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Nick

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  • Dec 19, 2016
  • #1,401
rondog1973 said:
Vincelot requested a move upon seeing the budget and deciding the clubs ambitions didn't match his.
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did he? Where's that been said, has he mentioned it on social media etc?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 19, 2016
  • #1,402
rondog1973 said:
Vincelot requested a move upon seeing the budget and deciding the clubs ambitions didn't match his.
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When did he tell you that? Makes a change from TM was told to sell him I guess.
 

rondog1973

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 19, 2016
  • #1,403
torchomatic said:
When did he tell you that? Makes a change from TM was told to sell him I guess.
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Was only told recently. By an impeccable source however. A friend of mine is an In law of Greg Abbott who orchestrated the move. The fee? £25k.....
 
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Joy Division

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 19, 2016
  • #1,404
I wonder if this is the same group of people who were very close to taking over this time last season, only for SISU to pull the plug at the last minute when they saw a chance of promotion.
 
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ccfchoi87

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  • Dec 19, 2016
  • #1,405
rondog1973 said:
Was only told recently. By an impeccable source however. A friend of mine is an In law of Greg Abbott who orchestrated the move. The fee? £25k.....
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I was told the same by a similar source, they also told me Bradford were aware vincelot was trying to leave and knew they could get him for very little
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 19, 2016
  • #1,406
rondog1973 said:
Vincelot requested a move upon seeing the budget and deciding the clubs ambitions didn't match his.
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sounds like the same as Hasselbaink........ and we don't know how many others whose agents also took a similar view, which may explain our awful recruitment in the summer....
 
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rupert_bear

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 19, 2016
  • #1,407
Joy Division said:
I wonder if this is the same group of people who were very close to taking over this time last season, only for SISU to pull the plug at the last minute when they saw a chance of promotion.
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When was that then ?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 19, 2016
  • #1,408
martcov said:
sounds like the same as Hasselbaink........ and we don't know how many others whose agents also took a similar view, which may explain our awful recruitment in the summer....
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Ah, so it's a fact now then? Some bloke with a "source" says it's true, so there you go.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 19, 2016
  • #1,409
the rumpo kid said:
thought you were in the "we've got a top six budget and its all mowbreys fault " camp
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Size of budget again matters not a jot.

What does matter to Fisher, however, is his constant argument that revenues beyond match day earnings are vital. It's the central theme for all his arguments.

Therefore he would be at pains to point out the revenue gained through match day receipts is not the main part of the story and the club is hampered by ability to earn elsewhere.

This is more relevant in leagues above. In this league less so and turnover in excess of £5 million is not always the norm.

Let's start at the top, Scunthorpe United - turnover £2.6 million so budget - higher or lower?

I'm going lower.
 

rondog1973

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 19, 2016
  • #1,410
torchomatic said:
Ah, so it's a fact now then? Some bloke with a "source" says it's true, so there you go.
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Eh? Some bloke with a source?!

I'll have you know it was me who broke the news on this forum that we were returning to the Ricoh on a 4 year deal (looks like we're home thread).

Saucy git.....
 
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Otis

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  • Dec 19, 2016
  • #1,411
rondog1973 said:
Eh? Some bloke with a source?!

I'll have you know it was me who broke the news on this forum that we were returning to the Ricoh on a 4 year deal (looks like we're home thread).

Saucy git.....
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Can he confirm or deny the rumour that Wasps are interested in buying the Ricoh and setting up home here?
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 19, 2016
  • #1,412
Vincelots career shows he is only interested in clubs that have ambition.
 

st john

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  • Dec 19, 2016
  • #1,413
martcov said:
sounds like the same as Hasselbaink........ and we don't know how many others whose agents also took a similar view, which may explain our awful recruitment in the summer....
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That doesn't really tally with TMs decision to go for higher level players, he would have known the budget
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 19, 2016
  • #1,414
st john said:
That doesn't really tally with TMs decision to go for higher level players, he would have known the budget
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Yes, he knew it, but what did the players think if they knew the ambitions of other clubs? I don't know who knew what, but if Vincelot or his agent knew something, then others may have.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 19, 2016
  • #1,415
martcov said:
Yes, he knew it, but what did the players think if they knew the ambitions of other clubs? I don't know who knew what, but if Vincelot or his agent knew something, then others may have.
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He said he offered players contracts which they accepted, one was even in a training kit, then heard that Championship clubs had offered more and off they went. Whether that kind of thing made Vincelot think twice about playing for us, who knows?
 
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Calista

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 19, 2016
  • #1,416
Grendel said:
Size of budget again matters not a jot.

What does matter to Fisher, however, is his constant argument that revenues beyond match day earnings are vital. It's the central theme for all his arguments.

Therefore he would be at pains to point out the revenue gained through match day receipts is not the main part of the story and the club is hampered by ability to earn elsewhere.

This is more relevant in leagues above. In this league less so and turnover in excess of £5 million is not always the norm.

Let's start at the top, Scunthorpe United - turnover £2.6 million so budget - higher or lower?

I'm going lower.
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So what you are saying is that the money CCFC have available for the playing side is actually higher than Fisher claims. He understates it to boost his case that we have to own a stadium. Is that it?

It’s a genuine question – I’m finding it hard to follow your argument when you keep releasing it in the form of teasing questions
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,417
Grendel said:
Size of budget again matters not a jot.

What does matter to Fisher, however, is his constant argument that revenues beyond match day earnings are vital. It's the central theme for all his arguments.

Therefore he would be at pains to point out the revenue gained through match day receipts is not the main part of the story and the club is hampered by ability to earn elsewhere.

This is more relevant in leagues above. In this league less so and turnover in excess of £5 million is not always the norm.

Let's start at the top, Scunthorpe United - turnover £2.6 million so budget - higher or lower?

I'm going lower.
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Budget last year was 3M. This year's budget was reported on Talksport to be 6M, but haven't seen that confirmed. Chairman is looking for championship status to tie in with new stadium developments. Graham Alexander gets to be on the right side of things again after Fleetwood having adopted the NOPM/U-23s only SISU model.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,418
dubed said:
Budget last year was 3M. This year's budget was reported on Talksport to be 6M, but haven't seen that confirmed. Chairman is looking for championship status to tie in with new stadium developments. Graham Alexander gets to be on the right side of things again after Fleetwood having adopted the NOPM/U-23s only SISU model.
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This years budget was said by Tim Fisher to be between £2M and £3M.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,419
dubed said:
Budget last year was 3M. This year's budget was reported on Talksport to be 6M, but haven't seen that confirmed. Chairman is looking for championship status to tie in with new stadium developments. Graham Alexander gets to be on the right side of things again after Fleetwood having adopted the NOPM/U-23s only SISU model.
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Where has the extra 3m gone? They signed 2 loans, 3 freebies and 1 from Lincoln.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,420
So last season TM failed because we apparently had a top six budget. Now we have a bottom half of the table budget the budget is irrelevant. Can't make this up. Well actually, apparently you can.
 
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Otis

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  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,421
skybluetony176 said:
So last season TM failed because we apparently had a top six budget. Now we have a bottom half of the table budget the budget is irrelevant. Can't make this up. Well actually, apparently you can.
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The 'goalposts when suits' keep moving.
 
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AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,422
Otis said:
The 'goalposts when suits' keep moving.
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That's what Andre Wright says every time he shoots....
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,423
Calista said:
So what you are saying is that the money CCFC have available for the playing side is actually higher than Fisher claims. He understates it to boost his case that we have to own a stadium. Is that it?

It’s a genuine question – I’m finding it hard to follow your argument when you keep releasing it in the form of teasing questions
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No I'm not but when you look at the total revenues for most clubs in the league they are actually not very high at all.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,424
skybluetony176 said:
So last season TM failed because we apparently had a top six budget. Now we have a bottom half of the table budget the budget is irrelevant. Can't make this up. Well actually, apparently you can.
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Some people get the point. If it's beyond you then fair enough.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,425
Grendel said:
Some people get the point. If it's beyond you then fair enough.
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I get the point. You're full of shit and you don't care what colour shit you're slinging so long as its the right colour shit to suit your given "argument" at a particular given time. You'll happily use the full spectrum on the same point even though they're contradictory colours.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,426
Calista said:
Mr. Grendel, I haven’t done my homework properly so I don’t know what you mean. Speaking as one of the thickos at the back of the class, it would be great if you could just tell me the answer. And put a gold star in my exercise book. Then we’ll both feel good.
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I guess he's not going to get to the point for you either. It's almost as if he never had a point to make in the first place.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,427
skybluetony176 said:
I get the point. You're full of shit and you don't care what colour shit you're slinging so long as its the right colour shit to suit your given "argument" at a particular given time. You'll happily use the full spectrum on the same point even though they're contradictory colours.
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When will you realise Grendel is the Trump of this board? He just says whatever and when called on it just moves onto the next outrageous thing.

Expecting a reasoned argument from him or consistently of belief is like expecting your toddler to play chess properly.
 
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Gosford Green

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  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,428
rondog1973 said:
Vincelot requested a move upon seeing the budget and deciding the clubs ambitions didn't match his.
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Mowbray's bullshit about selling Vincelot to strengthen the squad was was the beginning of his end at CCFC.
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,429
skybluetony176 said:
I get the point. You're full of shit and you don't care what colour shit you're slinging so long as its the right colour shit to suit your given "argument" at a particular given time. You'll happily use the full spectrum on the same point even though they're contradictory colours.
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At least OSB acknowledged the point on budgets
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,430
shmmeee said:
When will you realise Grendel is the Trump of this board? He just says whatever and when called on it just moves onto the next outrageous thing.

Expecting a reasoned argument from him or consistently of belief is like expecting your toddler to play chess properly.
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At least you attracted likes from two people who another poster described as the two lunatic fringe members of this forum.

Somewhat ironic wouldn't you say?
 

mrtrench

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,431
Grendel said:
This is more relevant in leagues above. In this league less so and turnover in excess of £5 million is not always the norm.

Let's start at the top, Scunthorpe United - turnover £2.6 million so budget - higher or lower?

I'm going lower.
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Scunthorpe made a loss of £3,179,015 in 2014/15 and a loss of £2m the year before. I'm going higher.
 
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Sky Blue Kid

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  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,432
Grendel said:
At least OSB acknowledged the point on budgets
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Has he acknowledged any of your other points?
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,433
dubed said:
Budget last year was 3M. This year's budget was reported on Talksport to be 6M, but haven't seen that confirmed. Chairman is looking for championship status to tie in with new stadium developments. Graham Alexander gets to be on the right side of things again after Fleetwood having adopted the NOPM/U-23s only SISU model.
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Highly unlikely

The club has one operating loan of £2 million from what I can see. It would have to have had a cash injection of circa £10 million to get that level of budget.

Furthermore they have signed 5 players only for this season - one ome, from Lincoln for a fee.
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,434
Grendel said:
At least you attracted likes from two people who another poster described as the two lunatic fringe members of this forum.

Somewhat ironic wouldn't you say?
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Would that be the poster who lives in the padded cell on the other side of yours?
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 20, 2016
  • #1,435
Sky Blue Kid said:
Has he acknowledged any of your other points?
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The point being argued is on budgets. Tony thinks we are full of shit on that one.
 
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