Careful, Margaret Hodge will call you an antisemite for trying to be consistent.If only it were possible to be appalled by Hamas atrocities against Israeli civilians and by Israeli atrocities against Palestinian civilians.
Oh wait, it is!
Whatever the justification or retribution or continuing reprisals on both sides in the Middle East, I don’t want to see people raising flags from either Israel or Palestine in the UK. It should be stamped on and made a crime of incitement.Don’t know if accurate but owen jones says 96% of deaths in the conflict are Palestinian over the last 15 years
50% of the Palestinian population are
Whatever the justification or retribution or continuing reprisals on both sides in the Middle East, I don’t want to see people raising flags from either Israel or Palestine in the UK. It should be stamped on and made a crime of incitement.
What's the population of Israel? 10 million?The average Israeli is a zionist, and zionists are twats. I’ve said nothing ‘bad’ here. The sects of Jews that aren’t zionists have all my love and support.
God help us, I honestly didn’t realise they had started flying Israeli flags in London.Cool. Lets start the arrests at Downing Street.
A flag of convenienceWhich flag should I put on social media?
9.4 million with the 4th largest armed forces in the world and 90 nuclear weapons.What's the population of Israel? 10 million?
It's amazing how poor he is at thinking on his feet
Israel has the right to cut off energy and water for the population of Gaza. Being generous he mentions international law but it's nowhere near unequivocal enough.
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Isnt Starmers wife Jewish?
You say indiscriminately, but can't back up your claims I bet most of these civilian deaths have been beside something, weapons, high ranking military air defences ect. The only random civilian deaths I've heard of the last 5 years have been isreals civilians dying to mortars and missiles those that get through iron dome.
As for children should I send you a picture of a decapitated 11 month Old child?
Is that innocent enough for you?
A flag of convenience
The historical use of cluster munitions by Israel in Gaza has killed many children and mostly after the ceasefire. The basic scenario is a ceasefire is called kids leave home to play out, inevitably they play on bomb sites, disturb unexploded bomblets from cluster bombs and boom. Unexploded munitions such as cluster bomblets don’t adhere to ceasefires.There are almost a million children in the Gaza strip. They're innocent too, unless simply being born Palestinian is a crime.
Many of those children will die in the next few days directly because of Israel's actions. There won't be as many photos, but the deaths will be horrific nonetheless. Crushed, burned, suffocated, shot, or dying slowly and painfully through infection or blood loss because of the lack of medical supplies, you take your pick.
What Hamas did was unbelievably evil, and rightly condemned. But you can't say it's wrong to kill Israeli children and ok to kill Palestinian children unless you're some kind of deranged lunatic, imho.
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It's amazing how poor he is at thinking on his feet
Israel has the right to cut off energy and water for the population of Gaza. Being generous he mentions international law but it's nowhere near unequivocal enough.
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I'm not sure if he really believes it, or if he's just saying it because he terrified of how the right wing press will play it if he dares to criticise Israel.
This is the problem with having a leader who is so scared of the Daily Mail that he'll say anything to try to keep them onside.
I'm not sure if he really believes it, or if he's just saying it because he terrified of how the right wing press will play it if he dares to criticise Israel.
This is the problem with having a leader who is so scared of the Daily Mail that he'll say anything to try to keep them onside.
TBF the only measurable impact what he says will have is how it plays in the press. It’s not like he’s part of the peace process or has Netanyahu’s ear.
He's the leader of the Labour party and probably our next Prime Minister.
I think what he says on this issue is pretty important. It gives a fair indication of how his government will behave.
If you're interested in politics, on who to vote for, and on where the UK will stand on the world stage on these issues, then like it or not, what he says matters.
yawnHe's a barrister who's advocating breaking the Geneva convention. Fuck voting for this clown at the next GE.
he supports a 2 state solution as should every sane person, it was even in his conference speechHe's the leader of the Labour party and probably our next Prime Minister.
I think what he says on this issue is pretty important. It gives a fair indication of how his government will behave.
If you're interested in politics, on who to vote for, and on where the UK will stand on the world stage on these issues, then like it or not, what he says matters.
He's the leader of the Labour party and probably our next Prime Minister.
I think what he says on this issue is pretty important. It gives a fair indication of how his government will behave.
If you're interested in politics, on who to vote for, and on where the UK will stand on the world stage on these issues, then like it or not, what he says matters.
yawn
We're at the bash starmer stage now
Both the actions of Israel and Hamas are the actions of cunts. There is nothing left to debate so I will leave you this absolute bin fire of a thread that needs locking.
Don't worry, I think he already knows. His dirty paws are all over everything.Hmm. I think discussing what our politicians are saying about the situation is fair enough, and politely, I don't think it's down to you to decide to shut down the debate.
If you don't want to take part, fair enough - other threads are available.
No one here gives a rats about what he actually thinks or they'd take into account everything he has said and not 1 comment when cornered on itHmm. I think discussing what our politicians are saying about the situation is fair enough, and politely, I don't think it's down to you to decide to shut down the debate.
If you don't want to take part, fair enough - other threads are available.
It really doesn’t. Either Israel nor Hamas will be giving two shits what the UK thinks. His government will be pro Israel, Corbyn saw to that. But off the cuff remarks in an interview make no difference other than how people locally see him. And he’s already made the calculation that people like you already don’t like him but will either not vote or vote for a protest party so can be ignored.
Right.... what Starmer says on this isn't important.
So, is it important what he says on anything else or not, because I'm not quite clear now whether we should listen to him or not?
Perhaps you and David could separate out his "important" statements that we should listen to, from the ones like this that I assume you would think better that we didn't hear.
No one here gives a rats about what he actually thinks or they'd take into account everything he has said and not 1 comment when cornered on it
A yes it's a bin fire of a thread that will now be loads of pages of people talking about Keir Starmer and not the actual conflict
Right.... what Starmer says on this isn't important.
So, is it important what he says on anything else or not, because I'm not quite clear now whether we should listen to him or not?
Perhaps you and David could separate out his "important" statements that we should listen to, from the ones like this that I assume you would think better that we didn't hear.
Well as has been already said he talks about it in his conference speech but if you want to take an off the cuff remark when corner as the be all and end all crack on. It's really not going to have any bearing on the next GE which he will win quite comfortably.Right.... what Starmer says on this isn't important.
So, is it important what he says on anything else or not, because I'm not quite clear now whether we should listen to him or not?
Perhaps you and David could separate out his "important" statements that we should listen to, from the ones like this that I assume you would think better that we didn't hear.
Because I reserve the right to call nonsense nonsenseIf you don't care then why are you responding? Why was it posted in the first place? Of course people care what he thinks, and given it relates to the conflict it seems fair game for the thread.
Feel free to ignore it if choose, but it's not your or my place to be telling people they can't discuss stuff.
yawn
We're at the bash starmer stage now
Both the actions of Israel and Hamas are the actions of cunts. There is nothing left to debate so I will leave you this absolute bin fire of a thread that needs locking.
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