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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #4,516
Sick Boy said:
It'll have to next to no impact whatsoever with the coalition. Netanyahu will also look to prolong it as long as possible to keep himself out of legal trouble. They really should all be up in court for war crimes and Israel a pariah state.
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Let’s be serious Israel won’t be a pariah state anytime soon, the main focus is wiping hamas off the face of the earth. Netanyahu is a coward though and has gone about things the wrong way, needs to get all the hostages returned and should only be targeting areas hamas and no civilians are at
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • May 20, 2025
  • #4,517
If only he hadn't left that gate open,complicit, probably with some hamas leadership assistance or infiltration.
 
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Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #4,518
Sick Boy said:
It'll have to next to no impact whatsoever with the coalition. Netanyahu will also look to prolong it as long as possible to keep himself out of legal trouble. They really should all be up in court for war crimes and Israel a pariah state.
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I suspect you are correct, maybe that's a path we are starting to head down but i have my doubts. US support is the key, so long as that remains in place netanyahu and his ultra right wing mates will continue laregly as they have been
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 20, 2025
  • #4,519
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Let’s be serious Israel won’t be a pariah state anytime soon, the main focus is wiping hamas off the face of the earth. Netanyahu is a coward though and has gone about things the wrong way, needs to get all the hostages returned and should only be targeting areas hamas and no civilians are at
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The main focus isn't wiping out Hamas. It's about getting as much land as possible and keeping Netanyahu out of legal issues.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #4,520
Sick Boy said:
The main focus isn't wiping out Hamas. It's about getting as much land as possible and keeping Netanyahu out of legal issues.
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I highly doubt that, this all kicked off when hamas decided to slaughter hundreds of innocent Israelis at a music event
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #4,521
Hardly a laughing matter is it reacting with a laughing emoji? @Sick Boy
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 20, 2025
  • #4,522
SkyBlueDom26 said:
I highly doubt that, this all kicked off when hamas decided to slaughter hundreds of innocent Israelis at a music event
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It's been going on a bit longer than that.
Israel's actions at this point amount of genocide and ethnic cleansing. At this point, it's pretty much undeniable.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 20, 2025
  • #4,523
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Hardly a laughing matter is it reacting with a laughing emoji? @Sick Boy
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It was in response to the idea that it only kicked off then.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #4,524
Sick Boy said:
It was in response to the idea that it only kicked off then.
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Well it has escalated badly since that?
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #4,525
Sick Boy said:
It's been going on a bit longer than that.
Israel's actions at this point amount of genocide and ethnic cleansing. At this point, it's pretty much undeniable.
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Yeah and nobody is saying what there doing isn’t wrong, but to just base it on getting as much land as possible just isn’t true
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 20, 2025
  • #4,526
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Yeah and nobody is saying what there doing isn’t wrong, but to just base it on getting as much land as possible just isn’t true
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The Government Declares 12,000 Dunams in the Jordan Valley as State Lands - Peace Now

On June 25, 2024, the Custodian of the State’s Property in the Civil Administration declared 12,700 dunams at the Jordan Valley state lands. This declaration supplements the declaration of 2,640 dunams on 29/2/24 between the settlements of Ma’ale Adumim and Keidar, the declaration of 8,000...
peacenow.org.il
 
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Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • May 20, 2025
  • #4,527
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Yeah and nobody is saying what there doing isn’t wrong, but to just base it on getting as much land as possible just isn’t true
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There's a long trend of Israel gradually expanding the area under its control, it goes back decades. Whilst true there are events and actions that can be described as provocations that is also true the other way. Some of statements from people in the Israeli administration make it clear that they aim to ethically cleanse at least a portion of the Gaza Strip, the international community really needs to decide if they are ok with that (and if not wtf they intend to do about it).
 
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Captain Dart

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  • May 21, 2025
  • #4,528
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Let’s be serious Israel won’t be a pariah state anytime soon, the main focus is wiping hamas off the face of the earth. Netanyahu is a coward though and has gone about things the wrong way, needs to get all the hostages returned and should only be targeting areas hamas and no civilians are at
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Do you actually believe their objective is not to annex Gaza and expell or restrict most Palestinians just like they annexed the Golan heights in 1967 and have restricted the rights of Syrians living there, the propaganda was thorough then and it remains so.

That is what all evidence points to and is what I believe.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 21, 2025
  • #4,529
Captain Dart said:
Do you actually believe their objective is not to annex Gaza and expell or restrict most Palestinians just like they annexed the Golan heights in 1967 and have restricted the rights of Syrians living there, the propaganda was thorough then and it remains so.

That is what all evidence points to and is what I believe.
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Load of bollocks Captain fart, you keep believing that
 
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chiefdave

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  • May 21, 2025
  • #4,530
duffer said:
Q: Could it be that the public vote for Israel in the Eurovision was influenced somehow?

A: Of course it bloody was. Easy to do given how the voting works.
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Israel's success in the public vote at last weekend's Eurovision Song Contest has prompted calls from a string of countries to examine the results and voting system.

Broadcasters in Ireland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Iceland and Finland have since raised concerns or questions about the public vote, with some requesting an audit.
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chiefdave

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  • May 21, 2025
  • #4,531
A number of countries have condemned the Israeli military's actions after troops fired warning shots in the vicinity of a diplomatic delegation visiting the occupied West Bank.

The Israeli military accused them of leaving an approved route and said shots were fired into the air "to distance them". It said it "regrets the inconvenience caused".
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duffer

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  • May 21, 2025
  • #4,532
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Load of bollocks Captain fart, you keep believing that
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It is literally what the far right coalition that runs the Israeli government is saying. Reduce Gaza to rubble and expel those who are living there. Try reading the actual news.

Where the fuck are you getting your facts from mate?

Gaza will be entirely destroyed, Israeli minister says

Bezalel Smotrich says Palestinians will ‘leave in great numbers to third countries’, raising fears of ethnic cleansing
www.theguardian.com
 
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wingy

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  • May 22, 2025
  • #4,533
And so it starts, two murdered in Washington, embassy workers who seem to have been attending something in a museum.
Inevitable really I think.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 23, 2025
  • #4,534

Israel-Gaza war: Netanyahu accuses Starmer of siding with Hamas

The UK, France and Canada condemned the expanded Israeli military operation in Gaza this week.
www.bbc.com

It’s a bit rich coming from someone overseeing genocide.
 
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mmttww

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  • May 24, 2025
  • #4,535
robinsforever said:
I stand with Israel. Bloke who killed those two lovely people is a terrorist and should be executed..
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Yeah, that'll do the trick. Nothing from history says "here's how to de-escalate something" like creating martyrs.
 
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Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
  • May 24, 2025
  • #4,536
robinsforever said:
I stand with Israel. Bloke who killed those two lovely people is a terrorist and should be executed..
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And Israel is innocent??
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 25, 2025
  • #4,537
robinsforever said:
What has what Israel does or doesn't do got to do with some terrorist killing two innocent people in another land? That's like excusing an Indian for killing one of your family because of the black hole of calcutta!
Israel is seeing to wipe out Hamas who use innocent people as human shields. I applaud the intent of Israel. The execution is all wrong and has taken too long. Defeating terrorists is best done by blocking their supply of weapons. But that's all irrelevant to the point I was commenting on which is two lovely innocent people murdered for no reason.
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Thousands of “lovely innocent people”have been murdered by Israel for no reason…yet you “applaud the intent of Israel.”
 
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duffer

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  • May 25, 2025
  • #4,538
robinsforever said:
Not sure posting a link to the Guardian constitutes a news source tbh
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No mate, it's an actual genuine news source that you can generally trust because it's not owned by billionaires with their own agenda.

Personally I think it's much better than getting your news off Facebook, or your opinions from a fat bloke down the pub.

In the meantime, assuming you've bothered to read the article quoted, is there anything in there you'd say is factually incorrect?
 
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duffer

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  • May 25, 2025
  • #4,539
robinsforever said:
What has what Israel does or doesn't do got to do with some terrorist killing two innocent people in another land? That's like excusing an Indian for killing one of your family because of the black hole of calcutta!
Israel is seeing to wipe out Hamas who use innocent people as human shields. I applaud the intent of Israel. The execution is all wrong and has taken too long. Defeating terrorists is best done by blocking their supply of weapons. But that's all irrelevant to the point I was commenting on which is two lovely innocent people murdered for no reason.
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No one here is supporting the bloke that I'm aware.

So, what's your opinion then of the bombing, and now starvation, of tens of thousands of innocent people (including women and children) in Gaza?

I ask because you don't half look like an awful fucking hypocrite if you decry the killing of two people and ignore the killing of tens of thousands. I'd hate to think of you being judged that way unfairly.
 

mmttww

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  • May 25, 2025
  • #4,540
robinsforever said:
Martyr? He killed two innocent people!!!
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People that commit political or religious violence will refer to themselves as martyrs or be seen in that way by others. I'm saying it can counter productive to do what you're suggesting.
 

mmttww

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  • May 25, 2025
  • #4,541
and if you 'applaud' the slaughter of civilians, ethnic cleansing and a land grab achieved by starving thousands of children, I'm sad you support my football club. If you can't see that the 'it's about Hamas' thing is total b*ll*cks then that's on you.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 25, 2025
  • #4,542
robinsforever said:
Israel has a right to defend itself. I also question the accuracy of the news reports we see which looks like propaganda. In war news reporting is rarely if ever accurate
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Like the reporting that Israel are only going after legitimate Hamas installations and not bombing civilians and hospitals to clear the area for them to create more illegal settlements...
 
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wingy

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  • May 25, 2025
  • #4,543
It's just pre - emptive ennit, take em out early!
 

mmttww

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  • May 25, 2025
  • #4,544
robinsforever said:
So the IRA were martyrs were they?
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to the people that supported the IRA or their aims, Yeah. People like Sands were definitely viewed in that way. If your aim is to have both sides de-escalate things, I'm saying that executing someone like the bloke who murdered that couple is unlikely to help.
 

mmttww

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  • May 25, 2025
  • #4,545
robinsforever said:
Israel has a right to defend itself...
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If you can explain to me how starving children fits in to this argument, I'm all ears. Otherwise you're just buying into propaganda from fascists that want to wipe a group of people off the map.
 
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Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
  • May 25, 2025
  • #4,546
robinsforever said:
What has what Israel does or doesn't do got to do with some terrorist killing two innocent people in another land? That's like excusing an Indian for killing one of your family because of the black hole of calcutta!
Israel is seeing to wipe out Hamas who use innocent people as human shields. I applaud the intent of Israel. The execution is all wrong and has taken too long. Defeating terrorists is best done by blocking their supply of weapons. But that's all irrelevant to the point I was commenting on which is two lovely innocent people murdered for no reason.
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What a prick!
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 25, 2025
  • #4,547
Houchens Head said:
What a prick!
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They’ll learn and he will learn
You never beat an idea with military force
The only lasting solution will be a discussion unfortunately for thousands of women and children Hamas and the facist Israeli regime need to find it out the hard way
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • May 26, 2025
  • #4,548
The newsreel on BBC. Currently showing the starvation amongst the children and adults in Gaza. It’s appalling.
 
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chiefdave

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  • May 26, 2025
  • #4,549
Flying Fokker said:
The newsreel on BBC. Currently showing the starvation amongst the children and adults in Gaza. It’s appalling.
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horrific images and there's far far worse on social media

hopefully now the penny has dropped with France, Canada and us other countries will follow suit and some serious pressure will be applied

Of course saying it's wrong while not halting arms sales undermines the message
 
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Sick Boy

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  • May 26, 2025
  • #4,550
Another days and yet more murders - Israeli attack on school used as shelter in Gaza kills dozens, say local health officials – Middle East crisis live
 
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