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Is Promotion Bigger Than the FA Cup Win? (6 Viewers)

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CovValleyBoy

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  • Today at 10:44 AM
  • #71
Grendel said:
It’s a bit like saying when forest first got back to the premier league it’s a bigger achievement then winning the European Cup
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You've thrown in "achievement" , that wasn't the question Mr G.
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 10:47 AM
  • #72
CovValleyBoy said:
You've thrown in "achievement" , that wasn't the question Mr G.
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It’s bigger as it’s a bigger competition. Luton got promoted. It’s hardly huge.
 
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Today at 10:54 AM
  • #73
How many City fans actually attended all of our 87 Cup matches.
There were only about 12000 at the Bolton match but more interestingly only about 4000 at the Man Utd away fixture. So only a max of 4000 could of watched the entire Cup run. Unlikely they went to all of the first 3 fixtures including the 8000 at Stoke. So I'm guessing about 2000 City fans maximum would of been at all 6 matches.
Ok it's only a guess (?)

Interests me because all City fans of a certain age claim to have been at every round in 87.

But were they ??
 
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Dougin

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  • Today at 11:04 AM
  • #74
CovValleyBoy said:
How many City fans actually attended all of our 87 Cup matches.
There were only about 12000 at the Bolton match but more interestingly only about 4000 at the Man Utd away fixture. So only a max of 4000 could of watched the entire Cup run. Unlikely they went to all of the first 3 fixtures including the 8000 at Stoke. So I'm guessing about 2000 City fans maximum would of been at all 6 matches.
Ok it's only a guess (?)

Interests me because all City fans of a certain age claim to have been at every round in 87.

But were they ??
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Went to all except united away, as a 6 year old....
 
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Calista

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  • Today at 11:23 AM
  • #75
FergieTheFinisher said:
Thinking about this I recall a number of attendances that 87 FAC year under 10k, and possibly as low as 8k. This year we’re packing out our stadium every week.
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Gates were often surprisingly low in those days, sometimes 11k / 12k, but there were never any home crowds as low as you've said there.
 
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Calista

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  • Today at 11:32 AM
  • #76
Another angle on this - was the 1987 Cup Final our biggest ever live worldwide audience? Broadcasting has obviously expanded enormously in the last 40 years, so maybe something like the playoff final exceeded it?
 
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SkyBlueMatt

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  • Today at 11:44 AM
  • #77
No, it's not bigger than the FA cup. Promotion is more valuable but with the FA cup, you've won something, forever. With promotion, we could come straight back down and take another 25 years to go back up.

It has been devalued because all PL clubs are soulless and the only thing that matters is money.
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 11:52 AM
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CovValleyBoy said:
How many City fans actually attended all of our 87 Cup matches.
There were only about 12000 at the Bolton match but more interestingly only about 4000 at the Man Utd away fixture. So only a max of 4000 could of watched the entire Cup run. Unlikely they went to all of the first 3 fixtures including the 8000 at Stoke. So I'm guessing about 2000 City fans maximum would of been at all 6 matches.
Ok it's only a guess (?)

Interests me because all City fans of a certain age claim to have been at every round in 87.

But were they ??
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I went to then all
 
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covcity4life

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  • Today at 11:55 AM
  • #79
I still love the fa cup as everyone knows when I fight back about going out being a good thing etc but if someone offered me a fa cup win and 10 seasons in championship or 10 prem seasons avoiding relegation but no sikverware I would take the latter I think.

It's about the day to day relevance. Alot of people would struggle to name last year's fa cup winner let alone after 5,10 years
 
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Platnauer

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  • Today at 12:13 PM
  • #80
When we win the Championship this year, the rewards will be huge.
We will be shopping at Harrods not Woolworths then (not one for the kids!)
Still the FA Cup for me.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Today at 1:47 PM
  • #81
CovValleyBoy said:
How many City fans actually attended all of our 87 Cup matches.
There were only about 12000 at the Bolton match but more interestingly only about 4000 at the Man Utd away fixture. So only a max of 4000 could of watched the entire Cup run. Unlikely they went to all of the first 3 fixtures including the 8000 at Stoke. So I'm guessing about 2000 City fans maximum would of been at all 6 matches.
Ok it's only a guess (?)

Interests me because all City fans of a certain age claim to have been at every round in 87.

But were they ??
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I did
 
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FergieTheFinisher

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  • Today at 2:17 PM
  • #82
Calista said:
Gates were often surprisingly low in those days, sometimes 11k / 12k, but there were never any home crowds as low as you've said there.
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According to Gemini lowest league game for that season was :-

The lowest attendance for a First Division match at Highfield Road that season was 10,305.

• Match: Coventry City vs. Southampton
• Date: December 13, 1986
• Result: 1–1 (Draw)

If we include league cup:-

• Lowest Gate: 6,573 * Match: vs. Rotherham United (2nd Round, 1st Leg)
• Date: September 23, 1986
• Result: 3–2 (Win)

So I think my memory wasn’t too bad. Obviously as the cup run took shape our league home attendancies did get better as more people wanted to ensure they had sufficient ticket stubs for future cup games.
 
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Moff

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  • Today at 2:25 PM
  • #83
Platnauer said:
When we win the Championship this year, the rewards will be huge.
We will be shopping at Harrods not Woolworths then (not one for the kids!)
Still the FA Cup for me.
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I remember that quote well!
 

Moff

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  • Today at 2:26 PM
  • #84
clint van damme said:
I did
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Me too…who would have thought it after a cold day in January beating a very poor Bolton 3-0 at home.
 
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Moff

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  • Today at 2:39 PM
  • #85
I’ve loved this season, but will it have a more iconic goal than this….
 
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fatso

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  • Today at 2:46 PM
  • #86
No
 
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Today at 3:05 PM
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Calista said:
Gates were often surprisingly low in those days, sometimes 11k / 12k, but there were never any home crowds as low as you've said there.
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I recall 8000 attendance to watch Wimbledon match at Highfield Rd back in the day. We won 2-1 with a very later deflected shot looping over their keeper. It was raining cats & dogs & I reckon from the Sky Blue stand that when our last minute winner was scored there might of been about 4000+ in the ground.
I can vividly remember the remaining City fans on the kop celebrating in the rain & thinking what a pleasure it was to be still in the crowd.

Honestly one of my favourite City moments.
Obviously easily pleased.
 
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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Today at 4:35 PM
  • #88
FergieTheFinisher said:
According to Gemini lowest league game for that season was :-

The lowest attendance for a First Division match at Highfield Road that season was 10,305.

• Match: Coventry City vs. Southampton
• Date: December 13, 1986
• Result: 1–1 (Draw)

If we include league cup:-

• Lowest Gate: 6,573 * Match: vs. Rotherham United (2nd Round, 1st Leg)
• Date: September 23, 1986
• Result: 3–2 (Win)

So I think my memory wasn’t too bad. Obviously as the cup run took shape our league home attendancies did get better as more people wanted to ensure they had sufficient ticket stubs for future cup games.
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I thought our last home league game of the 86/87 was against Southampton in front of a full house, and was the game Borrows got injured in, forcing him out of the cup final.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Today at 4:40 PM
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Moff said:
I’ve loved this season, but will it have a more iconic goal than this….View attachment 50554
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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Today at 4:41 PM
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thekidfromstrettoncamp said:
Being a supporter since 1958 I have witnessed our drop into the newly formed 4th division from 3rd devision south.The rise through the divisions to Division 1(Premier) all the way back down only to climb all the way back up.So for me the rise this time after all that has been thrown at us beats the FA cup and our first journey up.
Enjoy The ride.
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Once a Sky Blues fan always a Sky Blues fan.

1959 me.
 
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Calista

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  • Today at 4:47 PM
  • #91
FergieTheFinisher said:
According to Gemini lowest league game for that season was :-

The lowest attendance for a First Division match at Highfield Road that season was 10,305.

• Match: Coventry City vs. Southampton
• Date: December 13, 1986
• Result: 1–1 (Draw)

If we include league cup:-

• Lowest Gate: 6,573 * Match: vs. Rotherham United (2nd Round, 1st Leg)
• Date: September 23, 1986
• Result: 3–2 (Win)

So I think my memory wasn’t too bad. Obviously as the cup run took shape our league home attendancies did get better as more people wanted to ensure they had sufficient ticket stubs for future cup games.
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Well I don't really know what "Gemini" is, but unless I'm going insane it's conjured up that Southampton match in December 1986 out of thin air
 
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FergieTheFinisher

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  • Today at 4:57 PM
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Calista said:
Well I don't really know what "Gemini" is, but unless I'm going insane it's conjured up that Southampton match in December 1986 out of thin air
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It’s an AI, and you’re right looking at the fixtures this game was a draw and last game of season. Apologies AI is officially shit to rely on!!!!
 
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Calista

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  • Today at 4:59 PM
  • #93
CovValleyBoy said:
I recall 8000 attendance to watch Wimbledon match at Highfield Rd back in the day. We won 2-1 with a very later deflected shot looping over their keeper. It was raining cats & dogs & I reckon from the Sky Blue stand that when our last minute winner was scored there might of been about 4000+ in the ground.
I can vividly remember the remaining City fans on the kop celebrating in the rain & thinking what a pleasure it was to be still in the crowd.

Honestly one of my favourite City moments.
Obviously easily pleased.
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Yeah there were certainly some sub-10k home league crowds in the early/mid 1980s, and I should know because I was there for all of them! But not in the season that FergieTheFinisher was referring to.
 
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Calista

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  • Today at 5:03 PM
  • #94
FergieTheFinisher said:
It’s an AI, and you’re right looking at the fixtures this game was a draw and last game of season. Apologies AI is officially shit to rely on!!!!
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It's terrifying to contemplate a future where AI will be calling the shots on matters far more important than the size of Coventry City's historic league attendances.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Today at 5:12 PM
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Calista said:
It's terrifying to contemplate a future where AI will be calling the shots on matters far more important than the size of Coventry City's historic league attendances.
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“A computer can never be held accountable. Therefore a computer should never make a management decision.”

Wise words from 1979
 
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Calista

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  • Today at 5:22 PM
  • #96
shmmeee said:
“A computer can never be held accountable. Therefore a computer should never make a management decision.”

Wise words from 1979
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Was reading somewhere that when you pitch one AI against another in a war scenario, they rapidly escalate to nuclear. God help us.

Back on topic, the FA Cup win is easily worth far more to me than whether we join the Premier League or not.
 
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mmttww

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  • Today at 5:27 PM
  • #97
Promotion wouldn't be our biggest achievement but you'd expect it'll have a bigger potential impact on the club.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Today at 5:28 PM
  • #98
Calista said:
Was reading somewhere that when you pitch one AI against another in a war scenario, they rapidly escalate to nuclear. God help us.

Back on topic, the FA Cup win is easily worth far more to me than whether we join the Premier League or not.
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There’s actually an interesting reason for that. What an LLM is actually doing is predicting the next most likely word based on training data of basically all human writing. Then it’s told to play the role of a helpful AI. That role is based on all the fiction we’ve written where generally AIs end up going made and starting nuclear war, so that’s what the system playing the role of an AI also does.
 
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Calista

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  • Today at 5:51 PM
  • #99
shmmeee said:
There’s actually an interesting reason for that. What an LLM is actually doing is predicting the next most likely word based on training data of basically all human writing. Then it’s told to play the role of a helpful AI. That role is based on all the fiction we’ve written where generally AIs end up going made and starting nuclear war, so that’s what the system playing the role of an AI also does.
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They are fed with ALL human writing? So Andy McNab, Herodotus, Delia Smith and Benito Mussolini are all given equal credence?

Edit: and Ccfcisparks
 
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Skybluedogwood

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  • Today at 7:37 PM
  • #100
I was also at the 87 FA cup final. This season is not just about promotion, the combination of going back to the prem AND buying the ground beats the FA Cup win for me as collectively opens up real opportunities for the future.
 
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Moff

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shmmeee said:
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That was very good!
 
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