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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,571
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Very few on here have denied that Hamas are terrorists. What I’m trying to work out is why far right people like you are still backing Israeli war crimes.

Assuming it’s some thinly veiled Islamophobia
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It's not islamophobia. It's not far right. He's just winding everyone up.
 
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hamertime

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,572
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Very few on here have denied that Hamas are terrorists. What I’m trying to work out is why far right people like you are still backing Israeli war crimes.

Assuming it’s some thinly veiled Islamophobia
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I am not far right but I am right wing. As far as I am concerned after what Hamas did anything is on the table, imagine if that was done to us we would back the most volatile response. The things that were done show the mentality of the people you are dealing with. I class the vast majority of Palestinians as Hamas as they are ingrained in the population and it was the population that were holding prisoners. Israel is a civilised country aligned similarly with our mentality. Women can be who they want, anyone can. I agree with this freedom and i back anyone who promotes that. Also Israel is an important ally to the west also strategically. This country should and will do everything in its power to make sure israel remains. Should it have got to this stage no, Israel should not have tried to take more land but it is what it is now you can’t change that. Don’t think for one second anyone in the Middle East give a monkeys about us. I know what I believe.
 
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hamertime

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,573
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
There are no Hamas sympathisers on here. I haven't read one single statement in their favour .
What you see as Hamas supporter is anyone who sees Israel's killings of thousands of innocent people as wrong. That's not the same . You need to get a grip of your emotions and respond a bit more rationally.
You wouldn't shoot anyone on here either. You're all talk and actually a nice bloke under all that bile and hatred.
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I am totally calm, I don’t need to get a grip of my emotions I firmly believe everything I say. I am entitled to believe what I want. You are right though I am a nice bloke. Of course I wouldn’t shoot anyone lol
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,574
hamertime said:
I am not far right but I am right wing. As far as I am concerned after what Hamas did anything is on the table, imagine if that was done to us we would back the most volatile response. The things that were done show the mentality of the people you are dealing with. I class the vast majority of Palestinians as Hamas as they are ingrained in the population and it was the population that were holding prisoners. Israel is a civilised country aligned similarly with our mentality. Women can be who they want, anyone can. I agree with this freedom and i back anyone who promotes that. Also Israel is an important ally to the west also strategically. This country should and will do everything in its power to make sure israel remains. Should it have got to this stage no, Israel should not have tried to take more land but it is what it is now you can’t change that. Don’t think for one second anyone in the Middle East give a monkeys about us. I know what I believe.
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Israel is doing the equivalent of us bombing Catholic areas of NI during the Troubles and killing tens of thousands of civilians.

Nothing justifies what they have done.
 
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hamertime

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,575
Evo1883 said:
You're in the minority , in the country too .

Israel are committing genocide
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Really, our government think different. I think they know the truth more than you do. Israel is important to this countries security. It’s a foothold in a region that mainly despises us. The only important thing for me is this country no one else.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,576
hamertime said:
I am not far right but I am right wing. As far as I am concerned after what Hamas did anything is on the table, imagine if that was done to us we would back the most volatile response. The things that were done show the mentality of the people you are dealing with. I class the vast majority of Palestinians as Hamas as they are ingrained in the population and it was the population that were holding prisoners. Israel is a civilised country aligned similarly with our mentality. Women can be who they want, anyone can. I agree with this freedom and i back anyone who promotes that. Also Israel is an important ally to the west also strategically. This country should and will do everything in its power to make sure israel remains. Should it have got to this stage no, Israel should not have tried to take more land but it is what it is now you can’t change that. Don’t think for one second anyone in the Middle East give a monkeys about us. I know what I believe.
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Would you endorse Israel using tactical nuclear weapons to destroy Hamas ?
And please don't say no because innocent people would be killed. That would be ironic.
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,577
hamertime said:
Really, our government think different. I think they know the truth more than you do. Israel is important to this countries security. It’s a foothold in a region that mainly despises us. The only important thing for me is this country no one else.
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And by Israel killing over 13000 children , they are keeping us secure?
 
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hamertime

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,578
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Would you endorse Israel using tactical nuclear weapons to destroy Hamas ?
And please don't say no because innocent people would be killed. That would be ironic.
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That’s a weird question. No because they don’t need to they will wipe them out anyway. They will smoke the rats out.
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,579
Evo1883 said:
And by Israel killing over 13000 children , they are keeping us secure?
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He doesn't even realise just north of Israel is one of our actual NATO allies which is a much bigger country.
 
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hamertime

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,580
Evo1883 said:
And by Israel killing over 13000 children , they are keeping us secure?
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Our government has no concern about how many Palestinians are killed, all they care about is having Israel as an ally. A strategic ally in a region where would could attack any number of country’s in that region from. That’s the reality of it in my opinion.
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,581
David O'Day said:
He doesn't even realise just north of Israel is one of our actual NATO allies which is a much bigger country.
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And a more powerful military than Israel too
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,582
Evo1883 said:
And a more powerful military than Israel too
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Yep, also the Saudi's can be a horrible lot but the UK is allied with them as well.
 
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hamertime

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,583
There is not a chance the UK and USA will ever not back Israel. They put pressure on enemies by encroaching closer just like they are doing to Russia with Ukraine.
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,584
hamertime said:
Our government has no concern about how many Palestinians are killed, all they care about is having Israel as an ally. A strategic ally in a region where would could attack any number of country’s in that region from. That’s the reality of it in my opinion.
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The strategic country in the region is Cyprus for the British military , not israel
 
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hamertime

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,585
David O'Day said:
Yep, also the Saudi's can be a horrible lot but the UK is allied with them as well.
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On the surface
 
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hamertime

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,586
Evo1883 said:
The strategic country in the region is Cyprus for the British military , not israel
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It’s an island, Israel is attached by land.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,587
hamertime said:
That’s a weird question. No because they don’t need to they will wipe them out anyway. They will smoke the rats out.
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Not as long as there are women and children to kill .
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,588
hamertime said:
On the surface
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They will are, as said we have multiple allies in the region including a more powerful one who is part of NATO
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,589
hamertime said:
It’s an island, Israel is attached by land.
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Yes and that is why it is strategically a better base than Israel.

Military 101
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,590
Evo1883 said:
And by Israel killing over 13000 children , they are keeping us secure?
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Or themselves?
 

Evo1883

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,591
hamertime said:
It’s an island, Israel is attached by land.
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Cyprus is a strategic base for the British army navy and RAF , as its about 200 miles away from the middle east .


https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/akrotiri-and-dhekelia-are-uk-bases-on-cyprus-island-fueling-israeli-arsenal-17493357
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,592
hamertime said:
There is not a chance the UK and USA will ever not back Israel. They put pressure on enemies by encroaching closer just like they are doing to Russia with Ukraine.
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Factually wrong.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,593
hamertime said:
I am totally calm, I don’t need to get a grip of my emotions I firmly believe everything I say. I am entitled to believe what I want. You are right though I am a nice bloke. Of course I wouldn’t shoot anyone lol
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Let's say Israel wipe out Hamas. What happens next ?
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,594
@hamertime in the interests of fairness I do feel that if you are going to argue military matters with Evo that should know he is an ex soldier.
 
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hamertime

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,595
Evo1883 said:
Cyprus is a strategic base for the British army navy and RAF , as its about 200 miles away from the middle east .


https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/akrotiri-and-dhekelia-are-uk-bases-on-cyprus-island-fueling-israeli-arsenal-17493357
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So if you wanted to launch a land attack where would be better, Cyprus or Israel?

Just get it in to your head no matter what Israel does the Uk and USA will always back it. No matter how many protests are done it will fall on deaf ears. Israel is an Ally that’s it.
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,596
David O'Day said:
They will are, as said we have multiple allies in the region including a more powerful one who is part of NATO
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An actual expert says the strategic importance argument is bollocks

 
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hamertime

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,597
David O'Day said:
@hamertime in the interests of fairness I do feel that if you are going to argue military matters with Evo that should know he is an ex soldier.
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So?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,598
hamertime said:
How would you know the closest you have ever got to one is when you fell out of one in the old ball
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That genuinely is hilarious - and true
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,599
David O'Day said:
He doesn't even realise just north of Israel is one of our actual NATO allies which is a much bigger country.
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You did of course question @Evo1883 on the Ukraine thread and seemed then to believe his military knowledge was irrelevant
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,600

Always on his mind, yet he is always on ignore
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,601
David O'Day said:
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Always on his mind, yet he is always on ignore
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Oh dear a terrorist sympathiser is raging
 
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SBT

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,602
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
There are no Hamas sympathisers on here. I haven't read one single statement in their favour .
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Hasn’t stopped more than one poster from suggesting there is widespread support for Hamas on here - a bizarre claim at the time, even more grotesque today
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,603
Evo1883 said:
Cyprus is a strategic base for the British army navy and RAF , as its about 200 miles away from the middle east .


https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/akrotiri-and-dhekelia-are-uk-bases-on-cyprus-island-fueling-israeli-arsenal-17493357
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Bit crowded though probably get more crowded soon!!
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,604
Grendel said:
Oh dear a terrorist sympathiser is raging
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He's a military expert himself, of sorts.
That iconic Adams avatar has never quite gone away.
 

David O'Day

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  • Apr 4, 2024
  • #3,605
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
He's a military expert himself, of sorts.
That iconic Adams avatar has never quite gone away.
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Neither has the fact that you had posts deleted for racism.
 
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