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Is CCFC agreement at CBS still valid under Ashley? (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Nov 17, 2022
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Sick Boy

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #36
MalcSB said:
ACL 2006 holds and manages the head lease from CCC whilst ACL is responsible for operational management of the arena business. IEC was majority owned by ACL.

Those 3 companies went in to administration and were immediately bought by House of Fraser Group. Assets won’t be realised for distribution, HoF payment for the three companies is the totality of what is available for distribution to creditors from those 3 companies, There is no need for them to be dissolved and it would be in the new owners interest to maintain all current contracts for use of the stadium in place. But hopefully not Wasps!
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Aren’t they required to play at their previous ground?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #37
MalcSB said:
ACL 2006 holds and manages the head lease from CCC whilst ACL is responsible for operational management of the arena business. IEC was majority owned by ACL.

As I understand it, those 3 companies went in to administration and were immediately bought by House of Fraser Group. Assets won’t be realised for distribution, HoF payment for the three companies is the totality of what is available for distribution to creditors from those 3 companies, There is no need for them to be dissolved and it would be in the new owners interest to maintain all current contracts for use of the stadium in place. But hopefully not Wasps!
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Doesn't that mean the debts are also still in place if all agreements are?
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #38
Sick Boy said:
Aren’t they required to play at their previous ground?
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For 3 or 5 years...

But then they did hey fucked off to Cov with ease so what's the difference you have to ask.

It would be interesting to see if there is a president for franchising in Prem Rugby
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #39
Nick said:
Doesn't that mean the debts are also still in place if all agreements are?
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No.
 

MalcSB

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #40
Sick Boy said:
Aren’t they required to play at their previous ground?
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There is an RFU rule to that effect which seems pretty ridiculous if a club has gone bust. At the moment there isn’t really a Wasps at all.
 
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slowpoke

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  • Nov 17, 2022
  • #41
Wasps will be re-born and I’m sure play somewhere London way.
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Nov 18, 2022
  • #42
Sick Boy said:
Have CBS lost the naming rights?
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Believe not but likely to be able to review if they continue their sponsorship given change of ownership. You'd also assume ashley would want to buy them out.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 18, 2022
  • #43
Guess it depends if they paid up front of yearly. If they paid up front the money is gone.
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 18, 2022
  • #44
Nick said:
Guess it depends if they paid up front of yearly. If they paid up front the money is gone.
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The rumour was CBS had paid next to nothing. it was a face saving exercise for Wasps who had spent years saying they were lining up a new sponsor, even engaging a third party to sell the naming rights, but couldn't get a deal in place.

If that's true would be interesting to know if there's any get out for a new owner or will surely even want to maximise the return or promote their own brands.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Nov 18, 2022
  • #45
chiefdave said:
The rumour was CBS had paid next to nothing. it was a face saving exercise for Wasps who had spent years saying they were lining up a new sponsor, even engaging a third party to sell the naming rights, but couldn't get a deal in place.

If that's true would be interesting to know if there's any get out for a new owner or will surely even want to maximise the return or promote their own brands.
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And CCFC had to be back at the arena if there was to be any sponsorship of the ground.
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Nov 18, 2022
  • #46
Sick Boy said:
Have CBS lost the naming rights?
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I bet it’ll be the Flannels.com arena before long.
 

SW-Sky Blues

Member
  • Nov 18, 2022
  • #47
It's Mike Ashley. Unfortunately for us with him anything is possible. This is the guy that had no problem renaming St James Park and treated his Sports Direct staff like animals. 80% of their workforce are on Zero hour contracts.

Ultimately it all depends on what is in the actual lease contract. Which none of us actually know.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 18, 2022
  • #48
CCFC54321 said:
I bet it’ll be the Flannels.com arena before long.
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Massive Stone Island badge on the roof.
 
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Macca1987

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  • Nov 18, 2022
  • #49
Nick said:
Massive Stone Island badge on the roof.
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That'll work for all the 14 to 16 blockers
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Nov 18, 2022
  • #50
Nick said:
Massive Stone Island badge on the roof.
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Millwall will love it when we play them at home then…
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Nov 18, 2022
  • #51
chiefdave said:
The rumour was CBS had paid next to nothing. it was a face saving exercise for Wasps who had spent years saying they were lining up a new sponsor, even engaging a third party to sell the naming rights, but couldn't get a deal in place.

If that's true would be interesting to know if there's any get out for a new owner or will surely even want to maximise the return or promote their own brands.
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I think that CBS certainly got a good deal. There will be an element of is the Ashley group someone they want to be associated with anyway. Think only time will tell on that front.
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 18, 2022
  • #52
The lease was novated to a Newco which included CCFC as tenant

The papers were all prepared ready to go yesterday
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 18, 2022
  • #53
oldfiver said:
The lease was novated to a Newco which included CCFC as tenant

The papers were all prepared ready to go yesterday
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So that would have needed CCFC and CCC's permission?
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 18, 2022
  • #54
Nick said:
So that would have needed CCFC and CCC's permission?
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Not necessarily CCFC they just travel with the lease

CCC had documents in place
 
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rexo87

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 18, 2022
  • #55
oldfiver said:
The lease was novated to a Newco which included CCFC as tenant

The papers were all prepared ready to go yesterday
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So this secures our tenancy at the same rate for 8 years? Or am I being stupid

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oldfiver

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  • Nov 18, 2022
  • #56
rexo87 said:
So this secures our tenancy at the same rate for 8 years? Or am I being stupid

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The lease terms remain
 
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Covskyblue

Active Member
  • Dec 5, 2022
  • #57
I feel partly responsible for asking the question now ...
 
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