
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #75
shepardo01 said:
Yes Reading - less points deducted than Derby.
Rumour has it there may be a few more clubs facing deductions too.
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That's not the middle ground.
 
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no_loyalty

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #76
1ccfc said:
Unfortunately, I don't think they are going to spend big. It's easy to say they need to go, and the majority of fans have thought this for a while. Who is going to buy us though?
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Mike Ashley is looking to buy another club, would snap your hand off over Sisu any day.
 
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shepardo01

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #77
Liquid Gold said:
That's not the middle ground.
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Do we have money to spend?
Who would invest money on playing side?
(Genuine question to succeed that - is any investment that goes straight into playing budget allowed under any FFP regulations??)
 

Londonccfcfan

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #78
Ccfcisparks said:
SISU

You’ve taken us as far as you can on a few pennies. Even Robins who’s a miracle worker won’t take you any further unless you invest.

Either time to stump up a few more quid or get out.
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Hahaha god your fucking thick. How was today SISUS fault?

Would you have said that if we battered them. Today was unfortunate.
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #79
shepardo01 said:
Do we have money to spend?
Who would invest money on playing side?
(Genuine question to succeed that - is any investment that goes straight into playing budget allowed under any FFP regulations??)
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we have a top 10 crowd and a bottom 10 budget, we've had to weaken one position to strengthen another.

An owner can put a reasonable bit of cash in to improve the squad each year without going mad and without breaking ffp

Ours are now just taking money out instead.
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #80
Liquid Gold said:
we have a top 10 crowd and a bottom 10 budget, we've had to weaken one position to strengthen another.

An owner can put a reasonable bit of cash in to improve the squad each year without going mad and without breaking ffp

Ours are now just taking money out instead.
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What a stupid argument.

If posh, blackpool or hull stay up this year. And by some miracle get a top 10 average crowd. They will still be bottom 6 budget...lol next year.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #81
Londonccfcfan said:
What a stupid argument.

If posh, blackpool or hull stay up this year. And by some miracle get a top 10 average crowd. They will still be bottom 6 budget...lol next year.
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How is it stupid?
 

shepardo01

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #82
Liquid Gold said:
we have a top 10 crowd and a bottom 10 budget, we've had to weaken one position to strengthen another.

An owner can put a reasonable bit of cash in to improve the squad each year without going mad and without breaking ffp

Ours are now just taking money out instead.
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1 - crowd is income - top 10 yes... CBS rent must be factored in here....
2- Can they? (Honestly don't know answer)
3- Do they need to do that to help satisfy people involved that ultimately help/have helped keep us afloat over the years?? (Genuine question)
If they stopped, could someone mentioned above look to pull the plug??

I can understand people wanting a "bit more money" but I'd rather have CCFC in the long term performing at a decent level, than taking gambles.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #83
Londonccfcfan said:
What a stupid argument.

If posh, blackpool or hull stay up this year. And by some miracle get a top 10 average crowd. They will still be bottom 6 budget...lol next year.
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Fucking hell!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #84
shepardo01 said:
1 - crowd is income - top 10 yes... CBS rent must be factored in here....
2- Can they? (Honestly don't know answer)
3- Do they need to do that to help satisfy people involved that ultimately help/have helped keep us afloat over the years?? (Genuine question)
If they stopped, could someone mentioned above look to pull the plug??

I can understand people wanting a "bit more money" but I'd rather have CCFC in the long term performing at a decent level, than taking gambles.
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Well we’ve raked in a fair bit extra in televised games and ticket sales but find ourselves sending first team strikers out on loan to afford a left back
 

shepardo01

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #85
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well we’ve raked in a fair bit extra in televised games and ticket sales but find ourselves sending first team strikers out on loan to afford a left back
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The club will roughly know how many televised games they will feature in. Thus budgeted for.
The club have already admitted "unforseen costs" in relation to CBS matchdays.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #86
shepardo01 said:
The club will roughly know how many televised games they will feature in. Thus budgeted for.
The club have already admitted "unforseen costs" in relation to CBS matchdays.
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I call bollocks on that sorry
 

shepardo01

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #87
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I call bollocks on that sorry
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Which bit?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #88
shepardo01 said:
1 - crowd is income - top 10 yes... CBS rent must be factored in here....
2- Can they? (Honestly don't know answer)
3- Do they need to do that to help satisfy people involved that ultimately help/have helped keep us afloat over the years?? (Genuine question)
If they stopped, could someone mentioned above look to pull the plug??

I can understand people wanting a "bit more money" but I'd rather have CCFC in the long term performing at a decent level, than taking gambles.
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It's not about spunking loads of money, it's about giving the manager the tools do the job.

Robins is operating with his hands tied behind his back. Today demonstrated that.
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #89
shepardo01 said:
Yes Reading - less points deducted than Derby.
Rumour has it there may be a few more clubs facing deductions too.
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Good, add Stoke to the list.
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #90
no_loyalty said:
Mike Ashley is looking to buy another club, would snap your hand off over Sisu any day.
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Oh no
 
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shepardo01

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #91
clint van damme said:
It's not about spunking loads of money, it's about giving the manager the tools do the job.

Robins is operating with his hands tied behind his back. Today demonstrated that.
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He has tools, but not tools that some others have - nature of the hierarchy of football clubs.
He is operating his "tools" very well, despite that they may not be at a level of other clubs - that is what today demonstrated!
"Awaits further "tools" comments or else it would not be SBT!"
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #92
shepardo01 said:
Which bit?
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'Unforeseen costs', sorry, surely these were clear when the deal was signed? Not to be having a go at you personally, but the accounts are pretty clear in our owners helping themselves in a way pretty atypical to most others
 

shepardo01

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #93
Brighton Sky Blue said:
'Unforeseen costs', sorry, surely these were clear when the deal was signed? Not to be having a go at you personally, but the accounts are pretty clear in our owners helping themselves in a way pretty atypical to most others
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I know you are not.... don't worry!
Easy to find a set of SC minutes.. I just googled after my post- eg, club shop cost double what was forecast.... example without reading much...
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #94
shepardo01 said:
I know you are not.... don't worry!
Easy to find a set of SC minutes.. I just googled after my post- eg, club shop cost double what was forecast.... example without reading much...
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We had a record season ticket sale and have been averaging a few thousand above what was forecast.
 

shepardo01

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #95
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We had a record season ticket sale and have been averaging a few thousand above what was forecast.
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Offset by at least the above example....
 

shepardo01

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #96
Plus new contracts....???
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #97
To clarify - owners can put money in to the playing budget without a FFP penalty

Before we get to that though it would be good to have owners that aren't restricting the manager by taking money out of the club.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #98
shepardo01 said:
Plus new contracts....???
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We've let the rest of the bomb squad plus Walker go to afford those and a left back. Sorry, they just are not fit for purpose in this league and we're watching the best chance at a serious challenge evaporate because the owners are more preoccupied with emulating Wonga than helping the staff
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #99
shepardo01 said:
He has tools, but not tools that some others have - nature of the hierarchy of football clubs.
He is operating his "tools" very well, despite that they may not be at a level of other clubs - that is what today demonstrated!
"Awaits further "tools" comments or else it would not be SBT!"
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Don't think he's been given a workable squad mate.
As a lot are saying, not talking about stupid spending, just 3 or 4 quality additions.

If he doesn't get them then we're mid table championship at best but we'll fuck up one year and go down
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #100
Thing is, I was never a fan of sisu obviously, but I used to defend them when we were in the lower league because the model worked at that level.

When we managed to get promoted we're at a different level and I don't think we can go any higher without a change.

If you're happy with this level for a bit and relegation when we lose our once in a lifetime manager then fine. Fair enough, it's been a dream compared to what we had before.

I want us to go as high as we can and this ownership model stands in our way.
 
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1ccfc

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #101
no_loyalty said:
Mike Ashley is looking to buy another club, would snap your hand off over Sisu any day.
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Don't think he would be interested in us. It's reported that with Derby he's looking to buy the club and then buy the stadium from Mel Morris. Unless Wasps were willing to sell the lease (if that's even possible) I can't see him wanting us. This could be a sticking point for any takeover.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #102
clint van damme said:
Don't think he's been given a workable squad mate.
As a lot are saying, not talking about stupid spending, just 3 or 4 quality additions.

If he doesn't get them then we're mid table championship at best but we'll fuck up one year and go down
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The whole thing depends on Robins working miracles on a shoestring. The aim should be for 2 Championship standard players per position. We have it now at both wing back positions and did have it up front, but really nowhere else.

Attacking midfield is screaming out for help especially but you look at the benches today and Robins has got nothing to really change a game with
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #103
1ccfc said:
Don't think he would be interested in us. It's reported that with Derby he's looking to buy the club and then buy the stadium from Mel Morris. Unless Wasps were willing to sell the lease (if that's even possible) I can't see him wanting us. This could be a sticking point for any takeover.
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Depending how much Morris wants for the stadium the price would be fairly similar overall
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #104
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The whole thing depends on Robins working miracles on a shoestring. The aim should be for 2 Championship standard players per position. We have it now at both wing back positions and did have it up front, but really nowhere else.

Attacking midfield is screaming out for help especially but you look at the benches today and Robins has got nothing to really change a game with
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Spot on that
 
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Littlewood CCFC

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 22, 2022
  • #105
clint van damme said:
Alexa - show me an example of Stockholm syndrome
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You just gotta face reality deluded if think decent investment going to come. No clubs spending after covid other than the big clubs but Robins has had the backing to build a decent team this season. Why am I arguing with these miserable overreacting saddos anyway
 
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