how can ACL give revenue streams for food and drink they don't own it all compass do
This is what I think would be a fair deal for the club to return to Ricoh on short term deal.
SISU pay ACL rent figure that matches Sixfields deal - which IIRC is about £175K
SISU pay match day costs as per normal arrangements.
SISU responsible for stadium pitch and football facilities maintenance, and share other stadium maintenance with ACL.
ACL give CCFC 100% of all parking revenue, F&B sales and all football related sponsorship within the stadium bowl.
If CCFC were to be promoted - then Season 2 would see rent increase to £300K - all other terms stay the same.
Now although it may seem that ACL are giving a bit more here - we are told that they have a sustainable business, yet they don't receive any money from any of these sources as things currently stand. So there would be no loss to them - and they would gain money through rental income and sponsorship outside of the stadium bowl by a returning football team.
ACL could also benefit by being able to secure a better deal for the stadium sponsorship which needs renewing next year.
The revenue streams that SISU want are the non-matchday revenue that is associated with the stadium (and as it shares the same location as the club then it can be taken for FFP calculations)
So they either use the short term deal to negotiate a position to buy out ACL in full at a fair price (meaning the council have to play ball) or use the time in the short term deal to build 'New Highfield Road' at which point they can generate their own.
Thoughts?
She wants it in Rio.
This is what I think would be a fair deal for the club to return to Ricoh on short term deal.
SISU pay ACL rent figure that matches Sixfields deal - which IIRC is about £175K
SISU pay match day costs as per normal arrangements.
SISU responsible for stadium pitch and football facilities maintenance, and share other stadium maintenance with ACL.
ACL give CCFC 100% of all parking revenue, F&B sales and all football related sponsorship within the stadium bowl.
If CCFC were to be promoted - then Season 2 would see rent increase to £300K - all other terms stay the same.
Now although it may seem that ACL are giving a bit more here - we are told that they have a sustainable business, yet they don't receive any money from any of these sources as things currently stand. So there would be no loss to them - and they would gain money through rental income and sponsorship outside of the stadium bowl by a returning football team.
ACL could also benefit by being able to secure a better deal for the stadium sponsorship which needs renewing next year.
The revenue streams that SISU want are the non-matchday revenue that is associated with the stadium (and as it shares the same location as the club then it can be taken for FFP calculations)
So they either use the short term deal to negotiate a position to buy out ACL in full at a fair price (meaning the council have to play ball) or use the time in the short term deal to build 'New Highfield Road' at which point they can generate their own.
Thoughts?
Great post Ian. Think we all agree this would be great news and fair all round.
My only gripe is why mention promotion as I don't believe in miracles.
If we don't turn up with the intent to win then why turn up at all.
Really only a hundred adult season tickets sold?
The match day revenue line is just an excuse. Its so small in the overall scale of things when compared to the loss of income from gates and sponsership since SISU decided thay prefered to play football in Northampton.
The only reason they cling on to the match day revenue bollocks is because its out of the control of ACL and in the control or part control of Compass, if I remember correctly the club sold these rights as far back as when we played at Highfield Rd.
If ACL came up with a deal with Compass and offered SISU access to the tea and pie profits along with reduced rent they would move the goal posts and find another excuse.
This is what I think would be a fair deal for the club to return to Ricoh on short term deal.
SISU pay ACL rent figure that matches Sixfields deal - which IIRC is about £175K
SISU pay match day costs as per normal arrangements.
SISU responsible for stadium pitch and football facilities maintenance, and share other stadium maintenance with ACL.
ACL give CCFC 100% of all parking revenue, F&B sales and all football related sponsorship within the stadium bowl.
If CCFC were to be promoted - then Season 2 would see rent increase to £300K - all other terms stay the same.
Now although it may seem that ACL are giving a bit more here - we are told that they have a sustainable business, yet they don't receive any money from any of these sources as things currently stand. So there would be no loss to them - and they would gain money through rental income and sponsorship outside of the stadium bowl by a returning football team.
ACL could also benefit by being able to secure a better deal for the stadium sponsorship which needs renewing next year.
The revenue streams that SISU want are the non-matchday revenue that is associated with the stadium (and as it shares the same location as the club then it can be taken for FFP calculations)
So they either use the short term deal to negotiate a position to buy out ACL in full at a fair price (meaning the council have to play ball) or use the time in the short term deal to build 'New Highfield Road' at which point they can generate their own.
Thoughts?
You can forget about the f&b its peanuts. What Sisu really want is the wonga for stadium naming rights and non football related revenue !!
I can't see how they can ask for them on a short term rent deal
What do people think would be an acceptable % of match day revenues the club should get out of intrest.
I would say 100%, but that won't be on offer I don't think
What do people think would be an acceptable % of match day revenues the club should get out of intrest.
I would say 100%, but that won't be on offer I don't think
This is what I think would be a fair deal for the club to return to Ricoh on short term deal.
SISU pay ACL rent figure that matches Sixfields deal - which IIRC is about £175K
SISU pay match day costs as per normal arrangements.
SISU responsible for stadium pitch and football facilities maintenance, and share other stadium maintenance with ACL.
ACL give CCFC 100% of all parking revenue, F&B sales and all football related sponsorship within the stadium bowl.
If CCFC were to be promoted - then Season 2 would see rent increase to £300K - all other terms stay the same.
Now although it may seem that ACL are giving a bit more here - we are told that they have a sustainable business, yet they don't receive any money from any of these sources as things currently stand. So there would be no loss to them - and they would gain money through rental income and sponsorship outside of the stadium bowl by a returning football team.
ACL could also benefit by being able to secure a better deal for the stadium sponsorship which needs renewing next year.
The revenue streams that SISU want are the non-matchday revenue that is associated with the stadium (and as it shares the same location as the club then it can be taken for FFP calculations)
So they either use the short term deal to negotiate a position to buy out ACL in full at a fair price (meaning the council have to play ball) or use the time in the short term deal to build 'New Highfield Road' at which point they can generate their own.
Thoughts?
Not unreasonable Ian although I do not see it being that simple (that's not to say I do not wish it was)
Couple of comments and I am not trying to be deliberately negative, more highlighting some potential sticking points
- you say no loss to ACL from the stadium bowl being CCFC's but wont the football usage require the hotel rooms to be closed on match days for example? What about events already booked?
- where does the "bowl" stop and the rest of the complex start? for instance they share the same Atrium and by definition costs but what split?
- what are normal matchday costs? The club has repeatedly said they dispute how much they were paying
- define football facilities as opposed to stadium facilities.
- wont ACL have to calculate what they gain or lose in each area and surely they will not want to be below breakeven on that calculation?
- Sponsorship - what is football related and what is not?
- if the club only rent the stadium bowl do they actually share the same location as the other income streams?
- wont ACL require some form of security eg rental deposit?
- If ACL give CCFC the parking revenue etc who picks up the costs of those income streams?
- IEC Experience operate the stadium by using Compass any change would affect their agreements wouldn't it?
- why £300k in the Championship is that the going rate?
- Just because there is a sustainable business plan at ACL is not a justification to give income sources away. I think the angle you are driving at is that everyone gains which I agree and understand seems sensible - would need to be proven that is the case.
- it isn't just about CCFC bringing in own staff there would be insurance, licence and health & safety issues.
- who pays the legal fees?
- what stops a similar situation to 2012/13 happening again?
- The assumption is that CCC and Charity want to sell - do we know that?
Not saying that all that can not be overcome, understand the direction you are coming from but there are a lot more hurdles than it might at first seem. That said I think ACL would be interested in taking a deal something like that forward even just short term. CCC well unless it is about the freehold they don't actually get the decision on rent (yes they of course influence) - the freehold is not available. SISU, well I have this feeling they would play lip service to this because their goals have not changed and are certainly not influenced by the increasing desperation/frustration of the fans - I might be wrong on that but .......
On a positive note it would seem a reasonable deal for CCFC
Ian, you are wasting your time working out details like that, and as OSB points out in his kindly way it is a topic which you don't really have a detailed understanding of.
The bottom line is that unless both parties want to talk nothing will happen.
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