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Sick Boy

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,016
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
Stumbled across the anti Israeli government demonstation in London today. It included a wide range of young kids and old people from across UK and was somewhere between 200-250k. Colourful, noisy and a few pyros too!
Where I was stood suddenly a dozen EDL type nutcases turned up waving England flags and singing 'Engerland' in demonstrators faces trying to get a reaction whilst being filmed by their girlfriends/wives. Bit of a scuffle but great restraint shown by demonstrators and some of EDL got arrested before they dragged themselves back to Weatherspoons in Leicester Square. All EDL type twats were pissed up and in their 50s and sounded like a bedraggled mix of brummies and yorkshire numbskulls. They were clearly organised though. Embarrassing.
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Yeah but young people these days have no respect compared to the good old days.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,017
Sick Boy said:
Gazolba?
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Gazolba!
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,018
Sick Boy said:
Yeah but young people these days have no respect compared to the good old days.
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That's if you blindly believe his story , got their accents and everything
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,019
Ian1779 said:
He only backtracked because he fucked it up earlier in the week.

Supposed to be a human rights lawyer FFS….
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David Lammy was not backtracking at all and supports the movement of Gaza population and Hamas are the block to achieve it
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,020
The threshold of which personal stories are considered believable seems to have shifted wildly in this thread for some reason.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,021
Grendel said:
David Lammy was not backtracking at all and supports the movement of Gaza population and Hamas are the block to achieve it
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What a wanker.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,022
clint van damme said:
What a wanker.
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He certainly seems a very different Mr Lammy to the one who served under Mr Corbyn
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,023
Grendel said:
David Lammy was not backtracking at all and supports the movement of Gaza population and Hamas are the block to achieve it
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There are people moving and there are people being bombed whilst they move.

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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,024
fernandopartridge said:
There are people moving and there are people being bombed whilst they move.

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Im not necessarily disagreeing I’m pointing out the comments - in fact there was hardly any difference to him or Cleverly - and before some smart arse makes an interpretation of that - I mean in his content - not anything else
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,025
Grendel said:
He certainly seems a very different Mr Lammy to the one who served under Mr Corbyn
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He must have missed Keith's u turn, (and Crispin Blunts warning about inciting war crimes),let's see if he keeps up his tub thumping.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,026
Yet again SBT is shocked to hear that cabinet responsibility and party message exists.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,027
Otis said:
What a truly, scummy, disgrace of a newspaper, is the Mail (Daily or Sunday. Both as bad)

This is the headline they have gone with? Seriously?

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I agree, the pictures are sick, but the headline itself actually states TWO women amongst THOUSANDS.

And the pics are oh SO prominent aren't they, so prominent the paper has had to encircle them for us to readers to see them. How were the police supposed to spot them amongst the thousands of protesters?

You can see the angle they are going for can't you and once again, they love to stir up hatred.
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Right not to go all tinfoil hat. But who sellotapes badges to their back?
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,028
shmmeee said:
Right not to go all tinfoil hat. But who sellotapes badges to their back?
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,029
Evo1883 said:
That's if you blindly believe his story , got their accents and everything
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The oddest thing is Charles seemed to follow them and join them in Wetherspoons
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,030
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
Stumbled across the anti Israeli government demonstation in London today. It included a wide range of young kids and old people from across UK and was somewhere between 200-250k. Colourful, noisy and a few pyros too!
Where I was stood suddenly a dozen EDL type nutcases turned up waving England flags and singing 'Engerland' in demonstrators faces trying to get a reaction whilst being filmed by their girlfriends/wives. Bit of a scuffle but great restraint shown by demonstrators and some of EDL got arrested before they dragged themselves back to Weatherspoons in Leicester Square. All EDL type twats were pissed up and in their 50s and sounded like a bedraggled mix of brummies and yorkshire numbskulls. They were clearly organised though. Embarrassing.
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Sounds like a George Orwell novel Charles
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,031
shmmeee said:
Yet again SBT is shocked to hear that cabinet responsibility and party message exists.
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I think it's more about the party message itself

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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,032
fernandopartridge said:
I think it's more about the party message itself

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That’s fine. Criticise away. Just the “aha! You said this under a previous policy!!” Gotcha is tiring. Party politics exists. Get over it.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,033
I suppose at least the UN isn’t trying to understate what’s going on. They said that the 24 hour evacuation was impossible, it was. They’ve now issued a statement the says “Gaza is being pushed into the abyss”. They’re still impotent though, doesn’t help that they’re being undermined by its members governments, like ours. Meanwhile Russia is trying to push it to the front of the UN’s agenda.
 
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duffer

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,034
David O'Day said:

So will this get as many comments as a panicked reply when corner by an interviewer?

Nah
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"A panicked reply"?

That's a poor justification, if Starmer didn't know he was going to get asked about the situation he's an idiot. Is he an idiot, would you say?

I'll help you. He's not. It was obvious he'd get asked about Israel, he wasn't ambushed.

So. The reason he's moved to this position now, is that he's realised that it's acceptable from electoral perspective. That's the only calculus that matters to Starmer. Panicked reply? Nah.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,035
duffer said:
"A panicked reply"?

That's a poor justification, if Starmer didn't know he was going to get asked about the situation he's an idiot. Is he an idiot, would you say?

I'll help you. He's not. It was obvious he'd get asked about Israel, he wasn't ambushed.

So. The reason he's moved to this position now, is that he's realised that it's acceptable from electoral perspective. That's the only calculus that matters to Starmer. Panicked reply? Nah.
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The interview I heard was on 5live not the one linked here.
That was at around 7.45 in the morning and he definitely would have had time to prepare. He was very hawkish, something it seems he's now rolled back on.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,036
duffer said:
"A panicked reply"?

That's a poor justification, if Starmer didn't know he was going to get asked about the situation he's an idiot. Is he an idiot, would you say?

I'll help you. He's not. It was obvious he'd get asked about Israel, he wasn't ambushed.

So. The reason he's moved to this position now, is that he's realised that it's acceptable from electoral perspective. That's the only calculus that matters to Starmer. Panicked reply? Nah.
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I get it you're never going to give him an credit.

Not acceptable from electoral perspective? In between the statements their lead in the polling went up. People are not going to vote based on this. If you think that the Israel/Hamas conflict and peoples views on it will effect the next GE then I have some magic beans to sell you.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,037
Grendel said:
He certainly seems a very different Mr Lammy to the one who served under Mr Corbyn
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I was watching this morning and had to switch him off.
 
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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,038
David O'Day said:
I get it you're never going to give him an credit.

Not acceptable from electoral perspective? In between the statements their lead in the polling went up. People are not going to vote based on this. If you think that the Israel/Hamas conflict and peoples views on it will effect the next GE then I have some magic beans to sell you.
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Hmm I think you're underplaying that. It was one of the many sticks used to beat Corbyn with after all.

And if it had no effect, he could say what he felt like!
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,039
David O'Day said:
I get it you're never going to give him an credit.

Not acceptable from electoral perspective? In between the statements their lead in the polling went up. People are not going to vote based on this. If you think that the Israel/Hamas conflict and peoples views on it will effect the next GE then I have some magic beans to sell you.
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Many people didn't vote corbyn because they percieved him to be sympathetic with terrorist organisations
 

Ian1779

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,040
Evo1883 said:
Many people didn't vote corbyn because they percieved him to be sympathetic with terrorist organisations
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Netanyahu is a clear example of when you let a terrorist become a politician and then leader of a country.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,041
Ian1779 said:
Netanyahu is a clear example of when you let a terrorist become a politician and then leader of a country.
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When this is over, hopefully sooner rather than later, he's done.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,042
Ian1779 said:
Netanyahu is a clear example of when you let a terrorist become a politician and then leader of a country.
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Surely that's a personal opinion , Netanyahu is as much a terrorist as say George Bush or Tony Blair
 
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Ian1779

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,043
Evo1883 said:
Surely that's a personal opinion , Netanyahu is as much a terrorist as say George Bush or Tony Blair
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He’s sanctioned the indiscriminate killing of innocent people for his own agenda, surely the definition of someone who is a terrorist.
The other two probably too if you like.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,044
Ian1779 said:
He’s sanctioned the indiscriminate killing of innocent people for his own agenda, surely the definition of someone who is a terrorist.
The other two probably too if you like.
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So like I said a personal opinion , that's cleared up then
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,045
Evo1883 said:
Surely that's a personal opinion , Netanyahu is as much a terrorist as say George Bush or Tony Blair
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I'd say hes worse as at least the other two weren't attempting a genocide, though so much shit that's happened in the last 20 years is down to them.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,046
clint van damme said:
I'd say hes worse as at least the other two weren't attempting a genocide, though so much shit that's happened in the last 20 years is down to them.
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Jesus christ
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,047
Evo1883 said:
Jesus christ
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What's incorrect about my statement?
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,048
clint van damme said:
What's incorrect about my statement?
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Hamas are the terrorists clint , end of story , they are also elected by the people in gaza , they voted for terrorism

Why does this forum love a terrorist
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,049
Evo1883 said:
Hamas are the terrorists clint , end of story , they are also elected by the people in gaza , they voted for terrorism

Why does this forum love a terrorist
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Again, Hamas do not represent all of Palestine. Israel has the people of the West bank living under similar conditions to Gaza.
Over a million people in Gaza are under 15, they've never had a vote but will suffer as a consequence of what is happening.

I've condemned Hamas consistently on this thread, (and linked articles which show Netanyanhu enabled them to weaken Fatah).

What Israel are doing is genocide by its very definition.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 15, 2023
  • #1,050
clint van damme said:
Again, Hamas do not represent all of Palestine. Israel has the people of the West bank living under similar conditions to Gaza.
Over a million people in Gaza are under 15, they've never had a vote but will suffer as a consequence of what is happening.

I've condemned Hamas consistently on this thread, (and linked articles which show Netanyanhu enabled them to weaken Fatah).

What Israel are doing is genocide by its very definition.
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Hold on almost 60 % of people in gaza have a positive opinion of Hamas , when you consider so many are children then you'd say that is most adults opinion ..

The people voted in terrorists , israel are not the terrorists , some say they are , but some people also were sympathetic to the IRA cause etc ..

Never me though , they're terrorists

And Where's the help from their Arab neighbours? Nowhere

Shithouse cowards

Israel are terrosts in the same way the UK is a terrorist nation , we went and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people based on a lie along with the USA
 
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