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Sick Boy

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  • Apr 7, 2024
  • #3,711
hamertime said:
I quite liked braverman, at least she had a pair unlike the rest of rancid cocksuckers.
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She was useless and just playing to the gallery.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 7, 2024
  • #3,712
messiahrobins said:
One look at the profile pic of that Jack poster tells me he is an Antifa far left clown posting utter shite, which is their way.
Like i say anyone with even moderate IQ levels can see there is absolutely no reason or benefit for Israel to target aid workers. There are plenty of reasons for Hamas to, or their supporters.
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Love how being Anti- facist is seen as a bad thing by right wing morons.
 
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duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 7, 2024
  • #3,713
messiahrobins said:
No kid, you are just salty i schooled you. There is no such think as a Judicial Review lawyer. Braverman no doubt has done cases regarding issuing a judicial review claim but she will specialise in other areas and is a public law barrister.
Did you go to a state school?
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At least the school I went to taught reading comprehension (and additionally, how not to look like a arrogant knob).

Braverman herself states that she specialises in Judicial Review, you admit this yourself. Therefore it's not unreasonable to describe her as a Judicial Review lawyer in the context that was used.

You've tried to look a bit clever, and failed. It's a common trait of pseudo-posh twats who are too lazy to do their research properly and then try to bluff it out (cf Boris).

If your parents genuinely put you through private schooling, they really ought to ask for refund.
 
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messiahrobins

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  • Apr 7, 2024
  • #3,714
duffer said:
At least the school I went to taught reading comprehension (and additionally, how not to look like a arrogant knob).

Braverman herself states that she specialises in Judicial Review, you admit this yourself. Therefore it's not unreasonable to describe her as a Judicial Review lawyer in the context that was used.

You've tried to look a bit clever, and failed. It's a common trait of pseudo-posh twats who are too lazy to do their research properly and then try to bluff it out (cf Boris).

If your parents genuinely put you through private schooling, they really ought to ask for refund.
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Mate don't cry you got made to look a clown.
There is no reason for any lawyer to say they specialise only in Judicial Review you utter muppet as they would be on the bread line. There are so few JR cases as the grounds for JR are so limited but limitation is a major issue.
Braverman specialises in Public Law although she in fact did other areas as well as very few barristers limit themselves these days due to so many solicitors having higher rights of audience.
 
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messiahrobins

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  • Apr 7, 2024
  • #3,715
lordsummerisle said:
Love how being Anti- facist is seen as a bad thing by right wing morons.
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Hamas is directly linked to Nazis and fascism lol. Israel is fighting fascism. The Nazis were a Socialist party btw fyi.
 
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lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 7, 2024
  • #3,716
messiahrobins said:
Hamas is directly linked to Nazis and fascism lol. Israel is fighting fascism. The Nazis were a Socialist party btw fyi.
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Nothing, absolutely nothing, is better than
" The Nazis were socialists ", to confirm someone is a total fucking moron.

To be fair, confirmation not really required in your case.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 7, 2024
  • #3,717
messiahrobins said:
Hamas is directly linked to Nazis and fascism lol. Israel is fighting fascism. The Nazis were a Socialist party btw fyi.
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You’ll be telling us that North Korea is a democracy next.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 7, 2024
  • #3,718
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230622-israels-state-archive-exposes-zionist-efforts-to-enlist-nazis-against-britain/amp/
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 7, 2024
  • #3,719
clint van damme said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230622-israels-state-archive-exposes-zionist-efforts-to-enlist-nazis-against-britain/amp/
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Your anger at the situation in Gaza may be justified, but using a picture of an Israeli flag with a swastika on it as your profile picture is outrageous and should be changed imo
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 7, 2024
  • #3,720
clint van damme said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230622-israels-state-archive-exposes-zionist-efforts-to-enlist-nazis-against-britain/amp/
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Please change your new profile picture - it’s incredibly offensive.
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 7, 2024
  • #3,721
Yeah that's not helpful at all
 
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messiahrobins

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 7, 2024
  • #3,722
skybluetony176 said:
You’ll be telling us that North Korea is a democracy next.
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This is a very binary issue, you either support Israel or Nazis. Hamas have long established links with the Nazis. Pick your poison.
 
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messiahrobins

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  • Apr 7, 2024
  • #3,723
lordsummerisle said:
Nothing, absolutely nothing, is better than
" The Nazis were socialists ", to confirm someone is a total fucking moron.

To be fair, confirmation not really required in your case.
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Facts don't care about your feelings kid. The Nazis were literally a socialist party lmao.
You may want Jews to be removed, but Israel is winning so that will never happen.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,724
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Please change your new profile picture - it’s incredibly offensive.
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Who is it offensive to?
You've posted once in this thread and it's to complain about a profile picture, not a word about thousands of dead children, do you think you've got your priorities right?
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,725
SBT said:
Your anger at the situation in Gaza may be justified, but using a picture of an Israeli flag with a swastika on it as your profile picture is outrageous and should be changed imo
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Liquid Gold said:
Yeah that's not helpful at all
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Coming from you two I'll take it on board.
 
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duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,726
messiahrobins said:
Mate don't cry you got made to look a clown.
There is no reason for any lawyer to say they specialise only in Judicial Review you utter muppet as they would be on the bread line. There are so few JR cases as the grounds for JR are so limited but limitation is a major issue.
Braverman specialises in Public Law although she in fact did other areas as well as very few barristers limit themselves these days due to so many solicitors having higher rights of audience.
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Entirely irrelevant bunch of waffle. You're flapping a bit now mate, so let's keep it simple. Just answer one question, it's not a hard one so there's no need to panic, love...

Does Braverman describe herself as specialising in Judicial Review. Yes or no?
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,727
messiahrobins said:
Facts don't care about your feelings kid. The Nazis were literally a socialist party lmao.
You may want Jews to be removed, but Israel is winning so that will never happen.
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Facts. Don't make me laugh. You're either a complete troll or just incredibly dim. Pretty sad either way.

I think you're probably just desperately looking for attention, rather than believing the bullshit you're spouting, but just in case, here's a simple explanation of why you're wrong. Again.

Were the Nazis Socialists? | Britannica

What’s the difference between National Socialists and every other kind of socialist?
www.britannica.com
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,728
messiahrobins said:
This is a very binary issue, you either support Israel or Nazis. Hamas have long established links with the Nazis. Pick your poison.
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If it was binary it wouldn’t have been going on for decades. You really ain’t very clever. I’m on the side of the tens of thousands of innocent people who have been killed. Even in Israel it isn’t binary. Tens of thousands Israelis took to the streets again over the weekend demanding an end to hostilities, a negotiation for the return of the hostages, Netanyahu to resign and an immediate general election. Are you really suggesting that tens of thousands of Israeli Jews are on the side of “Nazis”?
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,729
messiahrobins said:
Facts don't care about your feelings kid. The Nazis were literally a socialist party lmao.
You may want Jews to be removed, but Israel is winning so that will never happen.
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Again. Do you believe that the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is a democracy? You seem to be struggling with oxymorons again. As well as facts.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,730
messiahrobins said:
This is a very binary issue, you either support Israel or Nazis. Hamas have long established links with the Nazis. Pick your poison.
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How about just wanting a two state solution where Hamas are decommissioned and Israel withdraw their illegal settlements from the West Bank?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,731
This is incredibly worrying

Only 1 in 4 British Muslims believe Hamas carried out rape and murder on October 7, according to survey - The Jewish Chronicle

The survey is the largest of its kind since Hamas invaded Israel six months ago
www.thejc.com

What do we think is happening in educated Islamic circles to ignore facts
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,732
Sky Blue Pete said:
This is incredibly worrying

Only 1 in 4 British Muslims believe Hamas carried out rape and murder on October 7, according to survey - The Jewish Chronicle

The survey is the largest of its kind since Hamas invaded Israel six months ago
www.thejc.com

What do we think is happening in educated Islamic circles to ignore facts
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TBF, I wouldn't believe that the Jewish Chronicle report anything on the Palestinian issue (for want of a better word) objectively.

E.g. "The survey found that just under half of British Muslims, 46 per cent, said they sympathise with Hamas" could be rewritten as "More than half of British Muslims say they do not sympathise with Hamas"
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,733
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
TBF, I wouldn't believe that the Jewish Chronicle report anything on the Palestinian issue (for want of a better word) objectively.

E.g. "The survey found that just under half of British Muslims, 46 per cent, said they sympathise with Hamas" could be rewritten as "More than half of British Muslims say they do not sympathise with Hamas"
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I did that at first but if you dig deeper it’s scary and would love yours and others thoughts as to why
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,734
I don't know what rock "MessiahRobins" crawled out from under, but i really wish he/she would go back there and take his/her warped views of international geo-politics with him/her. And stop calling everyone "kid" you demeaning, disrespectful WANKER!
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,735
Sky Blue Pete said:
This is incredibly worrying

Only 1 in 4 British Muslims believe Hamas carried out rape and murder on October 7, according to survey - The Jewish Chronicle

The survey is the largest of its kind since Hamas invaded Israel six months ago
www.thejc.com

What do we think is happening in educated Islamic circles to ignore facts
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I think denial in the face of facts is human nature in a way Pete. If you did a snap poll of Jews in Britain on whether they think the IDF is committing atrocities in Gaza I’d dare say you’d get a similar statistic, possibly even higher in denying that they are. Which wouldn’t be surprising as we have a government in denial about it and a largely compliant press happy to go along with it.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,736
skybluetony176 said:
I think denial in the face of facts is human nature in a way Pete. If you did a snap poll of Jews in Britain on whether they think the IDF is committing atrocities in Gaza I’d dare say you’d get a similar statistic, possibly even higher in denying that they are. Which wouldn’t be surprising as we have a government in denial about it and a largely compliant press happy to go along with it.
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You’ve done it too
Is that not scary that intelligent academic age groups ignore facts and evidence??
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,737
Sky Blue Pete said:
You’ve done it too
Is that not scary that intelligent academic age groups ignore facts and evidence??
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What has Tony "done" in your eyes? Are we not having a debate about the issue you posted on?
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,738
Sky Blue Pete said:
This is incredibly worrying

Only 1 in 4 British Muslims believe Hamas carried out rape and murder on October 7, according to survey - The Jewish Chronicle

The survey is the largest of its kind since Hamas invaded Israel six months ago
www.thejc.com

What do we think is happening in educated Islamic circles to ignore facts
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The JC has had more IPSO investigations and had to make more libel payouts than pretty much any other publication over the last 6/7 years. I genuinely wouldn’t believe a word it published.

Is there a similar article from a proper publication that we can discuss?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,739
Ian1779 said:
The JC has had more IPSO investigations and had to make more libel payouts than pretty much any other publication over the last 6/7 years. I genuinely wouldn’t believe a word it published.

Is there a similar article from a proper publication that we can discuss?
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This is different but it’s still well out of step with 21st century thinking and a publication I’m sure is acceptable

Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, poll finds

Survey for Channel 4 documentary finds 23% want sharia law but most feel strong connection with Britain
amp.theguardian.com
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,740
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
What has Tony "done" in your eyes? Are we not having a debate about the issue you posted on?
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Only the same as me
Jumped to answer a different question than the one posed
Is there an issue with educated Muslims in our nation ignoring facts
Do I or we do the same? Is it a human thing not religions thing
No judgement and yes we are I agree
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,741
Sky Blue Pete said:
Only the same as me
Jumped to answer a different question than the one posed
Is there an issue with educated Muslims in our nation ignoring facts
Do I or we do the same? Is it a human thing not religions thing
No judgement and yes we are I agree
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Isreal have continually been caught lying on a whole host of issues pre and post Oct 7th.

Is it any wonder people don't believe them?

I fully accept that 1400 people were killed on Oct 7th personally bur even then Israel lied about the nature of the deaths, (40 beheaded babies), Ive no idea why they do this, surely 1400 people murdered is bad enough?
 
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rob9872

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,742
I said at the start of this, it was a war I didn't really understand that had been going for decades and no real outlook of peace. Since the escalation and becoming a more global issue, it seems just as bad with as usual innocent people dying on both sides. I'm not sure I understand it much more than I did then.

So much arguing on here and most of you nailing your colours to the mast in the way we all do on the political thread. This isn't uk politics, there is no good in this and a ceasefire is the only positive outcome. Just like NI until we get past the who is right and wrong and look to the future it will continue. Petty point scoring on here is particularly pathetic and the only consideration should be the victims on both sides.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,743
Sky Blue Pete said:
I did that at first but if you dig deeper it’s scary and would love yours and others thoughts as to why
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I had a look at the raw data. About 30% of those surveyed had a ‘positive’ view of Hamas, compared to about 3% having the same view of IS despite both being terrorist organisations.
 
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duffer

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,744
Sky Blue Pete said:
Only the same as me
Jumped to answer a different question than the one posed
Is there an issue with educated Muslims in our nation ignoring facts
Do I or we do the same? Is it a human thing not religions thing
No judgement and yes we are I agree
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I think the answer to your question, Pete, is that it might be based on a flawed assumption (i.e. that educated Muslims are ignoring 'facts') based on a single, potentially biased study.

I don't think that this is one to fall out over, mate. I'd worry more about the motivation of those who try to fit "Muslims", or for that matter Jews, Christians, or atheists, into homogenous groups with single opinions. It's never really true, and it's often a mask for some kind of prejudice (entirely imho).
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 8, 2024
  • #3,745
rob9872 said:
I said at the start of this, it was a war I didn't really understand that had been going for decades and no real outlook of peace. Since the escalation and becoming a more global issue, it seems just as bad with as usual innocent people dying on both sides. I'm not sure I understand it much more than I did then.

So much arguing on here and most of you nailing your colours to the mast in the way we all do on the political thread. This isn't uk politics, there is no good in this and a ceasefire is the only positive outcome. Just like NI until we get past the who is right and wrong and look to the future it will continue. Petty point scoring on here is particularly pathetic and the only consideration should be the victims on both sides.
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If anyone is nailing their colours to the mast it’s the poster making it a binary choice between Israel and ‘Nazis’. Most actually just want the killing to stop.
 
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