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I really wouldn't be bothered. Bonus points if there is footage on liveleak.
Can't be certain but I'm pretty sure if Dominic Raab was in France and Iran flew a drone in and assasinated him posters on this thread wouldn't be happy.
Can't be certain but I'm pretty sure if Dominic Raab was in France and Iran flew a drone in and assasinated him posters on this thread wouldn't be happy.
I'd just assume the French were behind itCan't be certain but I'm pretty sure if Dominic Raab was in France and Iran flew a drone in and assasinated him posters on this thread wouldn't be happy.
There’s some very strange people out there!So a stampede at the funeral has killed more people than the missile?
I would hope so, but given some of the responses it seems some wouldn't give a shit.Can't be certain but I'm pretty sure if Dominic Raab was in France and Iran flew a drone in and assasinated him posters on this thread wouldn't be happy.
I can't show you a positive post. I think US foreign policy is horrendous.
Doesn't make me anti American. Be a bit strange if I was the amount of times I've holidays there!
Every nation wishes to protect its interests in every other part of the world. The only difference is that the US has the means to do so...why do you begrudge them that? This General would likely have had Israel wiped from the map if he had the means.
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But if this assassination increases Iranian influence in Iraq it could just have moved Iranian missiles that much closer to Israel.Every nation wishes to protect its interests in every other part of the world. The only difference is that the US has the means to do so...why do you begrudge them that? This General would likely have had Israel wiped from the map if he had the means.
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Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia. Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan. History repeating. The west will abandon Iraq and Afghanistan and Iran will try and fill the void much as Vietnam tried to following the collapse of French Indochina and the West abandoning it following the US’ hastily retreating from Ho Chi Minh city. Same shit, different location, same mistakes. I suspect a Iran will be more successful though. They already clearly have a foothold of support in Iraq.
I Israel (the only Christian country in the region)
As I say, it’s something I can’t even try to fully understand and whilst I do question the timing of the Trumps actions, some of the responses on here are over simplistic* to say the least.
None takenIts difficult to disagree with arguments against America’s foreign policy (other than obviously helping pull us/Europe out the shit !) but you can’t lump all those wars in together Tony.
The Middle East is a mess and an area, I for one, would prefer to steer well clear of. It is such a complex situation/region that goes well above my knowledge and understanding. What may have started off as US/West trying to protect oil supplies etc is now something very different....for example Iran saying they’d like to wipe Israel (the only Christian country in the region) off the face of the earth, actively supporting terrorism etc etc. You then get stuck into a position of almost wanting to avoid getting involved because of past mistakes (some of which may have caused/led to the current situation you find yourselves in).
As I say, it’s something I can’t even try to fully understand and whilst I do question the timing of the Trumps actions, some of the responses on here are over simplistic* to say the least.
*no offence intended
I think this is technically anti-Semitism under IHRA
Every nation wishes to protect its interests in every other part of the world. The only difference is that the US has the means to do so...why do you begrudge them that? This General would likely have had Israel wiped from the map if he had the means.
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Laos is the most bombed country in the world to have never been involved in a war.Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia. Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan. History repeating. The west will abandon Iraq and Afghanistan and Iran will try and fill the void much as Vietnam tried to following the collapse of French Indochina and the West abandoning it following the US’ hastily retreating from Ho Chi Minh city. Same shit, different location, same mistakes. I suspect a Iran will be more successful though. They already clearly have a foothold of support in Iraq.
Although I fully appreciate this sentiment I have been lucky to travel to a fair few countries in the Middle East and it is such a diverse and interesting region with some amazing things to see and do and some wonderful people so I wouldn’t just write it completely off and Beirut is still one of the very best cities I have ever visited!!!Its difficult to disagree with arguments against America’s foreign policy (other than obviously helping pull us/Europe out the shit !) but you can’t lump all those wars in together Tony.
The Middle East is a mess and an area, I for one, would prefer to steer well clear of. It is such a complex situation/region that goes well above my knowledge and understanding. What may have started off as US/West trying to protect oil supplies etc is now something very different....for example Iran saying they’d like to wipe Israel (the only non Muslim country in the region) off the face of the earth, actively supporting terrorism etc etc. You then get stuck into a position of almost wanting to avoid getting involved because of past mistakes (some of which may have caused/led to the current situation you find yourselves in).
As I say, it’s something I can’t even try to fully understand and whilst I do question the timing of the Trumps actions, some of the responses on here are over simplistic* to say the least.
*no offence intended
Although I fully appreciate this sentiment I have been lucky to travel to a fair few countries in the Middle East and it is such a diverse and interesting region with some amazing things to see and do and some wonderful people so I wouldn’t just write it completely off and Beirut is still one of the very best cities I have ever visited!!!
Saying that, this doesn’t apply to Kuwait which is just a soulless sandy shithole.
Ah ok I understand and I completely agree with your first paragraph.I probably wasn’t clear LG, I wasnt saying write it off, more that I would (personally) prefer to us steer clear from intervention where possible as it’s such a complex situation - as has been proved in the past with the West supporting/funding groups that ultimately turn out to be more dangerous that those they were fighting against.
That being said, because of those same complex issues (many of which I and I presume most wont fully understand) I don’t necessarily agree with those that automatically point the finger at the US/West when intervention was considered appropriate.
Oil for youI think their foreign policy has been disastrous for years.
From the middle east now right back to Vietnam. They have overturned numerous democracies which is strange seen as democracy is something they constantly bang the drum for.
They have financed some really horrible bastards throughout the world, (and then fell out with most of them), causing more war and carnage.
If you think their foreign policy has only been about defending themselves you haven't been paying attention. Look at the history of Iran and Iraq as a prime examples.
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Some of the Iraqi native population didn't want the Iranians there - but they don't get heard so wellWhat if natives don't want them there?
There’s also the legacy of Agent Orange and other chemicals used in Vietnam and Laos. I was reading an article last year on it and there’s now grandchildren and great grandchildren being born with numerous birth defects directly attributed to the use of agent orange during the Vietnam war. Not just people from Vietnam and Laos either. The same trends are being witnessed in America in the children, grandchildren and great grandchildren of American veterans who were exposed to it and exposed to it on a much smaller scale than the population of Vietnam and Laos.Laos is the most bombed country in the world to have never been involved in a war.
The US’ actions are still causing carnage today with many people, including children, being killed or losing limbs either by standing on unexploded ordinance or when actively seeking the bombs in order to cash them in for scrap metal.
Visited one of the NGO’s assisting with this whilst I was there and do you know who is investing the most money and resource in helping them? Canada. I’m sure you can guess who is investing next to nothing......
Iran are walking on thin ice with the USA, last night could really escalate things
I think Tisza might be right. Iran can say we've struck back, the Yanks can take it on the chin and play it down and it's back to business as usual, which is Iran and Saudi/Israel trying to fuck each other over with a whole host of other countries stuck in the middle.
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