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Nick

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  • Nov 4, 2023
  • #2,311
David O'Day said:
It's his thing, everyone needs a hobby
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Funny thing is, yours is bandwagons.
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 4, 2023
  • #2,312
Nick said:
It's ok though I've stopped using McDonalds and Starbucks and I'm telling people who do that they murder kids. Solved it.
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 4, 2023
  • #2,313
Como said:
Most shootings are in the Hood, the ones that get the bigger media attention are the outliers.

Of the top 10 cities for shootings 9 are Democrat controlled and have been for a lifetime. Or more.

Homicides in Chicago: A list of every victim | Chicago Sun-Times Here is the ongoing list for Chicago.

Trump is all bluster and I assume at least one of the charges will stick. And he will be in jail before the next elections.

The last shooting, well it seems everyone and his dog knew about this guy and nobody did anything. Care in the Community. But that is a common and seemingly unresolvable issue.
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…it’s madness that they don’t just ban guns like any other modern and sane country.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 4, 2023
  • #2,314
Ian1779 said:
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There's a lot of irony in this..
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 4, 2023
  • #2,315
Reports coming out that Israel has deliberately targeted an ambulance in Gaza in an air strike.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Nov 4, 2023
  • #2,316
skybluetony176 said:
Reports coming out that Israel has deliberately targeted an ambulance in Gaza in an air strike.
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Israel have confirmed it. Early reports from Red Crescent, part if the International Red Cross, indicate they were instructed by Israel to move people from the hospital then when they did as instructed the convoy of ambulances was bombed.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 4, 2023
  • #2,317
chiefdave said:
Israel have confirmed it. Early reports from Red Crescent, part if the International Red Cross, indicate they were instructed by Israel to move people from the hospital then when they did as instructed the convoy of ambulances was bombed.
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A proper c**t move to deliberately target innocent people again. I get the bombing of air bases, weapons factories etc but just going at ambulances, schools etc. Pricks.
 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 4, 2023
  • #2,318
Nick said:
A proper c**t move to deliberately target innocent people again. I get the bombing of air bases, weapons factories etc but just going at ambulances, schools etc. Pricks.
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which is why Hamas build many of their key points/arsenals under schools & hospitals and use ambulances/school buses to transport weapons & fighters etc. Clear breach of Geneva convention. No-one obeying the "rules" in this disaster
 
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Como

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  • Nov 4, 2023
  • #2,319
This is how you take out an Ambulance.

 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 4, 2023
  • #2,320
Como said:
This is how you take out an Ambulance.

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Doesn't that just make them both as bad as each other?

Both sides are targeting innocent civilians.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 4, 2023
  • #2,321
Otis said:
Doesn't that just make them both as bad as each other?

Both sides are targeting innocent civilians.
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It's not sides though, is it? One is what the west perceive a terrorist organisation and one is a nation state with free elections. The people of Gaza ≠ Hamas.

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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 4, 2023
  • #2,322
fernandopartridge said:
It's not sides though, is it? One is what the west perceive a terrorist organisation and one is a nation state with free elections. The people of Gaza ≠ Hamas.

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Yes, I did mean Hamas. Because that is the supposed enemy isn't it. It's supposed to be Israel against Hamas.

Hamas killed innocent civilians and now Israel is doing the same

The poor Palestinian people are stuck in the middle of it and are sitting ducks.
 
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Como

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  • Nov 4, 2023
  • #2,323
fernandopartridge said:
It's not sides though, is it? One is what the west perceive a terrorist organisation and one is a nation state with free elections. The people of Gaza ≠ Hamas.

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This is why we need the UN to get involved, free the Palestinian people, arrest the terrorists.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 4, 2023
  • #2,324
Ian1779 said:
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I don't get sensitive on the internet.

Or maybe I just can't find the right bits of it.
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 5, 2023
  • #2,325
I think it’s time they called this a draw to be honest.

Nothing will ever be achieved by tit for tat killing of civilians
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 5, 2023
  • #2,326
Nick said:
Funny thing is, yours is bandwagons.
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really? says the man who jumps on any passing bandwagon? Ok numb nuts
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 6, 2023
  • #2,327
Perfectly normal from one of the coalition partners - Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’
 
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Deleted member 9744

Guest
  • Nov 6, 2023
  • #2,328
Sick Boy said:
Perfectly normal from one of the coalition partners - Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’
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Before I opened the link I assumed that was going to be Suella Bravaman.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 6, 2023
  • #2,329
Sick Boy said:
Perfectly normal from one of the coalition partners - Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’
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surely he's got to understand the issue with fallout and the closeness of Gaza to Israel and the issues that would cause?

Also have you just doxxed Como?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2023
  • #2,330
David O'Day said:
surely he's got to understand the issue with fallout and the closeness of Gaza to Israel and the issues that would cause?

Also have you just doxxed Como?
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You’ve assumed that something as basic as critical thinking is a talent that any far right politician is capable off.
 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 6, 2023
  • #2,331
Sick Boy said:
Perfectly normal from one of the coalition partners - Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’
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Said it before the extremists keeping Netanyahu in office are "controlling" this conflict and are a major reason Israel won't back off. They are those primarily behind the expansion into the West Bank.

Many are no different to the fundamentalist Muslims in that there's a belief that religious law so determine everything. Bit by bit successive Israeli govts have allowed these groups to increase their influence - not blocking the settlements, special exemptions from national laws, establishment of religious courts.
Tail wagging the dog. Seen it in certain Islamic countries where the "tail" takes over. Can argue seeing it in USA with the Republican party - bibles frequently being waved. Can certainly see it in Israel now.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 6, 2023
  • #2,332
tisza said:
Said it before the extremists keeping Netanyahu in office are "controlling" this conflict and are a major reason Israel won't back off. They are those primarily behind the expansion into the West Bank.

Many are no different to the fundamentalist Muslims in that there's a belief that religious law so determine everything. Bit by bit successive Israeli govts have allowed these groups to increase their influence - not blocking the settlements, special exemptions from national laws, establishment of religious courts.
Tail wagging the dog. Seen it in certain Islamic countries where the "tail" takes over. Can argue seeing it in USA with the Republican party - bibles frequently being waved. Can certainly see it in Israel now.
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Brexit…
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Nov 8, 2023
  • #2,333
Any reason why this motion shouldn't be supported? the way it's been reported makes it appear relatively benign, but I haven't seen the actual text.

Hall of shame: Over 500 MPs back Israel’s bombing of Gaza

Only 96 MPs in Westminster have supported a parliamentary motion calling for a ceasefire in Gaza as of 9 November.
www.declassifieduk.org
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2023
  • #2,334
Deleted member 5849 said:
Any reason why this motion shouldn't be supported? the way it's been reported makes it appear relatively benign, but I haven't seen the actual text.

Hall of shame: Over 500 MPs back Israel’s bombing of Gaza

Only 96 MPs in Westminster have supported a parliamentary motion calling for a ceasefire in Gaza as of 9 November.
www.declassifieduk.org
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It’s an EDM and completely pointless? Lots of MPs don’t sign them on principle.
 

duffer

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  • Nov 8, 2023
  • #2,335
shmmeee said:
It’s an EDM and completely pointless? Lots of MPs don’t sign them on principle.
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Or don't sign them because they have none, or don't want to step out of line.

If you're an MP, and it's a critical issue like this, then what you do or don't say, matters, imho.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2023
  • #2,336
shmmeee said:
It’s an EDM and completely pointless? Lots of MPs don’t sign them on principle.
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If it's completely pointless then why wouldn't you just sign it anyway

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shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2023
  • #2,337
duffer said:
Or don't sign them because they have none, or don't want to step out of line.

If you're an MP, and it's a critical issue like this, then what you do or don't say, matters, imho.
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No EDMs don’t matter. They’re literal virtue signalling. Seems front bench has been told not to sign it anyway from what I’m seeing.

It’s really not a critical issue for a UK political aside maybe from those actively in defence in the government. It’s a foreign policy issue that’s being pumped hard by the govt to call lefties terrorists. Honestly I think staying well out is the best idea. The fact the discourse on this in this country is about ludicrous inconsequential shite like having a march or whatever shows how it’s not a critical issue at all.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2023
  • #2,338
fernandopartridge said:
If it's completely pointless then why wouldn't you just sign it anyway

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See above. But as I say a large amount of MPs just don’t sign any as a matter of course. They are nothing but virtue signalling documents that can be used to beat you over the head later. All political drawback and no benefit.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 8, 2023
  • #2,339
shmmeee said:
No EDMs don’t matter. They’re literal virtue signalling. Seems front bench has been told not to sign it anyway from what I’m seeing.

It’s really not a critical issue for a UK political aside maybe from those actively in defence in the government. It’s a foreign policy issue that’s being pumped hard by the govt to call lefties terrorists. Honestly I think staying well out is the best idea. The fact the discourse on this in this country is about ludicrous inconsequential shite like having a march or whatever shows how it’s not a critical issue at all.
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And shouting at people eating McDonalds....
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 8, 2023
  • #2,340
Nick said:
And shouting at people eating McDonalds....
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All of its bollocka pretend outrage on all sides more about domestic and personal issues than anything to do with Palestine.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 8, 2023
  • #2,341
shmmeee said:
It’s an EDM and completely pointless? Lots of MPs don’t sign them on principle.
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One EDM is credited with being the catalyst that bought down the Callaghan administration
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2023
  • #2,342
shmmeee said:
It’s an EDM and completely pointless? Lots of MPs don’t sign them on principle.
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Lots of MP’s don’t have principles.
 
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duffer

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  • Nov 8, 2023
  • #2,343
shmmeee said:
All of its bollocka pretend outrage on all sides more about domestic and personal issues than anything to do with Palestine.
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I'm sorry, but that's simply not true. It's not pretend outrage, except to people who don't give a fuck about it.

In regard to Gaza, and what appears to be to many to be a serious war crime in progress, some on here care about it, some clearly don't. Similarly, some politicians care, some don't. One hundred children are dying every day in Gaza - in many people that's going to provoke real rather than faux outrage. Hence the protest marches.

Believing that what you think and feel is the same as what everyone else thinks and feels, is nonsensical.

This, "it doesn't matter what politicians say" line, is, I'm afraid, bollocks of the very highest order.

If it didn't matter what politicians said and did, or what they stood for or against, or ignored, then this thread would be dead as a doornail, and voting would be entirely pointless.

Maybe the latter is, in fairness, given where the current parties stand.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 8, 2023
  • #2,344
duffer said:
I'm sorry, but that's simply not true. It's not pretend outrage, except to people who don't give a fuck about it.

In regard to Gaza, and what appears to be to many to be a serious war crime in progress, some on here care about it, some clearly don't. Similarly, some politicians care, some don't. One hundred children are dying every day in Gaza - in many people that's going to provoke real rather than faux outrage. Hence the protest marches.

Believing that what you think and feel is the same as what everyone else thinks and feels, is nonsensical.

This, "it doesn't matter what politicians say" line, is, I'm afraid, bollocks of the very highest order.

If it didn't matter what politicians said and did, or what they stood for or against, or ignored, then this thread would be dead as a doornail, and voting would be entirely pointless.

Maybe the latter is, in fairness, given where the current parties stand.
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You mention Gaza an awful lot but not Israel - as for principles I’d take a look at the calibre of people who support this - some oddly have described Hamas as friends and openly backed the IRA

I don’t know where you live but I guess unless it’s in Hamas Sultanas back yard you won’t be voting labour as the other two Coventry MPs support the government
 
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Nick

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  • Nov 8, 2023
  • #2,345
duffer said:
In regard to Gaza, and what appears to be to many to be a serious war crime in progress, some on here care about it, some clearly don't. Similarly, some politicians care, some don't. One hundred children are dying every day in Gaza - in many people that's going to provoke real rather than faux outrage. Hence the protest marches.
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Savage as it sounds, is children dying due to conflict a new thing? Is it only now that it's fashionable and people can make content for their social media about it?

Are the kids in Africa not as fashionable?

I get that people care that kids are dying, just not why people are only so bothered when they get a coach laid on and some likes on social media / put a Palestine flag in their profile. Is it due to changing media where it's rammed down everybody throats as soon as they turn the TV on or open social media?
 
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