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Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #211
I don't support atrocities being committed from either side, but if Hamas are considered terrorists then what should we call Israel & the IDF? They've committed far more acts of terror than Hamas and we hear nothing about it..state backed terror is. the worst kind imo and is always overlooked.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #212
Tea & Busquets said:
I don't support atrocities being committed from either side, but if Hamas are considered terrorists then what should we call Israel & the IDF? They've committed far more acts of terror than Hamas and we hear nothing about it..state backed terror is. the worst kind imo and is always overlooked.
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Israel is a democratic state it’s not a rogue state - what tripe
 

Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #213
Grendel said:
Hamas are clearly a terrorist organisation funded by Iran.

Iran set a mission to wipe Israel off the map.

Im afraid when it invaded into the Israel side of the fence the response was pretty predictable
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and by that definition the IDF is a terrorist organisation funded by the US. Hamas are fighting to reclaim stolen land, while the IDF are fighting to protect land they stole. What is the obsession with labelling Arabs as terrorists and not holding Israel accountable?
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #214
Tea & Busquets said:
and by that definition the IDF is a terrorist organisation funded by the US. Hamas are fighting to reclaim stolen land, while the IDF are fighting to protect land they stole. What is the obsession with labelling Arabs as terrorists and not holding Israel accountable?
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Fuck me so I guess you would be an IRA cheerleader back in the day?
 

Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #215
Grendel said:
Israel is a democratic state it’s not a rogue state - what tripe
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What is that supposed to mean that's even more embarrassing that a so called democratic state is committing acts of terror on a daily basis.
 
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Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #216
Grendel said:
Fuck me so I guess you would be an IRA cheerleader back in the day?
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I have a clear stance on the matter and in no way am I in support of terror of any kind. I am not going to make this personal so if you don't have an actual point on the matter to address don't respond to me m8
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #217
Grendel said:
Israel is a democratic state it’s not a rogue state - what tripe
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Not sure what is democratic about its blockade of Gaza
 
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Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #218
Ok, from reading some more of the responses, I can see that Grendel is just Islamophobic, not that he has an actual stance on the matter.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #219
Tea & Busquets said:
and by that definition the IDF is a terrorist organisation funded by the US. Hamas are fighting to reclaim stolen land, while the IDF are fighting to protect land they stole. What is the obsession with labelling Arabs as terrorists and not holding Israel accountable?
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Hamas are fighting to reclaim stolen land... by beheading babies

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Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #220
TomRad85 said:
Hamas are fighting to reclaim stolen land... by beheading babies

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I'm not sure I believe the IDF when they say that...about who they're fighting against. It's important to get your information from unbiased sources, which I admit is hard nowadays so I don't blame you.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #221
Grendel said:
Israel is a democratic state
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Many Israelis would dispute that after Netanyahus changes to the supreme Court earlier in the year.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #222
It’s being reported that Hamas backers Russia has been giving American made weapons they’ve captured in Ukraine to Hamas and they may have been used during this attack on Israel.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #223
Tea & Busquets said:
I'm not sure I believe the IDF when they say that...about who they're fighting against. It's important to get your information from unbiased sources, which I admit is hard nowadays so I don't blame you.
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By parading dead women naked through the streets?

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Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #224
Fuck me I'm going to trigger many of yous when you wake up aren't i
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #225
Tea & Busquets said:
I have a clear stance on the matter and in no way am I in support of terror of any kind. I am not going to make this personal so if you don't have an actual point on the matter to address don't respond to me m8
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Ive made a point - I’ve said your rhetoric is exactly The justification that the IRA used to murder woman and children on uk territory - at least own it and I’ll address you all I like
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #226
Also being reported that Russia subcontracted its hackers to Hamas to target the Israeli government and military ahead and during the attacks.
 

Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #227
TomRad85 said:
By parading dead women naked through the streets?

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Again, I don't support terror and antagonization of that kind, but let's not pretend it isn't both sides doing these things. Before your next response, I want you to also research what the IDF does relative to what you see Hamas doing.
 
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Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #228
Grendel said:
Ive made a point - I’ve said your rhetoric is exactly The justification that the IRA used to murder woman and children on uk territory - at least own it and I’ll address you all I like
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Im leftist m8
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #229
Tea & Busquets said:
Ok, from reading some more of the responses, I can see that Grendel is just Islamophobic, not that he has an actual stance on the matter.
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No I’m clearly not - I think you’ll find every western leader will agree with everything I’ve said - find one that doesn’t
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #230
Tea & Busquets said:
Im leftist m8
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So were the IRA they are republicans
 

Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #231
Grendel said:
No I’m clearly not - I think you’ll find every western leader will agree with everything I’ve said - find one that doesn’t
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Yes, many far right western leaders might agree with some of the things you say. That is a low bar.
 
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Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #232
Grendel said:
So were the IRA they are republicans
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Don't get the obsession with me/IRA. Can we get back on topic or have you ran out of programmed responses about Hamas?
 

TomRad85

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #233
Tea & Busquets said:
Yes, many far right western leaders might agree with some of the things you say. That is a low bar.
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No its usually about this time that the leftists start spouting the same nonsense as far right lunatics like Nick Griffin. It's called antisemitism.

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Grendel

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #234
Tea & Busquets said:
Yes, many far right western leaders might agree with some of the things you say. That is a low bar.
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You do realise the only major countries that don’t view Hamas as a terror organisation are Russia and China

Which democratic countries - other than I think Norway strangely - oppose my opinion?
 
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Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #235
Grendel said:
You do realise the only major countries that don’t view Hamas as a terror organisation are Russia and China

Which democratic countries - other than I think Norway strangely - oppose my opinion?
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I’m not arguing if Hamas are terrorists or not. I’m simply saying that if they are then we should’ve been considering Israel as terrorists long before that, which you seem to have an issue with.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #236
Tea & Busquets said:
I’m not arguing if Hamas are terrorists or not. I’m simply saying that if they are then we should’ve been considering Israel as terrorists long before that, which you seem to have an issue with.
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Well no you said “far right western leaders might agree with me” - they all do including Keir Starmer as an opposition leader - excluding Norway - every EU country leader agrees with me

That’s correct isn’t it?
 

Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #237
TomRad85 said:
No its usually about this time that the leftists start spouting the same nonsense as far right lunatics like Nick Griffin. It's called antisemitism.

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Too far any direction makes for problems. Why can’t we all take a humanitarian stance on the matter without bringing down Palestinians fighting for their land? Some of the actions of Hamas are downright wrong and the media are using those to muddy the entire cause. You’re buying into Israeli propaganda.
 

Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #238
Grendel said:
Well no you said “far right western leaders might agree with me” - they all do including Keir Starmer as an opposition leader - excluding Norway - every EU country leader agrees with me

That’s correct isn’t it?
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I’m not sure of how correct that is. You’d have to speak with them personally IMO.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #239
Tea & Busquets said:
Too far any direction makes for problems. Why can’t we all take a humanitarian stance on the matter without bringing down Palestinians fighting for their land? Some of the actions of Hamas are downright wrong and the media are using those to muddy the entire cause. You’re buying into Israeli propaganda.
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I'm not buying into anything, but I know fully well that if Israel committed this atrocitiy social media would not be awash with people both sides-ing it and people wouldn't be emboldened to take to the streets with their Israeli flags, celebrating the slaughter.

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Grendel

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #240
Tea & Busquets said:
I’m not sure of how correct that is. You’d have to speak with them personally IMO.
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Er they all signed a declaration that Hamas is a terrorist organisation and the rest of the Middle East and Russia and China didn’t? What are you on about?
 

ProfessorbyGrace

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #241
I tend to steer widely away from anything ‘political’, however, the historical significance of this latest outbreak is, by all accounts, a blood feud of colossal proportions.
I was reading up on it earlier, and most of it has evaporated already.

Looks like Israel isn’t messing around though, they’re pounding the absolute crap out of Gaza. The most densely populated ‘area’ in the world, and they’re throwing their whole arsenal at it.

Have Hezbollah been drawn into it, yet?

This, when you consider the possible ramifications of other countries getting involved (which they will), could quite easily precipitate into a horrifying conflict.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #242
Grendel said:
Ive made a point - I’ve said your rhetoric is exactly The justification that the IRA used to murder woman and children on uk territory - at least own it and I’ll address you all I like
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Should the British government have carpet bombed Ulster then?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #243
Grendel said:
Well no you said “far right western leaders might agree with me” - they all do including Keir Starmer as an opposition leader - excluding Norway - every EU country leader agrees with me

That’s correct isn’t it?
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Norway isn’t an EU country.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #244
fernandopartridge said:
Should the British government have carpet bombed Ulster then?
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Just the catholic areas obviously.
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 10, 2023
  • #245
TomRad85 said:
I'm not buying into anything, but I know fully well that if Israel committed this atrocitiy social media would not be awash with people both sides-ing it and people wouldn't be emboldened to take to the streets with their Israeli flags, celebrating the slaughter.

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Israel has been committing atrocities in Palestine for decades.

Here's the body count.



And there's plenty on social media showing Israelis glorifying the death of Palestinians, its not hard to find.

Israel currently has 1 million children locked in a cage, has cut off their food and water and is shelling them, that's barbaric, (as well as illegal). What Hamas did, which was also barbaric, doesn't excuse that as far as Im concerned.

And as Ive said earlier in the thread, they also commit atrocities on the West bank, not Hamas territory and run by the PA who recognise the right of Israel to exist, yet still settlers steal their land and murder people there.
 
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