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Grendel

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #351
Tea & Busquets said:
. Nothing against Jews at all
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Of course not
 
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Tea & Busquets

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #352
Grendel said:
Why do you think?
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Jheez idk you take a guess first since you have all the answers oh wise one let’s hear it
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #353
Tea & Busquets said:
You somehow continue to amaze me with your lack of political awareness
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You actually just spew out sound byte rhetoric you’ve picked up from the internet - sorry you’ve no clue even what you are typing

You waded in that the very beginning on here and refuse to acknowledge Israel is backed by all major bodies in the West

You are effectively the Naz Shah of the group as you’ve already admitted to hating Israel which is interesting when you then seek a solution
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #354
Tea & Busquets said:
I’d say the average Israeli is a twat making Israel far worse in my book.
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What the fuck?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #355
Grendel said:
You actually just spew out sound byte rhetoric you’ve picked up from the internet - sorry you’ve no clue even what you are typing

You waded in that the very beginning on here and refuse to acknowledge Israel is backed by all major bodies in the West

You are effectively the Naz Shah of the group as you’ve already admitted to hating Israel which is interesting when you then seek a solution
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So if this means you're right on Israel how come the West opposing Russia's invasion doesn't make you wrong on Ukraine?

Do you also think we are right to arm the Saudis to bomb Yeman?
 

Tea & Busquets

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #356
SBT said:
What the fuck?
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The average Israeli is a zionist, and zionists are twats. I’ve said nothing ‘bad’ here. The sects of Jews that aren’t zionists have all my love and support.
 

Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #357
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #358
Tea & Busquets said:
The average Israeli is a zionist,
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Can you prove that?

I think thats a bit of a sweeping generalisation.
 
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Otis

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #359
CovPusb85 said:
Have you not seen what Hamas have done? I’m not shocked by the certain posters on this thread that sympathise with them……it’s the usual clowns
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No-one has sympathised with Hamas have they?

They have sympathised with Palestine and the Palestinian people.

Was listening to 5 Live this morning and it was saying so many Palestinians really hate Hamas.

Think all people are saying is, what Hamas did was horrific, but let's not pretend Israel are innocent. Both sides have historic culpability in this unholy (holy) mess.
 
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SBT

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #360
Tea & Busquets said:
The average Israeli is a zionist, and zionists are twats. I’ve said nothing ‘bad’ here. The sects of Jews that aren’t zionists have all my love and support.
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I’m sorry, this is just more offensive generalising bullshit. Don’t care how many surveys you want to link to.
 
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Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #361
SBT said:
I’m sorry, this is just more offensive generalising bullshit. Don’t care how many surveys you want to link to.
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I’m sorry that you don’t believe in legitimate polling that’s been conducted within their own state by their own sources published by their own press. Shame we’re in the business of denying legitimate forms of demographic analysis, anything for holy Israel it seems..
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #362
I knew somebody from Gaza once. They were one of the more well-off Palestinians, family owned a business and could afford to send him to the UK. He was happy to be friends with people from, wherever really, wasn't particularly politically engaged. However in the background, his family had lost a lot of their land and property during Israeli occupation.

And then once didn't come back once for months - Israel wouldn't let people out and then shelled where he lived, repeatedly. His family lost everything.

He despised Israel for what they did - he voted Hamas or whatever their political wing is, as what he saw was his land oppressed and colonised by an aggressor, when all his family wanted to do was work a living.

There are many sides to this story.

Of course, there'll be tales the other way of why non radical Israelis go hardline but I can't give the personal account of those, doesn't mean they don't exist though!

But that's what happens when places are drawn up and divided without empathy, people are ignored, and others exploit people for their own ends.
 
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Tea & Busquets

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #363
clint van damme said:
Can you prove that?

I think thats a bit of a sweeping generalisation.
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Yes it’s heavily documented, you can find a wide range of polls, biased, unbiased, etc that will all tell you roughly the same thing. I’m not linking 300 polls. It’s also just common sense that someone living in any country most likely supports its existence.
 
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napolimp

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #364
CovPusb85 said:
What a strange strange post
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napolimp

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #365
clint van damme said:
Has this been confirmed?!
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There's a picture, and if you don't take that at face value then you're a baby murderer.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #366
Tea & Busquets said:
I’m sorry that you don’t believe in legitimate polling that’s been conducted within their own state by their own sources published by their own press. Shame we’re in the business of denying legitimate forms of demographic analysis, anything for holy Israel it seems..
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I said the exact same thing when Grendel was trotting out crude generalisations about all Muslims being “generally the most racist”.

This is not about giving any side a free pass, it’s about not slurring and dehumanising millions of people based on the actions of some of the worst members of their community.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #367
napolimp said:
There's a picture, and if you don't take that at face value then you're a baby murderer.
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I saw a picture of that 'dead' German girl, her mother has confirmed she's alive.

Truth the first casualty of war and all that....
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #368
Tea & Busquets said:
Yes it’s heavily documented, you can find a wide range of polls, biased, unbiased, etc that will all tell you roughly the same thing. I’m not linking 300 polls. It’s also just common sense that someone living in any country most likely supports its existence.
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I support the existence of the UK but I don't support our fuck knuckled government or their ideology.
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #369
I’ve seen black and white pictures of UFO’s and all sorts with Nazi symbols on them. How they didn’t win WW2 is beyond me…
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #370
Don’t know if accurate but owen jones says 96% of deaths in the conflict are Palestinian over the last 15 years
50% of the Palestinian population are children
 
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napolimp

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #371
Grendel said:
You off again

I’ve already said every country in the west (one exception) agrees with the stance of supporting the Israel state - they acknowledge Israel as a legitimate government and do not acknowledge Hamas

Your views outside of this thread are not the majority - so by your own theory most governments and most people are “right wing twats”
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Didn't you vote for Brexit?

Brexit was opposed by the leader of the UK and pretty much every major western government - especially in the EU.

There's also evidence that Russia interfered with the democratic process leading up to the Brexit vote, and it's pretty clear Russia wanted Brexit.

So does that mean your views are aligned with Russia's (as you were badgering Tea & Busquets about earlier)?

I assume your reasoning would be that the government(s) were wrong about Brexit at the time, which is why you opposed them? And I assume Russia's support, and possible involvement, was an unfortunate footnote?

That would actually make you a hypocrite on this thread, as you're basically saying the same thing.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #372
Sky Blue Pete said:
Don’t know if accurate but owen jones says 96% of deaths in the conflict are Palestinian over the last 15 years
50% of the Palestinian population are children
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It's true.
The percentage of children is about to be reduced though.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #373
clint van damme said:
It's true.
The percentage of children is about to be reduced though.
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Sobering
Tearful this morning
What’s the point eh?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #374
Deleted member 9744 said:
Do you also think we are right to arm the Saudis to bomb Yeman?
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He said it secured British jobs so it was fine
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #375
Sky Blue Pete said:
Sobering
Tearful this morning
What’s the point eh?
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Don't mention dead Palestinian kids too much Pete, you'll have a few on this forum reaching for their wanking sock
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #376
For balance, it turns out I also know somebody who was dismissed for criticising the Palestinian Authority's killing of one of their critics!

State manipulation behind people
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #377
For balance, I like a bagel AND I like a kebab...... woke as fuck, me!
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #378
napolimp said:
Didn't you vote for Brexit?

Brexit was opposed by the leader of the UK and pretty much every major western government - especially in the EU.

There's also evidence that Russia interfered with the democratic process leading up to the Brexit vote, and it's pretty clear Russia wanted Brexit.

So does that mean your views are aligned with Russia's (as you were badgering Tea & Busquets about earlier)?

I assume your reasoning would be that the government(s) were wrong about Brexit at the time, which is why you opposed them? And I assume Russia's support, and possible involvement, was an unfortunate footnote?

That would actually make you a hypocrite on this thread, as you're basically saying the same thing.
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I think the mask has slipped with Tea and Bikkies - we all see what solution he wants
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #379

Israeli flags 'forcibly' removed from Sheffield and Rotherham town halls

Israeli flags flown in a "show of solidarity" were removed in Sheffield and Rotherham, the councils say.
www.bbc.co.uk

Flag wars.....
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #380
Which flag should I put on social media?
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #381
Lads, google is your friend

90% of Israeli Jews call themselves Zionists, Herzl Day poll finds, so it seems he was talking about something that there is evidence for.
 
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napolimp

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #382
Nick said:
Which flag should I put on social media?
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Whatever fuckin flag you want to put up there. Post a picture of your own testicles if you want to.
 
Last edited: Oct 11, 2023
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Tommo1993

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #383
Nick said:
Which flag should I put on social media?
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napolimp said:
Whatever fuckin flag you want to up there. Post a picture of your own testicles if you want to.
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Add me first though
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #384
clint van damme said:
Can you prove that?

I think thats a bit of a sweeping generalisation.
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My understanding has always been that the vast majority of Heradi Jews are anti-Zionist as they see the creation of the current State of Israel as as blasphemy. They account for about 16% of Jews in Israel and it’s also the fastest growing sect of Judaism. Many many Orthodox Jews feel the same, especially ones from Jerusalem many of who refer to themselves as Neturei Karta and see themselves as protectors of Jerusalem. The other clue is that General elections in Israel are pretty much always a hung parliament and the government is a coalition. Less than 50% of the population of Israel are secular Jews and as a rough rule of thumb it’s secular Jews that tend to be Zionist.
 
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SBT

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  • Oct 11, 2023
  • #385
David O'Day said:
Lads, google is your friend

90% of Israeli Jews call themselves Zionists, Herzl Day poll finds, so it seems he was talking about something that there is evidence for.
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Where is the evidence that all “Zionists are twats”?
 
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