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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #526
Evo1883 said:
You can but the problem is people are not , that's a fact already proven on this thread

And puff your chest out with such conviction when people criticise the behaviours and actions of people within the religion of Islam... grrr

Once again , Hamas are terrorists , full stop
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Agreed, they are. Still doesn’t justify what Israel has done to civilians on the other side.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #527
clint van damme said:
I actually find Twitter quite good but it's been as big a cesspit as I've seen it since the Hamas attacks.
I want to keep abrest of what's going on but some of it is such partisan propaganda it's hard to disseminate the truth.
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And even stuff that seems legit seems to get at worst disproved or at best nuance added. And everyone on every side is so partisan it’s almost impossible to find neutral sources. Every sub group of twitter I follow, even YIMBY twitter has strong opinions on it now.
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #528
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Agreed, they are. Still doesn’t justify what Israel has done to civilians on the other side.
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The ones hamas keep hiding behind ?
 
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Ian1779

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #529
Evo1883 said:
And puff your chest out with such conviction when people criticise the behaviours and actions of people within the religion of Islam... grrr

Once again , Hamas are terrorists , full stop
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I’m not even sure what point you are making here. No one has disagreed with this point about Hamas
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #530
Evo1883 said:
You can but the problem is people are not , that's a fact already proven on this thread

And puff your chest out with such conviction when people criticise the behaviours and actions of people within the religion of Islam... grrr

Once again , Hamas are terrorists , full stop
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Which posts have conflated Judaism with Israel?

I don't think even Tea and Busquets has done that in his rants though I wouldn't go out on a limb on that.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #531
Ian1779 said:
I’m not even sure what point you are making here. No one has disagreed with this point about Hamas
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Yea but


The thread in a nutshell

Hamas are terrorists..but
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #532
Evo1883 said:
A few remarks very close to the bone , which several posters have alluded to , not far back
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I don’t agree with using Zionist personally but I don’t think it’s cut and dry. As long as it’s not creeping towards protocols of Zion stuff I don’t think it’s worth getting too upset about in this context.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #533
shmmeee said:
And even stuff that seems legit seems to get at worst disproved or at best nuance added. And everyone on every side is so partisan it’s almost impossible to find neutral sources. Every sub group of twitter I follow, even YIMBY twitter has strong opinions on it now.
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There's a joint venture between Palestinian and Israeli journalists which is pretty good.

Can't remember the name.
 
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napolimp

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #534
Thank fuck we have the General Chat sub, for a bit of light hearted agreement.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #535
Evo1883 said:
Yea but


The thread in a nutshell

Hamas are terrorists..but
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Israel are killing kids…but. It’s the same on both sides mate. Overly touchy about anything close to prejudice, assuming the worst, answering every concern with a what about. Absolutely convinced of your righteousness.

How do you not see it’s a microcosm of the whole thing? No one willing to just take a breath and start from now.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #536
Evo1883 said:
Yea but


The thread in a nutshell

Hamas are terrorists..but
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If the word 'but' is the problem, how about Hamas are terrorists and Israel have committed atrocities against civilians.

Is that better?
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #537
shmmeee said:
Israel are killing kids…but. It’s the same on both sides mate. Overly touchy about anything close to prejudice, assuming the worst, answering every concern with a what about. Absolutely convinced of your righteousness.

How do you not see it’s a microcosm of the whole thing? No one willing to just take a breath and start from now.
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OK il put another thing over to you


Let's say tomorrow Israel agrees to split Jerusalem and give Palestine some land back etc etc ..do you think terror attacks against Israel will stop ?

We both know the answer is no and only a full destruction of the state will be enough for the Arab nations in the middle east
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #538
Evo1883 said:
The ones hamas keep hiding behind ?
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It’s kind of impossible not to when confined to such a small piece of territory, however let’s suppose they had a choice and did it anyway. Why then would the IDF shell boys playing football on the beach? Why bomb hospitals and mosques? These are crimes, plain and simple. As by the way is the occupation of the West Bank.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #539
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’s kind of impossible not to when confined to such a small piece of territory, however let’s suppose they had a choice and did it anyway. Why then would the IDF shell boys playing football on the beach? Why bomb hospitals and mosques? These are crimes, plain and simple. As by the way is the occupation of the West Bank.
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They would still hide behind the innocent civilians because they're cowardly bastards like every Islamic terrorist before them, they'd pull a child infront of them in an open field if they could
 

Otis

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #540
Evo1883 said:
Yea but


The thread in a nutshell

Hamas are terrorists..but
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Hasn't it been "Hamas are terrorists but Israel shouldn't be bombing innocent children?" What's wrong with that? Shouldn't that be what we would all want to see?

That's the only but I believe.

There have been some atrocities carried out by Russian soldiers on Ukrainians. It is just as bad though when the shoe is on the other foot. We should condemn the lot

Indiscriminate killing is indiscriminate killing .
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #541
Evo1883 said:
OK il put another thing over to you


Let's say tomorrow Israel agrees to split Jerusalem and give Palestine some land back etc etc ..do you think terror attacks against Israel will stop ?

We both know the answer is no and only a full destruction of the state will be enough for the Arab nations in the middle east
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It was assumed that Northern Ireland would never see peace and that Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley would never talk, never mind jointly govern. If the IRA could be convinced to lay down arms, so can Hamas.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #542
Evo1883 said:
They would still hide behind the innocent civilians because they're cowardly bastards like every Islamic terrorist before them, they'd pull a child infront of them in an open field if they could
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Nobody was hiding behind the children shelled at from the sea.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #543
Evo1883 said:
OK il put another thing over to you


Let's say tomorrow Israel agrees to split Jerusalem and give Palestine some land back etc etc ..do you think terror attacks against Israel will stop ?

We both know the answer is no and only a full destruction of the state will be enough for the Arab nations in the middle east
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They've got good relations with several Arab countries, especially some of the the Gulf states.

Iran is a different story....
 
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Fysnkysc

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #544
shmmeee said:
I don’t think they will. And hasn’t Israel said they’ll bomb anything that comes across the border? (Genuine question it’s so hard to know what’s confirmed right noe
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The USA Israel and Egypt are already discussing green corridors.

As for the bombing I believe it was said yes
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #545
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It was assumed that Northern Ireland would never see peace and that Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley would never talk, never mind jointly govern. If the IRA could be convinced to lay down arms, so can Hamas.
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You do realise there will be a new Hamas as there is now a very active new IRA
 
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Fysnkysc

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #546
Grendel said:
You do realise there will be a new Hamas as there is now a very active new IRA
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New active ira , yea mate wheres the bombings and shootings?
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #547
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It was assumed that Northern Ireland would never see peace and that Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley would never talk, never mind jointly govern. If the IRA could be convinced to lay down arms, so can Hamas.
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Don't hink Islamic extremists are anywhere near as easy to negotiate with on the grand scale
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #548
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It was assumed that Northern Ireland would never see peace and that Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley would never talk, never mind jointly govern. If the IRA could be convinced to lay down arms, so can Hamas.
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I honestly believe in this instance Hamas needs to be gone, as does Netanyahu.
A more .moderate Israeli leader and Fatah might have a chance, a slim one,but a chance.

My opinion is it's too late though
 
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napolimp

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #549
Grendel said:
You do realise there will be a new Hamas as there is now a very active new IRA
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What's up with your obsession with the IRA? I'm half Irish, and both my wife's parents are Irish, and I've never come across anyone who talks about the IRA so much.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #550
clint van damme said:
They've got good relations with several Arab countries, especially some of the the Gulf states.

Iran is a different story....
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They're friends with countries that have an equal hatred of Iran aren't they
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #551
Grendel said:
You do realise there will be a new Hamas as there is now a very active new IRA
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The new IRA is a tiny fraction of what it used to be and is largely unwelcome in the nationalist community from what I see. In the event we had a Palestinian peace process, Hamas jeapordising it would be equally unwelcome.

Blockades, murders of civilians and shelling the Gaza Strip is not going to change anything.
 
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Otis

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #552
Evo1883 said:
Don't hink Islamic extremists are anywhere near as easy to negotiate with on the grand scale
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I don't know. It went very well in Afghanistan
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #553
Evo1883 said:
Don't hink Islamic extremists are anywhere near as easy to negotiate with on the grand scale
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Nobody thought you could negotiate with the IRA either.
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #554
Evo1883 said:
They're friends with countries that have an equal hatred of Iran aren't they
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Yeah, along with a couple of others, not sure it's as bad as you're making out, though in that region things change with the flick of a switch.
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #555
Kizz said:
New active ira , yea mate wheres the bombings and shootings?
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In Northern Ireland?
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #556
Otis said:
I don't know. It went very well in Afghanistan
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Not sure it did , we certainly didn't get what we wanted , Islamic extremists run the country
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #557
clint van damme said:
I honestly believe in this instance Hamas needs to be gone, as does Netanyahu.
A more .moderate Israeli leader and Fatah might have a chance, a slim one,but a chance.

My opinion is it's too late though
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What’s clear is they aren’t going to solve it themselves.
 

Otis

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #558
Evo1883 said:
Not sure it did , we certainly didn't get what we wanted , Islamic extremists run the country
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Was being sarcastic
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #559
Right I'm muting the thread
. Goodnight gents
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #560
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It was assumed that Northern Ireland would never see peace and that Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley would never talk, never mind jointly govern. If the IRA could be convinced to lay down arms, so can Hamas.
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It was the PLO played the Hamas role back in the day.

Then they became the statesmen
 
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